Trumps Cals To Arizona To Overturn Votes

[beefheart]

You two, as these articles intended you to, are missing the point. I am asking if Business Insider (earlier I incorrectly said MSN) have provided any evidence or sourcing to back up this statement they printed:

Trump called an Arizona GOP leader to persuade him to change election results.​

Even Hickman is quoted in that MSNBC video as saying he "presumed" that was the subject. So how did we get from the source presuming it to Business insider presenting it to people like yourselves as fact?
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They have the recordings, face it, you don't do any research.

 

[ApersonLIKEallOFyou]

They have the recordings, face it, you don't do any research.

Ha and the recording (singular) doesn’t say that. Watch that MSNBC video again and actually pay attention. The host doesn’t even realize that his teleprompter contained contradictory information. He says that there are two voicemails that were obtained but then says Hickman deleted the first of two. The second one, played in the clip, is simply the White House asking Hickman to call back. So again, watch the video and pay attention to details.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

Adding you to the list of people missing the point. You and I get to assume, and I would guess we'd assume the same thing, but we should trust the media not to do the same thing. That's all.

No, I think anyone can make the obvious inference, and the media should report on it.

 

[Helix]

Did the ninjas fail to find enough panda bears?

 

[The AntiDonald]

You two, as these articles intended you to, are missing the point. I am asking if Business Insider (earlier I incorrectly said MSN) have provided any evidence or sourcing to back up this statement they printed:

Trump called an Arizona GOP leader to persuade him to change election results.​

Even Hickman is quoted in that MSNBC video as saying he "presumed" that was the subject. So how did we get from the source presuming it to Business insider presenting it to people like yourselves as fact?
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If I am not mistaken, Trumps lawyer, Rudy, had already called the guy and left voice mails. Trumps call was because he was desperate. Either way, a lawyer representing the president attempted to interfere in the Arizona election. You tell me what the difference is. Naturally, because of the republican controlled legislature, nothing will ever be done to Trump or Rudy in that case.

Why else would Trump call Hickman? He doesn't even know the guy.

 

[beefheart]

If you really believed that Sleepy had won , you would not deign to reply .

Secretly and deep down you have more than an inkling that the whole edifice might collapse .

Once the evidence is there to bring down the House of Sleepy , things will happen. Very soon , grass hopper .

And you can now feel the pressure mounting and it drives you deeper into the Derangement Syndrome that is so obviously engulfing and consuming the Left .

Hey Monica, got that airline info yet? Or were you just lying?

 

[beefheart]

Ha and the recording (singular) doesn’t say that. Watch that MSNBC video again and actually pay attention. The host doesn’t even realize that his teleprompter contained contradictory information. He says that there are two voicemails that were obtained but then says Hickman deleted the first of two. The second one, played in the clip, is simply the White House asking Hickman to call back. So again, watch the video and pay attention to details.

So, when you are in a cult, you refuse to accept info..

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Mr T never sleeps .

Always on the button .

That Liberal Fascist ( Clunt apparently ) such a scared wimp that he was frightened to talk to his President .

Is this a code?

 

[Moderate Right]

If you really believed that Sleepy had won , you would not deign to reply .

Secretly and deep down you have more than an inkling that the whole edifice might collapse .

Once the evidence is there to bring down the House of Sleepy , things will happen. Very soon , grass hopper .

And you can now feel the pressure mounting and it drives you deeper into the Derangement Syndrome that is so obviously engulfing and consuming the Left .

Jesus. Yes, I know the left have had severe TDS for about five years now but now you're showing how much you are infected with severe BDS.

 

[americanwoman]

Ha and the recording (singular) doesn’t say that. Watch that MSNBC video again and actually pay attention. The host doesn’t even realize that his teleprompter contained contradictory information. He says that there are two voicemails that were obtained but then says Hickman deleted the first of two. The second one, played in the clip, is simply the White House asking Hickman to call back. So again, watch the video and pay attention to details.

Most likely Donald Trump called to congratulate Clint Hickman for running a fair election and admitting Joe Biden won that county.

 

[ApersonLIKEallOFyou]

No, I think anyone can make the obvious inference, and the media should report on it.

Well that is definitely not how any of this works, but thanks for playing.

 

[ApersonLIKEallOFyou]

If I am not mistaken, Trumps lawyer, Rudy, had already called the guy and left voice mails. Trumps call was because he was desperate. Either way, a lawyer representing the president attempted to interfere in the Arizona election. You tell me what the difference is. Naturally, because of the republican controlled legislature, nothing will ever be done to Trump or Rudy in that case.

Why else would Trump call Hickman? He doesn't even know the guy.

Once again, an inference is being made which is exactly what you've done here. And guess what? I absolutely, 100% agree with your conclusion. It's just that the media shouldn't be presenting information that way.

"During pressure campaign to overturn election results Donald Trump tried twice to contact Arizona GOP leader, calls ignored"
That is a completely accurate statement with each part verifiable by facts.

Trump called an Arizona GOP leader to persuade him to change election results.​

That one is not. ​

This is likely rhetorical because I know you won't answer directly or honestly, but do you understand and see the difference in those two headlines? Each accompanied by the article that follows will probably lead the reader to the same conclusion by allowing the READER to draw the inference. That is the media's role, not to take their own inference and present it as fact.

 

[uptower]

Mr T never sleeps .

Always on the button .

That Liberal Fascist ( Clunt apparently ) such a scared wimp that he was frightened to talk to his President .

He refused to take calls from the most powerful man in the country (after Putin), who was pressuring him to break the law, and that makes him ‘scared’? That, dear friends, is standing up to a bully.

 

[uptower]

Once again, an inference is being made which is exactly what you've done here. And guess what? I absolutely, 100% agree with your conclusion. It's just that the media shouldn't be presenting information that way.

"During pressure campaign to overturn election results Donald Trump tried twice to contact Arizona GOP leader, calls ignored"
That is a completely accurate statement with each part verifiable by facts.

Trump called an Arizona GOP leader to persuade him to change election results.​

That one is not. ​

This is likely rhetorical because I know you won't answer directly or honestly, but do you understand and see the difference in those two headlines? Each accompanied by the article that follows will probably lead the reader to the same conclusion by allowing the READER to draw the inference. That is the media's role, not to take their own inference and present it as fact.

Nice play at semantics, but we know he made similar pressure calls to Georgia. In fact to Ukraine for that matter, but let’s not go there. And in those calls to Georgia he asked for similar election interference.

 

[ApersonLIKEallOFyou]

Nice play at semantics, but we know he made similar pressure calls to Georgia. In fact to Ukraine for that matter, but let’s not go there. And in those calls to Georgia he asked for similar election interference.

It’s not semantics, it’s just shoddy journalism.

 

[uptower]

It’s not semantics, it’s just shoddy journalism.

The journalism is fine - it’s another link uncovered in Trump’s well documented pattern of election interference. And it fits his MO. When his guys were already calling on Arizona officials to stop counting and he rings up in person, they knew it wasn’t to talk about golf.

 

[iguanaman]

Mr T never sleeps .

Always on the button .

That Liberal Fascist ( Clunt apparently ) such a scared wimp that he was frightened to talk to his President .

The one term mistake is not anyone's President now. He is just a sad loser and a bad loser too.

 

[Plasmaball]

Hickman said at that point he had already read a transcript of Trump's call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger
So Hickman is lying? And if Trump were to say he never said such a thing, he would be telling the truth?
See the disconnect here?

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Christ you just summed up every Athanasius68 post ever made on this forum

 

[D_NATURED]

Mr T never sleeps .

Always on the button .

That Liberal Fascist ( Clunt apparently ) such a scared wimp that he was frightened to talk to his President .

FYI, rather than use the oxymoron "liberal fascist", if you just admit you're a clueless clown it will save everyone ten seconds of laughing at you.

 

[prometeus]

Mr T never sleeps .

Always on the button .

That Liberal Fascist ( Clunt apparently ) such a scared wimp that he was frightened to talk to his President .

Trump the scumbag is not his president.

 

[code1211]

So you're saying that existing audio of Donald Trump attempting to interfere with a national election is propaganda? I think you missed it.

What it is, is a felony.

You are reading nonsense into rhetoric.

Trump was asking in his own circling and wandering method that the votes be counted accurately.

 

[code1211]

We have a recording of him trying to shake down the Georgia Secretary of State and change the results of the election, why on earth would you think he would not have tried the same thing in Arizona?

Why on Earth would you think that what was said in the Georgia recording(s) said what you assert that it says?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Why on Earth would you think that what was said in the Georgia recording(s) said what you assert that it says?

Because I listened to the recordings.

 

[The AntiDonald]

You are reading nonsense into rhetoric.

Trump was asking in his own circling and wandering method that the votes be counted accurately.

I believe he was asking that the votes be changed to reflect him the winner. He was desperate. He didn't care about any accurate counts, as long as they showed him the winner.

On another note, I would like to know how much overall this has cost the country in general? Including the insurrection. I'll bet it's in the billions. And for what? Trump will never win the 2020 election.

 

[code1211]

Ah, the old 'everyone does it' logical fallacy. Sorry, but there is a difference in degree. There is also the difference in intent, and that is to illegally overturn an election

All attempts to "overturn" the election were pursued by the president using legal means.

The delusion foisted upon you by the propagandists seems to have been sadly effective.

This says much about you and nothing about what happened in the real world.