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Tucker Seems to want Civil War

ttwtt78640 said:
How, exactly, would one calculate the "fair market value" of something that is banned nationwide? It can't be sold legally for any more than the "buyback" offer because, at that point, it is either take that offer or it is worth scrap metal since it is a crime (felony?) to have it in working order. I guess one could try to assert that it has acquired some new "black market value", but that may be a tough call once it has become contraband.
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What you paid for it with accessories. Or what it would have cost before it was legal.

There's no way they ever would, and that was my point. It is confiscation.

But as usual, i would prefer we maybe try to figure out why its happening more frequently, free of lobbyist interference, before we swat a mosquito with a nuclear bomb.
 
Cardinal said:
Nothing says "law-abiding, responsible gun owner" like threatening to turn violent and murder fellow Americans if gun buybacks happen.
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Just ONE enforcement of an anti-gun law against 1 person resulted in 250 killed, another 680 people wounded/crippled and a billion dollars worth of property taxes.

Most progressives always contradict themselves. On the one hand they claim that lots of crazies have extremely lethal weapons - rushing to buy them at the thought of any ban (meaning clear intention to defy that ban) - while at the same time claiming all they need do is outlaw guns and whoosh all guns vanish except for the few who won't comply. But those crazy people with extremely lethal weapons are all harmless so they'll just be rounded up and put in prison - all 5, 10 million of them according to those same progressives.

True, most progressives oppose all human, civil and individual rights. The Bill of Rights and Constitution are only valuable to those progressives if printed on toilet paper. BUT not everyone is willing to be serfs and servants of the rich and powerful lords.

The reason it is known gun prohibitions - like all prohibitions in the USA has - will result in lots of violence, lots of deaths, police-state laws, lose of rights, and lot of new prisons. It is known because that is what existing anti-gun laws have already caused.
 
What if...? said:
What you paid for it with accessories. Or what it would have cost before it was legal.

There's no way they ever would, and that was my point. It is confiscation.

But as usual, i would prefer we maybe try to figure out why its happening more frequently, free of lobbyist interference, before we swat a mosquito with a nuclear bomb.
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Most people who have ARs and similar style rifles likely on average have around $1000 in each gun - and many have more than one. When "accessories" are counted, ARs and similar rifles with all the accessories could have cost well over $10,000.

The popularity of the AR style is not because it is extra lethal. It isn't. Nearly all are 22s - a small caliber. Rather, it is because they can easily be highly customized, extremely easy to clean, and extremely easy to take apart. There are probably over 5,000 specialty customizing parts for them - and you can build them easily literally from custom parts you pick out made by hundreds of companies. Like anything a person customizes, it creates an emotional connection of "this is mine!"

Like a person spending 5 times as much for a sports car over an economical car that holds just as much, goes as fast as the driver will ever go, and use far less fuel, ARs are "eye candy" in the world of gun sportsman, enthusiasts, hobbyists and professionals. Lots - tens of millions - of other firearms are more lethal in many ways. AR15s are the poor man's Ferrari in the gun world. No, they can't afford a Ferrari. But they can get a 2 door rather than a 4 door, and with a V8, adding custom wheels and it becomes their Ferrari. People become connected to their cars, to their stuff.

Millions of people will not give up their ARs - they will vote accordingly - and even by this forum you can see some of those are Democrats.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
How, exactly, would one calculate the "fair market value" of something that is banned nationwide? It can't be sold legally for any more than the "buyback" offer because, at that point, it is either take that offer or it is worth scrap metal since it is a crime (felony?) to have it in working order. I guess one could try to assert that it has acquired some new "black market value", but that may be a tough call once it has become contraband.
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Ever see pictures of the rifles and shotguns turned in with buy-backs? Thousands and thousands of rifles and shotguns. Maybe 1 that is AR style - and it's stripped. Thousands and thousands of broken, rusty junk guns.
 
Another curious unique aspect of an AR15 is what, exactly, is an AR15 in the eyes of the law?

This is:
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That is an AR15. That's the "gun." Everything else is just an accessory or attachment to that.

However, this is NOT an AR15, not even a gun:

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See the difference? This one is missing some holes drilled in it. Anyone can buy those mail order. They're cheap. Real cheap. They are "80%".
Of course nobody who surrendered their AR15 "gun," legally keeping all the "accessories" since they aren't a gun, would even think of buying one of those and following the instructions on You Tube on where and how to drill the holes, would they?

These are called "ghost" guns. I won't explain details as it could be interpreted as advocating crime, nor do or would I ever have one. But there are millions - that's MILLIONS - of those out there already made into fully functioning guns. That cast aluminum piece could be duplicated in any garage or small shop with simplistic techniques. Make the mound, melt aluminum, pour it into the mold. Grind of the casting edges, drill the holes. This has been happening on a huge scale for a long time.

Simply, banning alcohol didn't stop people having alcohol, nor did banning drugs work. Nor can banning guns. All it does it gets lots of people killed, highly corrupts and expands law enforcement, gets lots of people killed, ruins lots of lives including people with the government, is extremely costly, causes laws erasing civil and individual rights, creates criminal organizations and requires more and more prisons.
 
I never had an AR until last month, though have lots of firearms. I wouldn't get one because of the military look. I already have rifles of much greater, the same and lesser lethality. But they are amazing rifles, I now have 2, a 3rd being built from the ground up from parts I picked, though I could put it together myself in an hour - not fully familiar with it.

They are incredibly easy to fully disassemble - or disassemble in parts groups. It also is very user friendly intuitive such as for cleaning or parts replacements. For most inexpensive rifles, if something breaks you have to take it to a gunsmith, maybe he can make or find the parts, but even so it won't be cheap. For an AR you just easily replace the parts for servicing or upgrading. Super easy to clean.

Pull I pin, tilt the barrel assembly forward and out slides the bolt and firing pin group. Pull another pin and the entire assembly comes off. 5 seconds to remove the buttstock - 500 different ones to pick from. 2 small pins and the trigger assembly is out. One screw to remove the safety - 200 custom safeties to pick from. It is incredible in that regards. Some other rifles are easy to disassemble and assemble, but not intuitively.

Plus there is little flexibility due to federal law. Why? The serial number in on the barrel (and even sometimes other components). That means if you replace the barrel you have to go thru the background check - and fees - as if a different new rifle. Since almost no one wants to do that, there are few if any barrel choices. The design of most rifles also are not friendly to some modifications or holding many accessories. You can pile on accessories to an AR15. In seconds or a minute you can change the sighting/optics, grip, buttstock, even the caliber, barrel, ammo it is firing. It is a brilliant design.
 
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