Trump's phone call with the GA SOS about finding votes to overturn the election

[dairyair]

I can't get your links to work but did it have to do with a woman in Fulton county working at the State Farm building that was caught on video running the same stack of ballots 5 times through the tabulators?
What that would do is create a good number of ballots that would be recognized as an error. Once considered an error it goes to adjudication where if they were votes for Trump could be adjudicated to become votes for Biden. If it was just a blank ballot run through the machine it would become an error and could be adjudicated to be a vote for Biden. Either scenario it could result in votes 5 fold for Biden. If someone is deliberately counting the same votes 5 fold then there is someone in adjudication willing to falsely change them which adjudicators have the power to do.

What is not being reported is the number of votes that occurred in Fulton county and there is a video out there where a spokes person gave a statement to the press and in that presser he gave the amount of mail in ballots that had been counted along with the number of ballots that had to be adjudicated and that was an extremely high number of ballots counted had to go through adjudication .

Every thing Trump stated in that phone call he has already stated on his twitter feed.

Regardless what our national MSM reports, Raffensperger is being reported in local news papers in Georgia not in a good light and they are asking him many questions he refuses to answer.

So the claim is republicans in Ga election team, that supported trump, ignored votes known to have been changed or counted for Biden?
Even though there's suppose to be and I think there actually are, paper ballots confirming electronic ballots.

And the proof is? It could be adjudicated? AFAIK, the electronic count matches the paper track/count.

 

[Paradoxical]

And what did Q tell you?

Qanon is a bunch of conspiracy stuff. You know this. I steer away from them. But you? Afraid your GOTO sources are HuffPo, WaPo, Lemon, Stelter, Mika and Joe

 

[Paradoxical]

And you react to all is Trump's bullshit as truth.
Hypocrite.

Funny thing is, I find that liberals are like Pavolv's dogs. they hear the bell ring of MSM, and the salivate. They go to a chat room and see what they're supposed to be angry about today, and they parrot it, to curry favor with the other dogs. So, they bark and howl, not knowing what for. All they know is other dogs are barking so they do too.

 

[TrumpVirus 2020]

Trump has the world's biggest inferiority complex. His feelings of perpetual victimhood and his subconscious feelings of inadequacy are precisely what his most ardent supporters identify with the most.

When JFK warned that Americans were becoming soft, he was right, and 50 years later those soft Americans were Trump supporters.

You are correct, they are the ultimate "Me Too" victims. They have been so wronged.

They should all enter Limbo contests...without a spine the bar would never be set to low for a trumpster to dance under.

 

[BlueTex]

Illegal taping and revealing of a private conversation borders on treason.

Can you cite the law that made this recording illegal?

 

[Linc]

Funny thing is, I find that liberals are like Pavolv's dogs. they hear the bell ring of MSM, and the salivate. They go to a chat room and see what they're supposed to be angry about today, and they parrot it, to curry favor with the other dogs. So, they bark and howl, not knowing what for. All they know is other dogs are barking so they do too.

He’s an insane liar. He just carried on about running against Kemp . It’s all about him; FASCISM.

 

[Parrish]

Qanon is a bunch of conspiracy stuff. You know this. I steer away from them. But you? Afraid your GOTO sources are HuffPo, WaPo, Lemon, Stelter, Mika and Joe

Now, that made me laugh.

 

[Linc]

Illegal taping and revealing of a private conversation borders on treason.

Everyone’s see trump’s treason for 4+ years. Hope you’re enjoying trump’s insane rally. Now it’s caravans. Back to rigged. Back to criminal immigrants.

 

[SMTA]

Funny thing is, I find that liberals are like Pavolv's dogs. they hear the bell ring of MSM, and the salivate. They go to a chat room and see what they're supposed to be angry about today, and they parrot it, to curry favor with the other dogs. So, they bark and howl, not knowing what for. All they know is other dogs are barking so they do too.

Perfect self description.
We agree.

 

[Paradoxical]

Can you cite the law that made this recording illegal?

I am not a legal scholar like you.

 

[Paradoxical]

He’s an insane liar. He just carried on about running against Kemp . It’s all about him; FASCISM.

Racist Racist Racist. Fascist, fascist Fascist. Russia, Russia, Russia. Collusion. He lies a million times! MSM is my GOTO source.

 

[Captain Adverse]

After I listened to what Donald Trump said with my own ears, here are my thoughts, which I will explain through a counterfactual hypothetical:..

I am not going to respond to the hypothetical. It is a red herring and irrelevant.

So that brings us to the present situation. I have defended Donald Trump when I thought he was being wrongly attacked by hyper-partisan ideologues in our left-leaning national media, who were so quick to leap on every single misstep of the man, and make mountains out of molehills. I prided myself on calling balls and strikes. But this is not a strike. This is not a step too far. This is a leap too far. I can no longer consider Donald Trump to be a mere incompetent buffoon and dishonest, opportunistic show-boater. I now see Donald Trump as an unconscientious demagogue. He is a threat to our democratic institutions and elections, and the integrity of the Federal Republic itself. I would say the same of any other President or public figure. He must be impeached. He must be criminally prosecuted. Twitter must ban him from their platform immediately. Every privately-owned platform with an ounce of civic responsibility towards our country must kick him off.

This man does not represent or care about principled conservatism. He represents and cares only for himself.

If I have somehow misread the situation and have fallen for the biggest con made by our left-leaning media thus far, then I truly am a huge fool and I will admit it at such time that the truth comes out...

I have just completed listening to the tape of the conversation provided on the CNN site here: Full transcript: Trump's audio call with Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger - CNNPolitics

First, I am going to admit that it was hard to listen to. Trump was very petulant, opinionated, and sometimes misinformed as to some of the facts. In all honesty, his constant interruptions of both his own advisors and the Georgia participants coupled with an unwillingness to accept and discuss certain responses wore on my nerves.

Having said all that, one point is clear. He never told anyone to "find votes to overturn the election" as the thread title states (and MSM/Social Media reporting asserts). His repeated point was that based on what he has been told by his "advisors" there were possibly hundreds of thousands of votes which were either not properly counted/recorded, or were fraudulent for a number of reasons. That those numbers were well above the "11799 votes" he lost by. He was not asking anyone to make up/create votes for him. NO, he wanted them to simply look at the "hundreds of thousands of votes" which were either fraudulent and should not be counted, or votes which should have been counted for him.

But until then, I am left with the President's words. He needs to be removed from office.

You are entitled to your opinion. But what I heard was a man frustrated over a messy election with massive changes that (to his mind by his own words) caused a "phony election."

While I did not appreciate his attitude, tone, and typical abrasiveness, I am also forced to recall that he is a man who has been under constant attack from both inside and outside his Administration. Had I not been a "witness" to such shenanigans over the last 4 years, I might be less forgiving of his demeanor.

In the meantime I just want the facts to come out, one way or the other. Which is why I support the Republicans in Congress who intend objections on 01/06/20. If for no other reason (win or lose) than to get them in the Congressional Record.

Still, if/when Joe Biden is sworn in as President of the USA after all legal and Constitutional "objections" have been concluded, then as far as I am concerned he is the President of the United States and I will give him a chance to show his merits.

 

[HumblePi]

I had to peek to see who the one dumbass was that answered "Trump was just kidding"

 

[Lutherf]

The main problem with your post Luther, is that in the same way you refuse to believe the evidence you see now, you would also refuse to believe the results of any investigation, regardless of who led the investigation or, how thorough it was nothing will convince you.

Here's what I know; I know that voter turnout in this election was 6-12% higher than it had been since the turn of the 20th century and that's likely attributable entirely to absentee ballots. I also know that the surge in absentee ballots wasn't because people needed them but because outside organizations actively solicited people to obtain them. The swings in these factors was way, way beyond anything we had seen before and it warrants additional scrutiny specifically because it is so much different than prior elections.

 

[DiAnna]

Every one of these BS lies about the Georgia election are addressed in this 30 minute video. https://debatepolitics.com/threads/...press-their-own-votes.434998/#post-1073257218

Honest to god, I've never seen so many people so willing to believe anything, no matter how outrageous, simply to support what they want to be true.

 

[JMB802]

Having said all that, one point is clear. He never told anyone to "find votes to overturn the election" as the thread title states

This is a direct quote by Donald Trump.

"So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state."

Use common sense for just a moment. Trump is speaking to the GA SOS about the election. He says, "I just want to find 11,780 votes". Where do you think he wanted to "find" the votes? I think he's looking for extra votes for Trump in GA, don't you?

Next, Trump says "we won the state". We all know that Trump did not win the state.

Now put two and two together. Trump wants to find votes because he thinks he won the state of GA. Do you think that in Trump's mind if the mythical votes are found that he THINKS he has ammo for overturning the GA results?

The thread title is not as disingenuous as you imply.

 

[Captain Adverse]

This is a direct quote by Donald Trump.

"So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state."

Use common sense for just a moment. Trump is speaking to the GA SOS about the election. He says, "I just want to find 11,780 votes". Where do you think he wanted to "find" the votes? I think he's looking for extra votes for Trump in GA, don't you?

No. I was very clear on what I said.

Next, Trump says "we won the state". We all know that Trump did not win the state.

He believes he won the State. He believes it was stolen from him by fraud, etc.. He can thus state his "opinion" on that, much difference it makes if it is proven untrue.

Now put two and two together. Trump wants to find votes because he thinks he won the state of GA. Do you think that in Trump's mind if the mythical votes are found that he THINKS he has ammo for overturning the GA results?

The thread title is not as disingenuous as you imply.

If the votes are "found," then it is not "mythical."

The thread title is not as disingenuous as you imply.

IMO it is completely "disingenuous," much as has been the Main Stream and Social Media history of bias via misrepresentation and false reporting over the last 4.5 years.

 

[Lursa]

Here's what I know; I know that voter turnout in this election was 6-12% higher than it had been since the turn of the 20th century and that's likely attributable entirely to absentee ballots. I also know that the surge in absentee ballots wasn't because people needed them but because outside organizations actively solicited people to obtain them. The swings in these factors was way, way beyond anything we had seen before and it warrants additional scrutiny specifically because it is so much different than prior elections.

And I'll say your 'likely attributable' leaves out the fact that Democrats learned from 2016 and werent going to take the election for granted this time. The voter registration drives and commercials and campaigns were everywhere. The Donald could have benefited from that too.

Then add the fact that a huge number of people were even more motivated this time...not caring about who...but just voting to get rid of The Donald. Many of us would have voted for almost anyone to take out the trash. And we turned out in droves.

The Donald was not a popular president. Not at any point in 4 years. His polling remained in the 30-40% range the entire time. Feel free to provide a con-sponsored poll that showed differently. So then what makes you think he'd get more votes????

So it's not remotely surprising that MORE Americans turned out to vote to get rid of a man that considered dying of the Trump virus, "it is what it is' when he got the finest medical treatment in the world and just shrugged it off. Those 200,000 dead people? They have lots of family that voted.

 

[JMB802]

No. I was very clear on what I said.



He believes he won the State. He believes it was stolen from him by fraud, etc.. He can thus state his "opinion" on that, much difference it makes if it is proven untrue.



If the votes are "found," then it is not "mythical."



IMO it is completely "disingenuous," much as has been the Main Stream and Social Media history of bias via misrepresentation and false reporting over the last 4.5 years.

So, again, using common sense. And keeping in mind who we are speaking about and the circumstances. What is the end game for Trump? Is it not changing the election results? Why else would he be interested in finding more Trump votes in GA?

This is all about Trump and his words. The MSM has nothing to do with this.

 

[Lursa]

If the votes are "found," then it is not "mythical."

So then since the votes cannot be found...he legitimately lost the state, right?

End of story? Yes, right?

 

[EnigmaO01]

Only the truly ignorant believe this bullcrap narrative. Trump knows GA has counted more illegal and fraudulent votes than need to overcome his deficit to win GA. Trump NEVER asked for the GA SOS to "find" fake votes.
Don't be so lazy, folks. Listen to the phone call. The WHOLE phone call. And pay particular attention to the parts where Trump repeatedly begs for the TRUTH to come out.
Have you learned nothing? Trump was RIGHT about Russia collusion. There was NONE. Trump was right about his campaign being spied on. Trump never was guilty of a quid pro quo with Ukraine.
That was BIDEN, and we'll impeach his ass soon enough.

 

[HumblePi]

Here's what I know; I know that voter turnout in this election was 6-12% higher than it had been since the turn of the 20th century and that's likely attributable entirely to absentee ballots. I also know that the surge in absentee ballots wasn't because people needed them but because outside organizations actively solicited people to obtain them. The swings in these factors was way, way beyond anything we had seen before and it warrants additional scrutiny specifically because it is so much different than prior elections.

You're wrong. Many people stood in lines for 8-12 hours to cast their votes in places where there was early voting. The pandemic most assuredly created a fear in many people of standing in lines to vote and requested mail-in ballots. There were more new voters registered for this election than any time in our history and it's all because more people were aware of the importance of getting out to cast their vote to get Trump the **** out of our sight. Additionally, there were many thousands of young people just turning 18 and voting for the first time that still remember the Parkland shooting and wanted a change to a party that would finally enact some meaningful gun legislation. No, the voters were not solicited by 'outside organizations'.

There has been a large population of voters that were disengaged from the whole voting thing for years. This time around, it was very different. People were more aware of what was going on in Trump's administration. The news was hard to avoid and Trump filled it night and day. People got energized and engaged once again. Black voters finally figured out that they could be a force for change if only they got involved in the election process. And come out they did! There were more Black and Hispanic voters in 2020 than there has been in our history. They showed up to vote against racial injustice and against random killing of black men by cops. That's why they came out to vote, they came out to vote against Trump and not particularly for Biden. But that's exactly what happened in 2016, voters held their noses and voted for Trump instead of Hillary Clinton, but they were not Trump enthusiasts in the least. Those voters went to Biden this time around.

For over a hundred years this is precisely what the republicans have tried to stifle, the black and minority vote. And they have. It took a lot of work to stop redistricting and disenfranchising and suppressing the black and minority vote and it's still going on in places like Texas and Georgia.

 

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[Lursa]

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[uptower]

We have assertions of evidence showing fraud. Almost NONE of this evidence has been evaluated on the merits in Court. Which brings us to the constant meme "60 failed challenges," where the vast majority were neither filed by the Trump campaign, nor were they dismissed on the merits. In most cases they were dismissed on procedural grounds without any examination of the evidence. Therefore, when I see members exulting over legal losses, I shrug because the evidence was never given a fair hearing in Court.