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I support the wall, but I'm having second thoughts about the emergency declaration.On Wednesday, the day after a national address in which he laid forth his case for building a border wall and refusing to sign a budget without one, President Trump suggested openly that he might in fact simply declare a national emergency with regard to the border and order the Defense Department to redirect funds toward the building of a border wall.
Trump stated, “I have the absolute right to do national emergency if I want…my threshold will be if I can’t make a deal with people that are unreasonable.” Trump would presumably invoke 10 USC §2808 or 10 USC §284 in order to declare a national emergency. Under 10 USC §2808, the president may “In the event of a declaration of war or the declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act,” undertake “military construction projects, and may authorize the Secretaries of the military departments to undertake military construction projects, not otherwise authorized by law that are necessary to support such use of the armed forces.”
https://www.dailywire.com/news/41987/trumps-considering-declaring-national-emergency-ben-shapiro
I support the wall, but I'm having second thoughts about the emergency declaration.
Jerry Erikson • 17 hours ago
your biggest arguments against this are optics and "if they abuse the system, democrats will probably do this next time!". first off, democrats ALWAYS abuse the system and will continue to do so anyways. I admire your faith in the other side to do the right thing, but we all know that time has passed. Democrats are so vehemently anti trump that they'll waste countless dollars on a pointless investigation hoping he's found treasonous than admit he was simply the better candidate than Hillary Clinton. It's why again, optics are pointless in this day and age. Trump won because he was a fighter. Mccain, Romney, and most of the Republicans who would condemn him for this are not fighters. With almost all news and late night media (not to mention hollywood) pumping out consistent democrat propaganda, ANYTHING trump and republicans do will be spun in a negative way.
Trump needs to do what needs to be done. If this is what is needed, so be it. I don't want it to come to that either, but as a last resort? FINE. Everyone will be grateful for it a few years down the road when the money SAVED due to the wall significantly decreasing illegal immigration and smuggling more than pays for its initial costs.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/41987/trumps-considering-declaring-national-emergency-ben-shapiro
I support the wall, but I'm having second thoughts about the emergency declaration.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/41987/trumps-considering-declaring-national-emergency-ben-shapiro
I support the wall, but I'm having second thoughts about the emergency declaration.
I don't support starting a symbolic Great Wall Of Trump (GWOT) project that will, at most, cobble together a few more miles of border barrier allowing for photo OPs of high fives in a few select border patrol sectors. The problem is that once an illegal immigrant gets inside the US interior (remember that most do so "legally") they can get (low wage) employment and enjoy public services/social programs while producing US citizen offspring able to bring the rest of the extended family in using chain migration. Its simply a scam to use the partial GWOT as an excuse to not do a damn thing about the 12M to 20M illegal immigrants already inside the US.
The republicans have had 2 years of full congressional control and the whitehouse. They could have passed wall funding through reconciliation at any time. Without a single democratic vote. Lets not pretend that wall funding is only important now. Trump supporters have been played for fools and are greedily sucking down that koolaid.
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https://www.thoughtco.com/the-definition-of-cloture-3367943Cloture Definition. How to Break a Filibuster Using the U.S. Senate Rulebook
I like this comment responding to Shapiro's opinion article:
Reconciliaition can be used on any funding or tax bills. Thats how they passed tax cuts with less than 60 votes.No they could not. Not without constant use of the Nuclear Option (overriding the cloture rule via simple majority vote) which would have allowed the Democrats unfettered license to do the same when they regained control.
It takes 60 votes in the Senate to pass a Bill because that's how many it takes to vote cloture* and end debate.
* https://www.thoughtco.com/the-definition-of-cloture-3367943
So far the Republicans have limited use to things like Kavanaugh's SCOTUS appointment vote in the Senate.
But constant use by whichever Party had the Senate majority would give them an ability to disregard efforts at bi-partisan cooperation.
This is why back when the Republican's controlled both Houses of Congress, things passed in the House of Reps. did not get past the Senate.
Personally, I think anyone who supports letting either party run roughshod over the cloture rule would have been short-sighted, as it only allows the other Party the license to do the same if and when take over.
If Trump wants to play games with politics, the DC water board can too.
Here’s a story on how the White House is missing water bill payments to the city, and by law, DC can cut water service to the WH anytime.
DC Water board debates whether they can cut off White House service after Trump admin misses payment
The Founding Fathers gave the House the purse strings for a reason. This is a perfect example of why.
Now the president wants to 'declare a national emergency' specifically because the House won't give him the money he wants. It wasn't a 'national emergency' during negotiations, but now it is. Got it.
If this is not the definition of abuse of power, I don't know what is. I cannot believe any federal court, including the USSC, would let him get away with this.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/41987/trumps-considering-declaring-national-emergency-ben-shapiro
I support the wall, but I'm having second thoughts about the emergency declaration.
Reconciliaition can be used on any funding or tax bills. Thats how they passed tax cuts with less than 60 votes.
It is very common and used by both parties. You cant pass new laws like obamacare or immigration reform but simple funding or tax changes you most certainly can and they do it all the time.
Reconciliation can only be used a maximum of three times per year per budget resolution. Congress has banned the use of Reconciliation that would increase deficits. So there are restrictions.
At any rate, you need to be able to get a simply majority in BOTH Houses of Congress to use Reconciliation at all.
I can’t see what issue a conservative would have with the military seizing private land by force. And I’m sure they would be fine with just any President doing that.
They used it on the tax cuts. They created a loop hole to get around the deficit problem, but even then, what you're saying is that anytime for the past two years, republicans could have passed 25 Billion for border wall funding with only 51 votes and all they had to do was find a matching 25 Billion dollar cut (over 10 years, so a cut of 2.5 Billion/year) in spending? And they couldn't get that done? It's a national emergency and illegals are slicing innocent americans throats and they couldn't pass wall funding with 51 votes to save american lives? (mocking hyperbole for those wanting to take that serious)
How stupid do they think people are? Yes, there are minor hurdles in reconciliation, but that's a big deal if you think it's actually a national emergency. They can't pretend wall funding is only important when democrats run the house. They can go **** themselves.
It's too bad that you can't see.
Speaking of border security, McConnell is taking the Democrats to the woodshed, as we speak, on the Senate floor. He's nailing them to the wall on their galactic hypocrisy about funding the wall, since they voted for funding a wall under Obama; and his own border chief supports a wall wholeheartedly! The Democrats are galactic flip-floppers, and many of their voters are the biggest dumbasses on the planet. They talk about common sense this or that on civil rights like gun control, but seem to demonstrate little of it where it matters most right now at the border, which is one of the primary duties of the federal government under the common defense and immigration clauses.
That was called "sarcasm."
Traditionally, simply watching a fictional movie in which the military seizes private land by force would have been enough to make conservatives construct walls around their homes in terror to keep the Federal government out. Today, however, conservatism has exploded, and I've seen a significant number of conservatives argue in favor of declaring a national emergency in order to start building a wall right now, which would necessitate the military seizing private property by force.
When a poll is finally completed, how much do you want to bet that support for doing this will be around 35-40%?
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