Trust God and call it a day? I saw that bumper sticker this morning. I think it's stupid. How about trust yourself instead?

[Daisy]

Have you looked around at the twenty first century recently? You can keep your invisible entity, I'll keep my air conditioned car, I have much more faith in it.

Sure have...I see dumb people...

 

[Daisy]

If it's god's word, then god is pretty damned stupid - and from the first word of Genesis throughout.

You'd think that, if anyone, the creator of the cosmos would know how he did it, or at least not lie about it.

He tells us what we need to know...the rest is irrelevant for now...

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Which God are we supposed to trust? Let me guess, the one you were raised to believe in.

Make wise choices when choosing your God or Gods. I prefer................Goddesses myself.

 

[Daisy]

So, if he lets a Christian die in a car accident while the atheist in the other car survives, that is God's way?

No, that is the way of this world ruled by Satan...

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

No, that is the way of this world ruled by Satan...

Nice justification for all the bad things that just happen to hurt Christians, Sheesh!

 

[bongsaway]

??? How could you possibly believe you know what "God's way" is?
If you've been listening to a burning bush, or a serpent in a fruit tree, I'd consider getting a second opinion.

At the very least!

They don't agree with each other as to what god's way is but we're supposed to listen to them because only they know 'the truth'.

 

[bongsaway]

No, that is the way of this world ruled by Satan...

Satan is behind car accidents? Thank goodness, between Satan and God Christians don't have to take responsibility for anything, just put it in god's hands, if he don't want it, Satan will take care of it.

 

[bongsaway]

Sure have...I see dumb people...

I am so happy I don't live in your depressing world. Put it in god's hands, maybe they'll get some brains?

 

[Logician Man]

As much as we desire/attempt to make right decisions, we cannot always do so because we can't know what will happen 5 minutes from now...I tried it my way, now I try to do it God's way because only He can see into the future...

Logician Man said:
When the Biblical God created the universe, did He know He would perpetrate the Great Flood upon mankind? Yes or No?



@Daisy/Elora said:
No


Logician Man said:
So is the answer to the OP question Yes or No, for clarification. I believe you said "no."



@Daisy/Elora said:
No, He did not foresee in advance...

 

[Daisy]

Nice justification for all the bad things that just happen to hurt Christians, Sheesh!

Just look what happened to Jesus and his apostles...life in this world is not guaranteed...

 

[Daisy]

They don't agree with each other as to what god's way is but we're supposed to listen to them because only they know 'the truth'.

Or you could stop your ears up and not listen to anyway...

 

[Daisy]

Satan is behind car accidents? Thank goodness, between Satan and God Christians don't have to take responsibility for anything, just put it in god's hands, if he don't want it, Satan will take care of it.

​

The primary cause of wickedness, though, is not man. Satan the Devil, originally a faithful angel of God, “did not stand fast in the truth” and brought sin into the world. (John 8:44) He instigated a rebellion in the garden of Eden. (Genesis 3:1-5) Jesus Christ called him “the wicked one” and “the ruler of the world.” (Matthew 6:13; John 14:30) Mankind in general follow Satan by heeding his urgings to ignore the good ways of Jehovah. (1 John 2:15, 16) “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one,” says 1 John 5:19. There are other spirit creatures who have turned wicked and have joined Satan. The Bible indicates that Satan and his demons are “misleading the entire inhabited earth,” causing “woe for the earth.” (Revelation 12:9, 12) Thus, the principal blame for wickedness has to be placed on Satan the Devil.

Clearly, God is not responsible for bad things that happen to people; nor does he make them suffer. On the contrary, he has promised to eliminate badness.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2014483

 

[Daisy]

I am so happy I don't live in your depressing world. Put it in god's hands, maybe they'll get some brains?

Knowing why is not depressing, it is freedom from fear/dread/anxiety/hand wringing...

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Just look what happened to Jesus and his apostles...life in this world is not guaranteed...

Thanks for the Sunday Sermon.

 

[Daisy]

Thanks for the Sunday Sermon.

Or as my momma always said, "Life ain't fair"...you're welcome...

 

[bongsaway]

​

The primary cause of wickedness, though, is not man. Satan the Devil, originally a faithful angel of God, “did not stand fast in the truth” and brought sin into the world. (John 8:44) He instigated a rebellion in the garden of Eden. (Genesis 3:1-5) Jesus Christ called him “the wicked one” and “the ruler of the world.” (Matthew 6:13; John 14:30) Mankind in general follow Satan by heeding his urgings to ignore the good ways of Jehovah. (1 John 2:15, 16) “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one,” says 1 John 5:19. There are other spirit creatures who have turned wicked and have joined Satan. The Bible indicates that Satan and his demons are “misleading the entire inhabited earth,” causing “woe for the earth.” (Revelation 12:9, 12) Thus, the principal blame for wickedness has to be placed on Satan the Devil.

Clearly, God is not responsible for bad things that happen to people; nor does he make them suffer. On the contrary, he has promised to eliminate badness.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2014483

So let me get this correctly, Satan is the ruler of the world God created. How did that happen, why did your all powerful God allow it to happen?

 

[quip]

I tried it my way, now I try to do it God's way because only He can see into the future....

Isn't self-causitry still considered "your way"?

 

[Metanoia]

No, that is the way of this world ruled by Satan...

One’s personal growth is stunted when they choose to personify Satan. They come to believe that their enemy is outside of themselves. There is no scapegoat. Our enemy is the enemy within. It is up to us to “to become less to allow the Christ in us to become greater”

 

[bongsaway]

As much as we desire/attempt to make right decisions, we cannot always do so because we can't know what will happen 5 minutes from now...I tried it my way, now I try to do it God's way because only He can see into the future...

God talks to you every five minutes? Do you just sit around waiting for God to show you the right way?

 

[bongsaway]

One’s personal growth is stunted when they choose to personify Satan. They come to believe that their enemy is outside of themselves. There is no scapegoat. Our enemy is the enemy within. It is up to us to “to become less to allow the Christ in us to become greater”

What people won't believe, it's crazy. Why not just take responsibility for your own actions instead of blaming Satan or praising a god?

 

[poppopfox]

As much as we desire/attempt to make right decisions, we cannot always do so because we can't know what will happen 5 minutes from now...I tried it my way, now I try to do it God's way because only He can see into the future...

Sinatra disagrees -
My Way

Lyrics

… And now, the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
My friend, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain
I've lived a life that's full
I traveled each and every highway
And more, much more than this
I did it my way'

… Regrets, I've had a few
But then again, too few to mention
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption
I planned each charted course
Each careful step along the byway
And more, much more than this
I did it my way

… Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew
When I bit off more than I could chew
But through it all, when there was doubt
I ate it up and spit it out
I faced it all, and I stood tall
And did it my way

… I've loved, I've laughed and cried
I've had my fill, my share of losing
And now, as tears subside
I find it all so amusing
To think I did all that
And may I say, not in a shy way
Oh, no, oh, no, not me
I did it my way

… For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught
To say the things he truly feels
And not the words of one who kneels
The record shows I took the blows
And did it my way
… Yes, it was my way

 

[Daisy]

So let me get this correctly, Satan is the ruler of the world God created. How did that happen, why did your all powerful God allow it to happen?

With Satan's rebellion and Adam and Eve's disobedience in the garden, there arose a 2-fold challenge that had to be answered...who rightfully should ruled mankind, Jehovah or Satan and will all of mankind disobey?

Jehovah’s permitting wickedness and suffering has proved that independence from God has not brought about a better world. Undeniably, history has been marked by one disaster after another. The reason for this is that humans have chosen to pursue their own independent course and have shown no real regard for God’s word and will. When Jehovah’s ancient people and their leaders unfaithfully pursued “the popular course” and rejected his word, the results were disastrous. Through his prophet Jeremiah, God told them: “The wise ones have become ashamed. They have become terrified and will be caught. Look! They have rejected the very word of Jehovah, and what wisdom do they have?” (Jeremiah 8:5, 6, 9) Having failed to follow Jehovah’s standards, mankind in general has become like a ship without a rudder, tossed about in a turbulent sea.

God’s permission of wickedness and suffering has also proved that Satan has not been able to turn all mankind away from Jehovah. History shows that there have always been individuals who have remained faithful to God no matter what temptations or adversities were brought upon them. Over the centuries, Jehovah’s power has been manifested in behalf of his servants, and his name has been declared in all the earth. (Exodus 9:16; 1 Samuel 12:22) Hebrews chapter 11 tells us about a long line of faithful ones, including Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, and Moses. Hebrews 12:1 calls them ‘a great cloud of witnesses.’ They were examples of unwavering faith in Jehovah. In modern times too, many have given their lives in unbreakable integrity to God. By their faith and love, such individuals prove conclusively that Satan cannot turn all humans against God.

Jehovah’s allowing wickedness and suffering to continue has provided proof that only Jehovah, the Creator, has the ability and the right to rule over mankind for their eternal blessing and happiness. For centuries, mankind has tried many forms of government. But what has been the result? The complex problems and crises facing the nations today are ample evidence that truly, as the Bible points out, “man has dominated man to his injury.” (Ecclesiastes 8:9) Only Jehovah can come to our rescue and fulfill his original purpose. How will he do this, and when?
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101995019

 

[Daisy]

Isn't self-causitry still considered "your way"?

No...referring to God's Word for guidance/advice is not always the way sinful man tends to go on his own...

 

[Daisy]

One’s personal growth is stunted when they choose to personify Satan. They come to believe that their enemy is outside of themselves. There is no scapegoat. Our enemy is the enemy within. It is up to us to “to become less to allow the Christ in us to become greater”

Choice...that is the deciding factor...

 

[bongsaway]

With Satan's rebellion and Adam and Eve's disobedience in the garden, there arose a 2-fold challenge that had to be answered...who rightfully should ruled mankind, Jehovah or Satan and will all of mankind disobey?

Jehovah’s permitting wickedness and suffering has proved that independence from God has not brought about a better world. Undeniably, history has been marked by one disaster after another. The reason for this is that humans have chosen to pursue their own independent course and have shown no real regard for God’s word and will. When Jehovah’s ancient people and their leaders unfaithfully pursued “the popular course” and rejected his word, the results were disastrous. Through his prophet Jeremiah, God told them: “The wise ones have become ashamed. They have become terrified and will be caught. Look! They have rejected the very word of Jehovah, and what wisdom do they have?” (Jeremiah 8:5, 6, 9) Having failed to follow Jehovah’s standards, mankind in general has become like a ship without a rudder, tossed about in a turbulent sea.

God’s permission of wickedness and suffering has also proved that Satan has not been able to turn all mankind away from Jehovah. History shows that there have always been individuals who have remained faithful to God no matter what temptations or adversities were brought upon them. Over the centuries, Jehovah’s power has been manifested in behalf of his servants, and his name has been declared in all the earth. (Exodus 9:16; 1 Samuel 12:22) Hebrews chapter 11 tells us about a long line of faithful ones, including Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, and Moses. Hebrews 12:1 calls them ‘a great cloud of witnesses.’ They were examples of unwavering faith in Jehovah. In modern times too, many have given their lives in unbreakable integrity to God. By their faith and love, such individuals prove conclusively that Satan cannot turn all humans against God.

Jehovah’s allowing wickedness and suffering to continue has provided proof that only Jehovah, the Creator, has the ability and the right to rule over mankind for their eternal blessing and happiness. For centuries, mankind has tried many forms of government. But what has been the result? The complex problems and crises facing the nations today are ample evidence that truly, as the Bible points out, “man has dominated man to his injury.” (Ecclesiastes 8:9) Only Jehovah can come to our rescue and fulfill his original purpose. How will he do this, and when?
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101995019

I stopped reading after the first sentence, what you believe means nothing to me. I think I mentioned to you long ago, Bible verses mean zero to me. I consider the Bible along the same lines as harry potter. Take responsibility for your own actions instead of believing God and Satan are living your life.