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Two dead and one wounded in Kenosha shootings during Jacob Blake protests

SkyFox76 said:
He had a plastic bag thrown at him.

This was a 17 year old kid who had zero business being in Kenosha and thought he was playing with the big dogs on the porch. Then like a fool he wandered off the porch and got chased by a guy carrying a plastic bag which was then thrown at him. And the bag hits the ground. No ball of flames should be the first clue that this wasn't a molotov.
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That’s a lot of fire for a “plastic bag” to generate.
 
uptower said:
Even if the protests are peaceful daytime affairs I have no doubt the 'militias' - Zero Percenters, Oathbreakers, Buggeryou Boys and Half-Minutemen - will turn up with their sloppy dad-bods wrapped head to toe in GI Joe cosplay with automatic rifles to intimidate people. It's baked into the cake.

I mean did you see that chubby little turd waddling breathlessly to the cops to turn himself in? What a sad sack.

But perhaps we can agree it's less likely to lead to random shootings.
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Thank Trump for all this.
 
uptower said:
Same crap as Zimmerman. Dude looks for a fight, gets his ass beat and kills someone in revenge?
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This is quite different. Zimmerman instigated and chased Travon down. This kid was approached and retreated.
 
SkyFox76 said:
:doh You can see the bag over the mans shoulder as he's throwing it. The exact same bag he's carrying earlier. Please tell me how bottles lay out flat on the pavement after being thrown.
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Plastic bags do not fall in the manner seen in the video. Try it. GO get yourself a plastic bag and throw it, and time how long it takes to fall to the ground and how far you can throw it.
 
Napoleon said:
This is quite different. Zimmerman instigated and chased Travon down. This kid was approached and retreated.
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Nah, he went looking for a fight. Yes he retreated after that, but he shouldn't have gone down there with a loaded weapon looking for a confrontation.
 
uptower said:
Even if the protests are peaceful daytime affairs I have no doubt the 'militias' - Zero Percenters, Oathbreakers, Buggeryou Boys and Half-Minutemen - will turn up with their sloppy dad-bods wrapped head to toe in GI Joe cosplay with automatic rifles to intimidate people. It's baked into the cake.

I mean did you see that chubby little turd waddling breathlessly to the cops to turn himself in? What a sad sack.

But perhaps we can agree it's less likely to lead to random shootings.
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If those groups you named were a real threat they would have shown up months ago. The responsibility lies on the heads of these violent 'protesters' and eventually there would be a violent response.
 
uptower said:
Nah, he went looking for a fight. Yes he retreated after that, but he shouldn't have gone down there with a loaded weapon looking for a confrontation.
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Really? And what were the armed protestors who confronted him looking for? He did the right thing. The violent protestors did not.
 
uptower said:
Nah, he went looking for a fight. Yes he retreated after that, but he shouldn't have gone down there with a loaded weapon looking for a confrontation.
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Seems there were several others also looking for a confrontation. Two of them are dead.
 
Gondwanaland said:
The fire is quite clear in the video as it arcs through the air, bud.
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Um yeah it's not if you slow the video down frame by frame. What you see is the overhead lights reflecting off the bag and then it hits the ground. Absolutely no flame. Here it is in the video with the shooter in the background before he runs away.

bag 5.webp
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
Seems there were several others also looking for a confrontation. Two of them are dead.
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And that outcome might please some here. But they weren't armed, he was, and he went looking to hurt someone and now someone's dead.

If it's any consolation the fact that it was a scuffle and that he's a juvenile means he'll likely get off comparatively easy. We all know the idea of "Adult crime, adult time", where it exists, is applied less rigorously to white boys.
 
Gondwanaland said:
Plastic bags do not fall in the manner seen in the video. Try it. GO get yourself a plastic bag and throw it, and time how long it takes to fall to the ground and how far you can throw it.
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:lamo Seriously? Look at the photo where the victim is holding the bag in his hand. He's got something in the bag and if you slow the video down frame by frame you'll see it does exactly what a bag would do with something like a shirt or something inside. But you want people to think a bottle thrown (that's already on fire) would just suddenly extinguish itself when it contacts the ground.
 
uptower said:
And that outcome might please some here. But they weren't armed, he was, and he went looking to hurt someone and now someone's dead.

If it's any consolation the fact that it was a scuffle and that he's a juvenile means he'll likely get off comparatively easy. We all know the idea of "Adult crime, adult time", where it exists, is applied less rigorously to white boys.
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I doubt anyone is happy with their deaths but many, like myself, have been predicting this. It was inevitable and, if the rioting. assaults, looting and arson continues, there will be more. It's not hard to figure out.

I'm not interested in a person's skin color.
 
Napoleon said:
You didn’t watch the video did you?
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This is taken from the video that I've watched multiple times. But let's stick to your point of a lot of fire. Show me the fire when he has his arm back. Show me the fire when the object hits the ground. Show me the fire when you can see the object laying there on the pavement as the shooter circles back around to where the victim is being helped.
 
PirateMk1 said:
The reason those people are showing up armed to defend their property is because the government abdicated their responsibility to defend these peoples livelihoods. Bottom line if the authorities were doing their job their would not be any people trying to defend their property from destruction.
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How about if the police stop abusing black people, then there would not be any riots in the first place
 
Here I'll even save you guys the trouble of slowing the video down yourselves.

26 second mark bag is on the ground with the shooter in the distance.

2:14 the killer is walking toward the police who are telling him not to approach and he tells them "I work at that business"

2:41 police offer water and tells the militia group: we appreciate you guys we really do"

2:45 This guy does a frame by frame of the object thrown

https://twitter.com/anoncatanoncat/status/1298653576265433088
 
Citizen said:
How about if the police stop abusing black people, then there would not be any riots in the first place
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If the "peaceful protesters" decide to riot they should expect that people will decide to react forcefully.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If the "peaceful protesters" decide to riot they should expect that people will decide to react forcefully.
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If police decided to shoot unarmed black people then they can expect riots
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
Perhaps people of all colors should stop when the people tell them to.
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Perhaps cops should figure out disobeying an order does not carry the penalty of a death sentence. Cite them, arrest them. But being cop, judge, jury and executioner is not what they are on the streets for. Period.
 
SkyFox76 said:
:doh You can see the bag over the mans shoulder as he's throwing it. The exact same bag he's carrying earlier. Please tell me how bottles lay out flat on the pavement after being thrown.
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It was the ever dangerous ‘Molotov plastic bag’.
 
Pound4abrown said:
Perhaps cops should figure out disobeying an order does not carry the penalty of a death sentence. Cite them, arrest them. But being cop, judge, jury and executioner is not what they are on the streets for. Period.
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You make your choice and you take your chances. I strongly suggest you stop if the police tell you to.
 
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