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Twitter Reacts To CNN's Threat Of Doxing Reddit User Who Created Trump's WWE Video

Re: Twitter Reacts To CNN's Threat Of Doxing Reddit User Who Created Trump's WWE Vide

To the point of Assholio, David Frum had this to say:

"My view: if you have something to say online, you should sign your name. If you won’t sign your name, you shouldn’t say it."

This does of course have more relevance if we're talking about countries with freedom of speech. If you live in a country that throws you in prison for insulting the head of state, then yeah, don't sign your name to that.
 
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bearpoker said:
Let's see Trump won the election. Real or Fake?
Trump lost the popular vote. Real or Fake?
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So who did win the popular vote ? Hillary ?
Just FYI, Hillary didnt WIN anything. Trumps in the White House and Hillary ?

Who knows, who cares
 
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Cardinal said:
To the point of Assholio, David Frum had this to say:

"My view: if you have something to say online, you should sign your name. If you won’t sign your name, you shouldn’t say it."

This does of course have more relevance if we're talking about countries with freedom of speech. If you live in a country that throws you in prison for insulting the head of state, then yeah, don't sign your name to that.
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What if you live in an area or work in an industry that simply revealing your political beliefs could essentially cost you friendships or even job opportunities? Hell, certain places in California you run the risk of getting assaulted for being conservative or *gasp* a Trump supporter.
 
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DiAnna said:
I'm here for you, buddy. :)
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Fenton said:
So who did win the popular vote ? Hillary ?
Just FYI, Hillary didnt WIN anything. Trumps in the White House and Hillary ?

Who knows, who cares
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I love that you righties never disappoint. I'm simply pointing out that you don't believe news you don't like. If you agree with something, you think it's true. If you disagree, you think it's false. Actual evidence, or lack thereof is totally irrelevant to you.
 
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Nap said:
What if you live in an area or work in an industry that simply revealing your political beliefs could essentially cost you friendships or even job opportunities?
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I've already addressed that. I debate politics here because debating politics IRL often leads to avoidable strife. I believe that if I were doxed it's possible I could lose one or two contracts, but they wouldn't be big ones because of the nature of my business. If somebody keeps their politics out of the work place and off Facebook, I see that as being polite, little different than keeping your wiener in your pocket when you're out shopping. If somebody is doxed for normal behavior (I see online political debate as normal), then all I see is that somebody's normal, private behavior has been outed.

Therefore, what if I were doxed? I would be mildly embarrassed. I have to be very reserved in public and in business, and my persona here doesn't fully match that degree of reservation. That said, mild embarrassment would be my reaction because mild misbehavior describes my actions here. And everything would eventually be fine because, and I can't stress this enough, I don't set out to be the worst human being possible.

https://imgur.com/a/hfUAo

The question is simple: do you generally follow the social contract? Or, upon logging onto a forum anonymously, do you take the social contract and immediately set it on fire? If you answered the former, then you could live down being doxed. If the latter, then I suggest you change your behavior starting now.

Behave on the internet as if you will be doxed tomorrow.

Nap said:
Hell, certain places in California you run the risk of getting assaulted for being conservative or *gasp* a Trump supporter.
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I work with a Trump supporter. Somehow blood loss is kept to a minimum.
 
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JMaximus said:
Twitter Reacts To CNN's Threat Of Doxing Reddit User Who Created Trump's WWE Video



Pretty much what you'd expect from one of the big gears in the Fascist Left's propaganda machine - threatening to ruin anyone who, even jokingly, does something they don't like.
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A lot of Trump supporters often defer to the defense, it's not illegal. What CNN proposes to do, is not illegal either.
 
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Cardinal said:
To the point of Assholio, David Frum had this to say:

"My view: if you have something to say online, you should sign your name. If you won’t sign your name, you shouldn’t say it."

This does of course have more relevance if we're talking about countries with freedom of speech. If you live in a country that throws you in prison for insulting the head of state, then yeah, don't sign your name to that.
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What does Frum have to say about anonymous sources? Oh, it's all quiet on the western front in that regard isn't it? How unsurprising.
 
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Cardinal said:
I think you're perfectly aware that if President Obama had done everything Trump has, you wouldn't be spending two seconds on some sensationalist news outlet who shamed an internet troll into making a public apology...and didn't even dox him in the process. I think you're perfectly aware that equating the two, let alone placing the news outlet's actions as somehow worse than the President of the United States's personal war with a free press, represents an inversion of decency and reason.
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The abilities of the players in question is the difference. A 15 year old kid against CNN isn't near the same as the President against CNN. Not even close.
 
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bearpoker said:
I love that you righties never disappoint. I'm simply pointing out that you don't believe news you don't like. If you agree with something, you think it's true. If you disagree, you think it's false. Actual evidence, or lack thereof is totally irrelevant to you.
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You remind me a lot of a guy I met a few years ago. When I discovered that he was a complete idiot, I decided to stay as far away from him as I could. I think I'll stay away from you, too.
 
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JasperL said:
Right, but it's not only threats, illegalities. That was really the entire point.

I'll put it simpler - we are talking ethics here, and doxing is IMO not a black and white ethical question. It's no more always ethically wrong than is lying or hitting someone, and this is especially true because in the worst case scenario, a person doxed is really only being held accountable for their online acts that they engaged in voluntarily. I see no principled reason for there to be an ethical expectation of being able to engage in certain acts or speech without consequences.

Doxing is very serious, and requires overcoming a substantial bar, but the bar isn't just "legal" or "illegal." A non-exhaustive list of considerations:

1) What did the person do or say, and to whom? Targeting CNN for being fake news is FAR different than targeting a gay teen for being gay.
2) What were the consequences if any of what they did or say? E.g. online harassment that intentionally causes serious emotional distress is different than criticizing someone's political or religious positions. Vigorous debate is a good thing - anonymity helps that. Intentionally harassing someone to the point of contemplating suicide unacceptable.
3) Who is the offending party who might be doxed? Again, a teen is different than a state legislator targeting political opponents, or a local business owner spreading malicious rumors about a competitor.
4) What will be the consequences of doxing the person? If conceivably fired, more serious than mere embarrassment.

In this case from what I've seen, CNN should not have doxed the guy, and make a terrible mistake with the implied threat - behave or else. But I don't know much about the guy and what he posted, so that conclusion might change with more information. I generally just do not believe we have some 'right' to engage in offensive behavior, online or anywhere else, and hide behind anonymity to get away with it, or that holding someone accountable by attaching a real name to comments they made voluntarily is necessarily a bad thing.
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There are other problems here.
Doing this to someone can cause more than shame and loss of job, it can invite actual things like assault and violence.
Have you ever heard of swatting?

That's when someone knows your address and reports you to the local police, inducing them to deploy the swat team to your home.
This has happened before.

It's just not a good idea, because of all the potential things other people can or will do.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
The abilities of the players in question is the difference. A 15 year old kid against CNN isn't near the same as the President against CNN. Not even close.
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A fifteen year old kid?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Isn't this coercion? Yep, it sure is.
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Legally, coercion almost always involves force. This is more like blackmail.
 
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haymarket said:
It bothers me not in the least the way CNN handled it and they were very lenient.
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That's not their job.
If his identity is important to the story, then publish it, if it is not they shouldn't and they shouldn't threaten.
 
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Cardinal said:
Then you have no idea what "whataboutism" is. I'm not following you down this weird rabbit hole any longer, and I'll continue to talk about Trump and your position on his tweet as much as I like.
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Then it makes you look foolish.
Trump is only important in that he posted the image.

It is not important in as far as CNN's behavior in the story.
"What about Trump" is irrelevant to CNN's behavior.

Cardinal said:
Yes, that's my point, Harry, nothing is trump's fault. The President of the United States has zero responsibilities, zero accountability, zero standards. Only everybody else has agency.
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Plenty of things are Trump's fault, just not this.
CNN is the one who did this to person, not Trump.


Cardinal said:
Your continued performance of fake outrage demands that doxing happened. It didn't, so your position in this thread is just getting goofier and goofier. Already you've tried to switch to the journalist being the victim even after joining the thread to cast him as the villain. And the result of the journalist's actions? An online troll has to post an apology, urging other people not to be trolls.

Oh, the humanity.
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When you get assaulted, swatted, have property crime, have your family harassed, etc, it's no longer "performance."
Something you continually ignore, for your petty vengeance on Trump and his supporters.

Threatening someone with this is unconscionable, especially by an alleged news outlet.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
That's not their job.
If his identity is important to the story, then publish it, if it is not they shouldn't and they shouldn't threaten.
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I'll repeat, "CNN is a 2 dollar whore." What they should or shouldn't do is of no consequence to them. They would kiss a bull's ass through a barbed wire fence. They have no morals, no ethics, no integrity, and no courage. The sold themselves to the Devil. They have no shadow.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
Then it makes you look foolish.
Trump is only important in that he posted the image.

It is not important in as far as CNN's behavior in the story.
"What about Trump" is irrelevant to CNN's behavior.



Plenty of things are Trump's fault, just not this.
CNN is the one who did this to person, not Trump.




When you get assaulted, swatted, have property crime, have your family harassed, etc, it's no longer "performance."
Something you continually ignore, for your petty vengeance on Trump and his supporters.

Threatening someone with this is unconscionable, especially by an alleged news outlet.
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According to the CNN article, none of what you said even happened. And as I said, your priorities with regards to believing Trump tweeting this was hilarious versus the horror of your unsubstantiated hyperbole are noted.
 
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Cardinal said:
I've already addressed that. I debate politics here because debating politics IRL often leads to avoidable strife. I believe that if I were doxed it's possible I could lose one or two contracts, but they wouldn't be big ones because of the nature of my business. If somebody keeps their politics out of the work place and off Facebook, I see that as being polite, little different than keeping your wiener in your pocket when you're out shopping. If somebody is doxed for normal behavior (I see online political debate as normal), then all I see is that somebody's normal, private behavior has been outed.

Therefore, what if I were doxed? I would be mildly embarrassed. I have to be very reserved in public and in business, and my persona here doesn't fully match that degree of reservation. That said, mild embarrassment would be my reaction because mild misbehavior describes my actions here. And everything would eventually be fine because, and I can't stress this enough, I don't set out to be the worst human being possible.

https://imgur.com/a/hfUAo

The question is simple: do you generally follow the social contract? Or, upon logging onto a forum anonymously, do you take the social contract and immediately set it on fire? If you answered the former, then you could live down being doxed. If the latter, then I suggest you change your behavior starting now.

Behave on the internet as if you will be doxed tomorrow.



I work with a Trump supporter. Somehow blood loss is kept to a minimum.
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It is great that for you personally it would only amount to a mild embarrassment or minimal effect on your income. This is not the case for everyone. I appear to be in the same situation as you in that should I were to be doxxed it would have little if any impact on my life and I tend to try and keep my online persona inline with my offline self and typically do not say anything I wouldn't say in person, however there are people who don't have that luxury due various circumstances especially in today's hyper-partisan era of politics.
 
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Cardinal said:
There seems to be only two people who would know that: hanassholesolo and Andrew Kaczynski. The former hasn't publicly stated his age and Kaczynski says he a middle aged man.
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I think quite a few more know than those two. In any event, CNN going after a private citizen is still a far cry from a feud between CNN and the President. The private citizen has far fewer options.
 
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Nap said:
It is great that for you personally it would only amount to a mild embarrassment or minimal effect on your income. This is not the case for everyone. I appear to be in the same situation as you in that should I were to be doxxed it would have little if any impact on my life and I tend to try and keep my online persona inline with my offline self and typically do not say anything I wouldn't say in person, however there are people who don't have that luxury due various circumstances especially in today's hyper-partisan era of politics.
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There is no small difference between holding opposing political beliefs and acting like a legitimately awful human being as in the case of assholio.
 
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