Two completely different realities

[kidkaos2]

The current potus, and GOP standard bearer, has endorsed QAnon, praised Nazis as fine people, and declared American Jews as disloyal for not supporting him and Israel (Putting aside the anti-semitism, how dumb is it to argue that the only way you can prove you’re loyal to your country is by supporting a foreign country?).

But the problem is that there are people who want universal healthcare for all Americans.

This is the reality gap.

PS: Same group that keeps saying “racist” has lost it’s power due to overuse throw “socialist” at any program that buys food instead of a bullet.

The reality gap is saying that Trump never said neo-Nazis were fine people. He in fact did the opposite, and *specifically excluded* the neo-Nazis from his comment about fine people being on both sides.

And as for your comments in your other post about getting rid of the electoral college forcing the GOP to create a platform that appealed to more people, the electoral college is there specifically to prevent the people in the few largest cities from dictating policy for the entire rest of the nation. The electoral college is thus the only thing that requires the parties to do what you're saying its elimination would force the GOP to do. You have it exactly backwards.

 

[TheParser]

I can't understand how anybody can vote for a party that condones political violence.

Me, too!

But the polls indicate that the Biden-Harris ticket will win in two months.

This is surely the first time in American history that a mainstream American political party has ever supported or abetted street violence by howling and vicious mobs.

That this same party will soon be running the United States of America is terrifying.

Many countries have been destroyed from within. It is probable that this country will eventually join that list.

 

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The current potus, and GOP standard bearer, has endorsed QAnon, praised Nazis as fine people, .....

The reality gap is saying that Trump never said neo-Nazis were fine people. He in fact did the opposite, and *specifically excluded* the neo-Nazis from his comment about fine people being on both sides.

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Posting this a second time in the same thread, posting it until the nonsense stops....

Oh, stop! Just stop!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...o-were-they-2/

Fact Checker Analysis
The ‘very fine people’ at Charlottesville: Who were they?
By Glenn Kessler
May 8, 2020


“You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group … There were people in that rally — and I looked the night before — if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people — neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest.”

— President Trump, Aug. 15, 2017

“I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general.”

— Trump, April 26, 2019

..But there were only neo-Nazis and white supremacists in the Friday night rally. Virtually anyone watching cable news coverage or looking at the pictures of the event would know that.

It’s possible Trump became confused and was really referring to the Saturday rallies. But he asserted there were people who were not alt-right who were “very quietly” protesting the removal of Lee’s statue.

But that’s wrong. There were white supremacists. There were counterprotesters. And there were heavily armed anti-government militias who showed up on Saturday. “Although Virginia is an open-carry state, the presence of the militia was unnerving to law enforcement officials on the scene,” The Post reported.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...line_manual_31

..Two revealing Facebook videos posted by the group have been deleted but were obtained by The Fact Checker. One, titled “The Truth about Charlottesville,” was posted on Aug. 12, immediately after law enforcement shut down the rally. It lasts about 25 minutes, and it is mostly narrated by Joshua Shoaff, also known as Ace Baker, the leader of AWR. Members of other militia groups also speak in the video.

There’s no suggestion the militias traveled to Charlottesville because of the Lee statue, though late in the video a couple of militia members make brief references to the Confederate flag and Confederate monuments. (The 207-page independent review commissioned by Charlottesville also makes no mention of peaceful pro-statue demonstrators.)..

..In recent weeks, Trump has echoed the language he used regarding the Charlottesville attendees to encourage protests against social distancing orders. “These are very good people, but they are angry,” Trump tweeted on May 1. In other tweets, he urged governors to “liberate” states.

That’s the language of militias, McCord said — code for liberation from a tyrannical government. And who has been showing up at the rallies opposing shutdown orders? Armed militias associated with the Patriot movement.

The White House did not respond to a request for a comment on our findings.
The Pinocchio Test

The evidence shows there were no quiet protesters against removing the statue that weekend. That’s just a figment of the president’s imagination. The militia groups were not spurred on by the Confederate statue controversy. They arrived in Charlottesville heavily armed and, by their own account, were prepared to use deadly force — because of a desire to insert themselves in a dangerous situation that, in effect, pitted them against the foes of white supremacists.

Trump earns Four Pinocchios.
Four Pinocchios

Talk page link:
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[Luther]

Me, too!

But the polls indicate that the Biden-Harris ticket will win in two months.

This is surely the first time in American history that a mainstream American political party has ever supported or abetted street violence by howling and vicious mobs.

That this same party will soon be running the United States of America is terrifying.

Many countries have been destroyed from within. It is probable that this country will eventually join that list.

Many countries have been destroyed from within. It is probable that this country will eventually join that list.

Yes, that was happening before BLM

 

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The reality gap is saying that Trump never said neo-Nazis were fine people. He in fact did the opposite, and *specifically excluded* the neo-Nazis from his comment about fine people being on both sides.

And as for your comments in your other post about getting rid of the electoral college forcing the GOP to create a platform that appealed to more people, the electoral college is there specifically to prevent the people in the few largest cities from dictating policy for the entire rest of the nation. The electoral college is thus the only thing that requires the parties to do what you're saying its elimination would force the GOP to do. You have it exactly backwards.

You've got eight posts under your belt and you're giving me the creeps. You omitted quite a bit to make your point, quite a lot.

Talkemagogue - Wikipedia Specifically about Donald Trump

[h=2]Electoral College Was Created to Stop Demagogues Like ...[/h]Electoral College Was Created to Stop Demagogues Like Trump | Time

The fact is that the Electoral College was primarily designed to stop a demagogue—a tyrannical mass leader who preys on our prejudices—from becoming President. Consider what Alexander Hamilton ...


[h=2]Letter: Hamilton made heroic effort to give a voice to the ...[/h]https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/ma...cle_7efcc84f-3a57-54ad-918a-22a376cf91f3.html

Regarding Kevin McDermott's column "Hamilton's failed firewall" (July 12): What Hamilton said about the Electoral College was "if the manner of it be not perfect it is at least excellent.
....The Founding Fathers were trying to prevent a demagogue “that appeals to the worst impulses of the majority” from being elected. “Demagogue” is mentioned several times in the Federalist Papers. A demagogue is an unfit president who McDermott references throughout his column, but an unfit president is not necessarily a demagogue.

The founders also wanted to give small states more sway in the election. The Electoral College duplicates the House and Senate arrangement giving disproportionate effect to less populous states. I’m not arguing the merits for or against the Electoral College; I’m just trying to present the facts."

 

[Aunt Antifa]

The reality gap is saying that Trump never said neo-Nazis were fine people. He in fact did the opposite, and *specifically excluded* the neo-Nazis from his comment about fine people being on both sides.

And as for your comments in your other post about getting rid of the electoral college forcing the GOP to create a platform that appealed to more people, the electoral college is there specifically to prevent the people in the few largest cities from dictating policy for the entire rest of the nation. The electoral college is thus the only thing that requires the parties to do what you're saying its elimination would force the GOP to do. You have it exactly backwards.

Trump never explained who the other fine people were that attended "Unite the right". I'm not a Trump voter, just because he declared if doesn't mean it's true. It's almost always not.

The argument from conservatives regarding the EC makes no sense. Once you remove the EC, you are getting ride or states as voting blocks. So I dunno why you keep saying CA yada yada will control the presidency.

And if you're right? Too bad. Run normal non lunatics you don't have to pretend didn't praise Nazis when we all saw the video. It's not the country's problem the GOP is determined to be a minority party without ceding power.

 

[HIP56948]

Nice speech. Just how do caring and empathetic leaders make the country better?
By giving $h!t away or by giving workers opportunities to make more money to support themselves and their families?
How does empathy translate into helping people?
I don't suffer from wealth envy. Apparently, you do.
Do you have an aversion to working hard for what you want in life
I don't care if our leaders care for me. I just want them to get out of the way and let me take advantage of opportunities this country have to offer.
What else is important?

Here's the bottom line to my reality> As you probably know from my "About" on this forum, I'm an Australian citizen. (And an American citizen) The minimum wage workers in Australia make $19.84 which equates to 14-15 dollars here,,depending on the day. The Take home after taxes is around 9 bucks. That's after paid health care, Dental care, Eye care, Schooling and much more.
Keep in mind that most Australians make more than that. Does Australia have problems? God Yes! Australian 14 year old work for less...unless they bargain for more. But still the person that works at McDonalds doesn't have to worry about doctor bills, Eye glasses, their teeth falling out and again..much more. We Americans work for Slave money and then have to pay outrageous costs in our everyday life. I'm retired so I don't suffer at all but it pains me to see such broke, miserable, unhappy people here. In Short: Americans are getting screwed and they just-don't-know-it. This richest country in the world is sorely lacking in giving their citizens a fair-shake in life. Why do I live here most of the time?. Friends that I dearly love...and I'm not one of the slaves. Believe me, I thank my lucky stars every day. Again: Americans deserve much better from their politicians/puppet masters.

 

[Luce]

Nope; nothing like it.

Sounds exactly like it. Sounds like you're employing a double standard.

 

[jaypatriot]

Here's the bottom line to my reality> As you probably know from my "About" on this forum, I'm an Australian citizen. (And an American citizen) The minimum wage workers in Australia make $19.84 which equates to 14-15 dollars here,,depending on the day. The Take home after taxes is around 9 bucks. That's after paid health care, Dental care, Eye care, Schooling and much more.
Keep in mind that most Australians make more than that. Does Australia have problems? God Yes! Australian 14 year old work for less...unless they bargain for more. But still the person that works at McDonalds doesn't have to worry about doctor bills, Eye glasses, their teeth falling out and again..much more. We Americans work for Slave money and then have to pay outrageous costs in our everyday life. I'm retired so I don't suffer at all but it pains me to see such broke, miserable, unhappy people here. In Short: Americans are getting screwed and they just-don't-know-it. This richest country in the world is sorely lacking in giving their citizens a fair-shake in life. Why do I live here most of the time?. Friends that I dearly love...and I'm not one of the slaves. Believe me, I thank my lucky stars every day. Again: Americans deserve much better from their politicians/puppet masters.

Well, thank you for feeling sorry for all of us - plus the millions upon million of foreigners who dream and work hard to get into this country. You're a lucky person and you appear to show genuine empathy for poor people.
You would be a perfect bleeding-heart Liberal in this country like AOC and crazy Bernie.
Every country has problems. But this country was in pretty fine shape in March with the economy humming along and unemployment really low. And that was not because of Obama or anything crazy Pelosi was doing. The growing economy was under Trump - as big of an a$$hole as he really is.
People want that back. They want our country strong. Even Australia wants our country strong to counter what China is doing over there. So go ahead and feel sorry for some poor Americans who want to enjoy the economic freedoms of this country.
If it makes you feel better.

 

[Puigb]

What I know is that we need less government and more economic opportunities which is what Trump was giving everyone right up until March of this year.
That is what I want to go back to.

And I still have no idea what you mean by a majority living under minority rule.
Is that a new BLM slogan?

Less government? If you wanted that, you wouldn't be voting Republican.

 

[HIP56948]

Well, thank you for feeling sorry for all of us - plus the millions upon million of foreigners who dream and work hard to get into this country. You're a lucky person and you appear to show genuine empathy for poor people.
You would be a perfect bleeding-heart Liberal in this country like AOC and crazy Bernie.
Every country has problems. But this country was in pretty fine shape in March with the economy humming along and unemployment really low. And that was not because of Obama or anything crazy Pelosi was doing. The growing economy was under Trump - as big of an a$$hole as he really is.
People want that back. They want our country strong. Even Australia wants our country strong to counter what China is doing over there. So go ahead and feel sorry for some poor Americans who want to enjoy the economic freedoms of this country.
If it makes you feel better.

I'm glad you agree with everything I said. As for Mr. Trump. Not for even 10,000 dollars would I vote for this sub-human. (Not kidding) But of course, I wish you luck