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Who cares what the U.S. thinks. I'd rather hear it from the UN under an international consensus.
Who cares what the U.S. thinks. I'd rather hear it from the UN under an international consensus.
Why are we bitching about WW I **** still?
Ikari said:Why are we bitching about WW I **** still?
Because most people here refuse to discuss the United States' culpability the War of Northern Aggression. I'm working on that though.
Seriously though, in most of the world, the events of wars centuries past are still modern concerns. The idea of not perpetuating the conflicts of recent generations is a Western, and especially an American norm.
Because it's still relevant today...
Is it? Are we condemning Germany, Italy, or Japan for anything? Or is it just Turkey for some reason? Cause something that happened nearly 100 years ago and hasn't been repeated doesn't sound like something that is still relevant.
I disagree. History is always important.
So do you think we should similarly condemn Germany, Italy, and Japan then? In the same manner we've done to Turkey? How far back are we going with this too? The British Empire? Cause don't think those guys weren't wiping folk off the map. Should we condemn ourselves for the treatment of the American Indian? Why is it that we are doing this to just Turkey now? You not find it suspect?
History is important, and we should learn from mistakes made in the past. But there's not point in trying to hold people responsible now for something which happened almost 100 years ago.
Yes, if wrong was done, we should recognize it, learn from it, and mourn for it. I am not saying there should be punishment, because you are right that those things are in the past and those who did those things are dead.
It would be far better if those countries who were involved in the events did it themselves though.
Ikari said:Is it?
Me said:This is the second place I've seen you post this. The reason that it is signifcant today is because the issue of the Armenians is a very touchy issue even to this day.
As an analogy, you might consider the internment of Japanese during WW2 as "in the past," as do most people. But do you really think that would be the case if Japanese were still treated as second class citizens and widely discriminated against?
The reason that this is still a relevant issue is because the tensions that caused the genocide still exist today.
Are we condemning Germany
or Japan for anything?
Japan was recently condemned for historical revisionism regarding its role in WW2 by omitting the Japanese treatment of Chinese civilians during WW2, so yes.
It would be nice. But so long as the behavior isn't repeated then it's not going to be a problem either way.
To me, the timing of this is very suspicious. Because we've had almost 100 years to issue this; but we didn't until now. Why? I think it has way more to do with Turkey's desire to enter the EU than anything else.
It looks like its been ramping up over the last 20 years or so, according to google timeline.
2007 Congress Mulls Resolution on Armenian 'Genocide' : NPR
2003 http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we...page=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM
2005 Sen. Allen Calls for US Recognition of Armenian Genocide | Asbarez Armenian News
Ok, well that's a little better. Still, none of this seems like it will functionally do anything. Which is something I'd then call useless and pointless.
I agree. They either need to do it or don't and this is something that is better left up to historians anyway.
I can buy that. People are capable of doing some horrible things, and we certainly need to be able to learn and grow as a species from that. But we should do so in meaningful and functionally viable ways. But given human history, I'm not so sure we're ever truly going to learn. It seems that if there's one thing we humans love, it's killing other humans.
Ikari said:100 years they had to come out against Turkey. But we didn't. It's not until now that we do it, and it's only against Turkey for something whichhappened under the Ottoman Empire. Why?
She meant the House resolution.What the hell do you mean "not until now"? It's been an issue since it happened. And I already explained why it is still a relevant issue today, which you never responded to.
What the hell do you mean "not until now"? It's been an issue since it happened. And I already explained why it is still a relevant issue today, which you never responded to.
Because it's still relevant today...
So this issue came up in Congress every congressional cycle for nearly 100 years then? I mean....since it happened right? So you got that backed up. I was shown considerations for this over the past 20...but that's nearly 80 years too short for your claims.
Oh and by the way. Saying:
is not explaining why it is still relevant today. You merely made a statement.
Ikari said:Oh and by the way. Saying:
Khayembii Communique said:Because it's still relevant today...
is not explaining why it is still relevant today. You merely made a statement.
This is the second place I've seen you post this. The reason that it is signifcant today is because the issue of the Armenians is a very touchy issue even to this day.
As an analogy, you might consider the internment of Japanese during WW2 as "in the past," as do most people. But do you really think that would be the case if Japanese were still treated as second class citizens and widely discriminated against?
The reason that this is still a relevant issue is because the tensions that caused the genocide still exist today.
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