Trump's List Of Incompetent Decisions/Actions63

[Mycroft]

Refute it point by point then.

The Trumpster “see no evil” act is getting moth eaten!

No. I've already refuted one and I claim they are all "nonsense anti-Trump talking points".

If you disagree, then you trot out your best argument.

 

[TomFitz]

No. I've already refuted one and I claim they are all "nonsense anti-Trump talking points".

If you disagree, then you trot out your best argument.

No, I’m not going to do your job for you.

You made a baseless claim, denying the well documented and obvious.

That’s what Trump supporters are reduced to these days.

By this afternoon, you’ll almost certainly have yet another Trump stupidity to try and wish away.

 

[TomFitz]

What I am doing is accepting his own words.

He lied to Congress on March 12, 2013 when he said that millions of Americans were not being surveilled.

In 2017, he lied to the American People on Meet the Press when he said that there was no wire tapping conducted in Trump Tower and that if there was he would be in a position to know.

The guy has determined that Obama is good and Trump is bad and that it is his sacred duty to treasonously oppose the POTUS.

The guy defines the phrase "party loyalist lap dog" by his lies and deceitful, borderline traitorous, actions.

He should at least be in jail. Comey, Clapper and Brennan are all criminals who need to be prosecuted and have their names added to the rolls of the Watergate crooks.

James Clapper avoids charges for 'clearly erroneous' surveillance testimony

I am not aware that there was any wiretapping inside the Trump Tower during the election or immediately thereafter.

Just because Trump makes it up and bellows it, Trumpsters ought to know better by now, than to parrot him as if what he says is true.

This is yet another example of the way right wingers cling to a lie they want to believe, no matter what the actual facts are. The noise machine has managed to keep Vince Foster, birtherism and Benghazi alive by periodically recycling the old lies.

 

[Mycroft]

No, I’m not going to do your job for you.

You made a baseless claim, denying the well documented and obvious.

~snipped the irrelevance~

Nobody's asking you to do my job. If you think I made a baseless claim, then defend your thoughts.

 

[TomFitz]

Nobody's asking you to do my job. If you think I made a baseless claim, then defend your thoughts.

You made a blanket dismissal without even addressing any of the points.

That’s the most baseless of baseless claims.

Since you aren’t going to defend your own posts (and are making a self serving effort to refuse to do so) it’s safe to assume the you know you can’t back your own dismissal.

 

[Mycroft]

You made a blanket dismissal without even addressing any of the points.

That’s the most baseless of baseless claims.

~snipped the irrelevance~

Actually I did address one of the points.

Why are you denying reality?

 

[tres borrachos]

Incompetent is Trump's middle name and his picture should appear in the dictionary under definition of the word.

Here is a list of "some" of his incompetent actions.

1) Declaring a Trade War with China and ignoring history.
2) Failure to give China a "dignity" out when China was willing to sign a new trade agreement.
3) Closing the Government for 34 days without accomplishing anything.
4) Losing 63 cases (versus winning 4) in Federal Courts. Normal winning percentage of Presidents winning in Federal Courts is 70%.
5) Declaring a National Emergency in the border crisis and getting nothing accomplished.
6) Promising Infrastructure spending and delivering nothing.
7) Mexico not paying for wall.
8) Failure to hire and/or keep knowledgeable people for the administration.
9) Utter and consistent chaos in WH.
10) Disunity of country at all time highs.
11) Failure to work toward balancing the budget. All-time high debt.
12) Promising a new Health Care program and delivering nothing.
13) Not unifying the world but creating dislike of the U.S. with our allies and lack of interest to help.
14) Over 270 important administration positions left unfilled.
15) No consistent approach to anything, flip-flopping constantly.
16) Meeting with Putin without anyone around to note what was said.
17) Not supporting and therefore making our most important institutions (FBI, CIA, Justice Dept) weak.
18) Picking the wrong countries for the travel ban.
19) Working to weakening our Constitution (rather than strengthen it)
20) Making our disaster relief a joke (throwing paper rolls at Puerto Ricans)
21) Talking about a disaster and getting the name of the location wrong (Pleasure vs Paradise).
22) Lying all the time, even when not useful.
23) Asking about using Nuclear Weapons to combat hurricanes.
24) Allowing rain to prevent him from honoring dead soldiers.
25) Saying air quality has improved when the opposite is true.
26) Helping to cover or ignore a Saudi murder (kashoggi)
27) Trump tweets about the wisdom of Mussolini.
28) The "buck stops over there". Does not take responsibility for any of his decisions. Blames others.
29) Makes constant mistakes about quoting law.
30) Makes "gut" decisions.

I started writing this list thinking I would come up with 10-15 incompetent actions and ended up with 30 and I stopped because I did not want the list to "get TOO long".

Nonetheless, this list certainly shows how incompetent this president is. One incompetence can be impossible to overcome. Thirty incompetencies is a disaster.

I was told there would be winning.

 

[Hypothetical]

Trying is admirable but failure because of incompetence is inexcusable. You want to give him kudos for trying? Go ahead. I am not, simply because he has no knowledge, experience, or even common sense and that is a recipe for guaranteed failure.

Here is a list of extremely successful companies that failed due to incompetent management. This list includes Toys-R-Us and Blockbuster.

The objective to be gained can be noteworthy but if the person doing the attempt is incompetent, it will fail.

One example specific to Trump. Casinos are generally good investments where profits are easy to achieve:



Trump bankrupted 3 of them.

How much more incompetent can a person be to fail 3 times with Casinos?

LOL irrelevant as hell. overall he is very successful, that is what matters. If you had to count, i would say about 90% of successful business leaders have failed attempts in their history, that they come back from.

well you can lead a horse to water , but you can't make him drink.

I only have one thing to reiterate in this conversation and then it is over. China is an authoritarian country. But for greed , we should have never gotten this intertwined with them. IF you and your ilk allow China to run over us, and you are young enough, you will live long enough to NOT enjoy the outcome. When that happens, I want you to think back and really RUE the day you thought this way.

 

[Luckyone]

LOL irrelevant as hell. overall he is very successful, that is what matters. If you had to count, i would say about 90% of successful business leaders have failed attempts in their history, that they come back from.

well you can lead a horse to water , but you can't make him drink.

I only have one thing to reiterate in this conversation and then it is over. China is an authoritarian country. But for greed , we should have never gotten this intertwined with them. IF you and your ilk allow China to run over us, and you are young enough, you will live long enough to NOT enjoy the outcome. When that happens, I want you to think back and really RUE the day you thought this way.

In ending this conversation.

It is incredible that anyone would ignore past results. Bankrupting 3 casinos shows incompetence. In addition, his thereafter success was due mainly to help from the Bayrock Group that financed him when no other banks would, steered him in the direction of branding (which he had not considered before) and literally made him what he is today. It was not Trump that did it, but the Russians and their help.

Given that the Russians will not be helping him on this, the probabilities of failure are extremely high but for some un-explainable reason (other than cult love), you throw proof of incompetence away.

Then, you turn around and throw blame at me as if I had any say in this. Success or failure with China will not depend on either of us other than perhaps on the Trump supporters that could have done something to stop him and didn't.

You are ignoring the facts and trying to make them fit the narrative you are telling. That is useless.

The bottom line though, is that you and me will either enjoy the benefits of suffer the consequences of what Trump does and if he fails, it will not be on my shoulders but yours and those of your ilk (trump supporters). You will have a hand in what happens but not for the good as that will not depend on you, but for the bad as you could have done something about it,

History will not treat you well. History will ignore me totally as there was little I could do other than say what it happening.

By the way and since you seem to be so knowledgeable on this, why don't you explain how Trump is going to do this. Don't explain the problem, explain how he will solve it. Keep in mind that the problem has now been going on for 13 months and it is worse than when it started.

 

[TomFitz]

Actually I did address one of the points.

Why are you denying reality?

Only 29 more to go.

And even then, it is Trump’s truculence that is the major factor.

China was negotiating with the American until earlier this month, when, after a recess in the talks, Trump went on one of his China bashing torrents and threatened, and them imposed, and then delayed new tariffs.

At that point, the Chinese understood that the guy on the other side of the table had not intention of negotiating in good faith.

 

[TomFitz]

LOL irrelevant as hell. overall he is very successful, that is what matters. If you had to count, i would say about 90% of successful business leaders have failed attempts in their history, that they come back from.

well you can lead a horse to water , but you can't make him drink.

I only have one thing to reiterate in this conversation and then it is over. China is an authoritarian country. But for greed , we should have never gotten this intertwined with them. IF you and your ilk allow China to run over us, and you are young enough, you will live long enough to NOT enjoy the outcome. When that happens, I want you to think back and really RUE the day you thought this way.

There is no basis for this claim at all.

Nearly every one of Trump’s signature deals, for the Grand Hyatt all the way to Doral, has gone bad or lost tons of money.

Trump wound up having to cash out all his father’s real estate holdings to cure defaults on his deals and loans. He was forced to sell the last of it, his stake in Hudson Yards (once the crown jewel of Fred Trump’s holdings) to raise cash in 2007.

When Trump rode the escalator and bellowed that he was worth $10 billion, the banking and commercial real estate industries laughed out loud. The banks won’t lend to him, and no one in the real estate business wants to be his partner.

After bragging that he was worth $10 billion, he filed unaudited financial disclosure forms saying he was worth about $2billion. And then scaled that down.

All the while, he is spending big lawyer money trying to keep anyone from looking at his real finances.

 

[Ouroboros]

Only 29 more to go.

And even then, it is Trump’s truculence that is the major factor.

China was negotiating with the American until earlier this month, when, after a recess in the talks, Trump went on one of his China bashing torrents and threatened, and them imposed, and then delayed new tariffs.

At that point, the Chinese understood that the guy on the other side of the table had not intention of negotiating in good faith.

Source, please.

 

[Ouroboros]

Only 29 more to go.

And even then, it is Trump’s truculence that is the major factor.

China was negotiating with the American until earlier this month, when, after a recess in the talks, Trump went on one of his China bashing torrents and threatened, and them imposed, and then delayed new tariffs.

At that point, the Chinese understood that the guy on the other side of the table had not intention of negotiating in good faith.

Source, please.

 

[Hypothetical]

There is no basis for this claim at all.

Nearly every one of Trump’s signature deals, for the Grand Hyatt all the way to Doral, has gone bad or lost tons of money.

Trump wound up having to cash out all his father’s real estate holdings to cure defaults on his deals and loans. He was forced to sell the last of it, his stake in Hudson Yards (once the crown jewel of Fred Trump’s holdings) to raise cash in 2007.

When Trump rode the escalator and bellowed that he was worth $10 billion, the banking and commercial real estate industries laughed out loud. The banks won’t lend to him, and no one in the real estate business wants to be his partner.

After bragging that he was worth $10 billion, he filed unaudited financial disclosure forms saying he was worth about $2billion. And then scaled that down.

All the while, he is spending big lawyer money trying to keep anyone from looking at his real finances.

so your theory is that the presidency is the only thing stopping his creditors from repossessing his golf course and other holdings or something? he doesn't actually own them? or what?

well I certainly would like to see some proof of that,.

 

[TomFitz]

Source, please.

NoCookies | The Australian

There’s one of many on the topic.

Of course, Trump lied at the G-7 about China calling up and wanting to resume talks. No such call was made.

Trump lied a lot and talked a lot of ridiculous nonsense on the world stage last weekend. I guess he was trying to top his Greenland fiasco.

 

[TomFitz]

so your theory is that the presidency is the only thing stopping his creditors from repossessing his golf course and other holdings or something? he doesn't actually own them? or what?

well I certainly would like to see some proof of that,.

Trump owns most of his golf course resorts. He got a lot of cash from the Russians and paid many of them off. I have no idea whether he has tried to leverage them since. Golf course resorts are a glut on the market now. Few make money. The internet is killing the conference market, the principal reason these places exist.

He own almost none of the building his name is on in New York, or only a minority interest. His deal is for property management and branding rights.

Of course, the Russians are waiting till they’re done with Trump before calling the paper.


And the fact that he has been so dependent on them for so long gives them leverage over him. Leverage that they have obviously tried to use.

Indeed, Trump may have been able to get away with lifting Russian sanctions, had Mike Flynn been even a little bit more discreet.

As it is, he lifted sanctions specifically on Oleg Deripashka’s companies.

McConnell had to block efforts to reinstate the sanctions in the Senate. He was rewarded for that effort with a nice investment by Deripashka’s company in his district.

 

[snakestretcher]

so your theory is that the presidency is the only thing stopping his creditors from repossessing his golf course and other holdings or something? he doesn't actually own them? or what?

well I certainly would like to see some proof of that,.

Yeah, look how well he's doing...

Trump Scotland golf course loses $1 million a year, and locals hate it - Business Insider

'Destroyed' Trump golf course dunes to lose special status - BBC News

Donald Trump’s visit to Scotland inspired some very creative British profanity — Quartz

The inept bastard insults local residents, lies about creating local jobs, screws up the local environment and expects, what, an open-arms welcome? What a ****ing moron.

 

[marke]

Trump owns most of his golf course resorts. He got a lot of cash from the Russians and paid many of them off. I have no idea whether he has tried to leverage them since. Golf course resorts are a glut on the market now. Few make money. The internet is killing the conference market, the principal reason these places exist.

He own almost none of the building his name is on in New York, or only a minority interest. His deal is for property management and branding rights.

Of course, the Russians are waiting till they’re done with Trump before calling the paper.


And the fact that he has been so dependent on them for so long gives them leverage over him. Leverage that they have obviously tried to use.

Indeed, Trump may have been able to get away with lifting Russian sanctions, had Mike Flynn been even a little bit more discreet.

As it is, he lifted sanctions specifically on Oleg Deripashka’s companies.

McConnell had to block efforts to reinstate the sanctions in the Senate. He was rewarded for that effort with a nice investment by Deripashka’s company in his district.

The Bidens, the Clintons, the Podestas, and other democrat players have reaped tens of millions of dollars from Russians over the last 15 years and dummass democrats falsely claim Trump is getting 'secret' money from Russians that nobody knows about or can prove. Go figure.

 

[ataraxia]

Incompetent is Trump's middle name and his picture should appear in the dictionary under definition of the word.

Here is a list of "some" of his incompetent actions.

1) Declaring a Trade War with China and ignoring history.
2) Failure to give China a "dignity" out when China was willing to sign a new trade agreement.
3) Closing the Government for 34 days without accomplishing anything.
4) Losing 63 cases (versus winning 4) in Federal Courts. Normal winning percentage of Presidents winning in Federal Courts is 70%.
5) Declaring a National Emergency in the border crisis and getting nothing accomplished.
6) Promising Infrastructure spending and delivering nothing.
7) Mexico not paying for wall.
8) Failure to hire and/or keep knowledgeable people for the administration.
9) Utter and consistent chaos in WH.
10) Disunity of country at all time highs.
11) Failure to work toward balancing the budget. All-time high debt.
12) Promising a new Health Care program and delivering nothing.
13) Not unifying the world but creating dislike of the U.S. with our allies and lack of interest to help.
14) Over 270 important administration positions left unfilled.
15) No consistent approach to anything, flip-flopping constantly.
16) Meeting with Putin without anyone around to note what was said.
17) Not supporting and therefore making our most important institutions (FBI, CIA, Justice Dept) weak.
18) Picking the wrong countries for the travel ban.
19) Working to weakening our Constitution (rather than strengthen it)
20) Making our disaster relief a joke (throwing paper rolls at Puerto Ricans)
21) Talking about a disaster and getting the name of the location wrong (Pleasure vs Paradise).
22) Lying all the time, even when not useful.
23) Asking about using Nuclear Weapons to combat hurricanes.
24) Allowing rain to prevent him from honoring dead soldiers.
25) Saying air quality has improved when the opposite is true.
26) Helping to cover or ignore a Saudi murder (kashoggi)
27) Trump tweets about the wisdom of Mussolini.
28) The "buck stops over there". Does not take responsibility for any of his decisions. Blames others.
29) Makes constant mistakes about quoting law.
30) Makes "gut" decisions.

I started writing this list thinking I would come up with 10-15 incompetent actions and ended up with 30 and I stopped because I did not want the list to "get TOO long".

Nonetheless, this list certainly shows how incompetent this president is. One incompetence can be impossible to overcome. Thirty incompetencies is a disaster.

I can’t wait to finally see what his “top people” were finding on Obama’s secret Kenyan birth certificate. He told us we weren’t going to believe it. How exciting!:lamo

Oh and he said Trump U is better than Harvard. Can’t wait to sign up! Hope it’s not too late!

 

[snakestretcher]

Trump owns most of his golf course resorts. He got a lot of cash from the Russians and paid many of them off. I have no idea whether he has tried to leverage them since. Golf course resorts are a glut on the market now. Few make money. The internet is killing the conference market, the principal reason these places exist.

He own almost none of the building his name is on in New York, or only a minority interest. His deal is for property management and branding rights.

Of course, the Russians are waiting till they’re done with Trump before calling the paper.


And the fact that he has been so dependent on them for so long gives them leverage over him. Leverage that they have obviously tried to use.

Indeed, Trump may have been able to get away with lifting Russian sanctions, had Mike Flynn been even a little bit more discreet.

As it is, he lifted sanctions specifically on Oleg Deripashka’s companies.

McConnell had to block efforts to reinstate the sanctions in the Senate. He was rewarded for that effort with a nice investment by Deripashka’s company in his district.

See post #92, above.

 

[snakestretcher]

I can’t wait to finally see what his “top people” were finding on Obama’s secret Kenyan birth certificate. He told us we weren’t going to believe it. How exciting!:lamo

Oh and he said Trump U is better than Harvard. Can’t wait to sign up! Hope it’s not too late!

Yes, we were told of "unbelievable findings" we were to be regaled with. Oh well, that was only nine years ago, so I guess they're still sifting through all the data they gathered:lamo
What an ignorant twat.

 

[code1211]

Yes, really. Johnson is un-elected, as was Theresa May before him. Nobody but the Conservative party voted for him so he doesn't represent the people, or me. Got anything to add?

Perhaps you need to stage a revolution so you can have a representative government in you homeland.

It worked here.

 

[code1211]

So no evidence that he's a party lap dog. Thanks for clarifying.

There is evidence both that he is party lap dog and that YOU are a partisan loyalist above being a patriot.

When a public official lies to defend a particular political party at the expense of the nation for which he works and that he has sworn to defend, that is all the evidence you need.

When a citizen chooses to ignore that criminal act at the expense of the nation in which he lives, that is all the evidence you need.

What do you require beyond the quoted, video taped, criminal public words and admitted public, criminal deeds of the criminals to determine that they are actually criminals?

 

[snakestretcher]

Perhaps you need to stage a revolution so you can have a representative government in you homeland.

It worked here.

We had one which remove the power of the King and restored it to the people. What we're left with is a travesty of democracy.

English Civil War - Wikipedia

 

[code1211]

I am not aware that there was any wiretapping inside the Trump Tower during the election or immediately thereafter.

Just because Trump makes it up and bellows it, Trumpsters ought to know better by now, than to parrot him as if what he says is true.

This is yet another example of the way right wingers cling to a lie they want to believe, no matter what the actual facts are. The noise machine has managed to keep Vince Foster, birtherism and Benghazi alive by periodically recycling the old lies.

Please allow me to update your awareness.

FBI wiretapped Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort - reports - BBC News

There are reports on this from other sources with American addresses, but the bias is comical as they do back flips to avoid stating the obvious.

Our spy agencies and "Justice" department thugs were working on behalf of the Democrat Party to influence the election.

If "The Russians" did anything beyond placing a few ads on Facebook, it's yet to be shown. The Americans are the ones to watch in this.