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Trumpcare is born

Puigb said:
Trump was a Dem most of his life. I guess he wasn't paying taxes for most of his life then???
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I was a Democrat for a decade and more. Then I noticed the party changed dramatically. It looks nothing like it did back then. Whites were welcome.
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
I was a Democrat for a decade and more. Then I noticed the party changed dramatically. It looks nothing like it did back then. Whites were welcome.
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the majority of registered Democrats today are white...
 
Puigb said:
obviously you thought wrong.
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So did all those white folks in the upper midwest that elected Trump? Maybe you should reconsider.

Everybody knows the BLM and Latino's hate white folks.. They preach it everyday.
 
If the Democrats had put Sanders at the head of the DNC, it would have helped. But Perez will make this issue of race even worse than is has been. :2wave:
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
So did all those white folks in the upper midwest that elected Trump? Maybe you should reconsider.

Everybody knows the BLM and Latino's hate white folks.. They preach it everyday.
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stop with the victim mentality. It gets you nowhere.
 
Puigb said:
stop with the victim mentality. It gets you nowhere.
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Your party needs to stop with race baiting bull. It got you Trump. :mrgreen:

We get how your side accuses us of what your guilty of. We can read Saul Alynskies book to. :2wave:

Democrats are pro's at being victims. It is what they do best. Just ask the BLM or Latino's in your ranks.

Hillary is a victim of the vast right wing conspiracy. :roll: Never mind she is a serial liar, cheater, and probably committed treason as well. Her hubby likes to rape women to.

So I think your flat wrong. Democrats get no were in the mid terms. :mrgreen:
 
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Anagram said:
I don't think that's good messaging at all and I really dislike that aspect of the bill. Repeal or replace the ACA fine, depending on how it's done I could easily support that, but reducing the insured by 13 million relatively healthy people and doing nothing else to reduce the ACA's regulations will cause premiums to rise, maybe drastically.
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Reducing the insured by 13 million?

All this does is expand the ability of the individual to choose. If individuals choose to not participate, does that represent some kind of a draconian mandate?

If the premiums double over the next decade as they have over the last decade, will that be evidence of anything other than the greed of our healthcare providers?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/16/us-healthcare-costs-double-report_n_862677.html
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bearpoker said:
True, and the Republicans just obliged them. After this change, all future wrecking will be the Republicans fault.
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Your seem to be saying that wrecking a mandated, overpriced, overly invasive, non-responsive, poorly conceived, deceptively presented and horribly executed government expansion is a bad thing.

I respectfully disagree.
 
cuban smokes said:
in effect Trump took the ACA away from hard working families that require health care insurance & replaced it with corporate tax insurance for corporations

corporations are now 'insured' their tax bills will be dropping by double digits.

Seems pretty straight forward to me = the GOP cares more about corporations & Wall Street than John Q Main Street ..........
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I don't understand how you made the leap from the topic to this post.
 
CriticalThought said:
https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...ly-repealed-obamacare-with-tax-bill/23313338/

You own it now Trumpies!
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I've been thinking about this. I don't think as long as the ACA is referred to as Obamacare that one can convince the non-affiliated or those who don't follow politics on a daily or even weekly basis that Obamacare now is Trumpcare or the Republicans own it. The name itself is the reason. I also don't think it matters much when it comes to the midterms next November who owns healthcare.

That is going to be a referendum on Trump and his obnoxious persona that all but the avid Trumpers detest. It is very possible that most people have already made up their minds whom they will vote for next year. Just by studying the polls, rough figures show 50% of the electorate plan on voting for the Democratic candidates for congress, 40% for republicans with 10% undecided. This far out, that 10% undecided is pretty low from a historical view.

Obamacare will be a minor issue regardless of who convinces whom who owns it. The biggest issue will be Trump's unpresidential persona and the dislike of it by both Democrats and independents and a few Republicans. Even if this tax reform is a huge success, I doubt if that gets those who aren't avid Trumpers to vote Republican in the midterm. There will be no baggage laden, disliked Hillary Clinton running in 2018 to save them.
 
Trump/GOP repealed the ACA mandate. The ACA without the funding mandate is like a vehicle with the engine removed.

You broke it, you own it. The mess we have now is Trumpcare.
 
Perotista said:
That is going to be a referendum on Trump and his obnoxious persona that all but the avid Trumpers detest. It is very possible that most people have already made up their minds whom they will vote for next year. Just by studying the polls, rough figures show 50% of the electorate plan on voting for the Democratic candidates for congress, 40% for republicans with 10% undecided. This far out, that 10% undecided is pretty low from a historical view.

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The same pollsters who predicted a huge landslide win for Hillary?

You must be joking. :roll: Those idiots forget the heartland in their calculations. My bet is they don't have any idea, just as in the general of 2016.

You can not get an accurate answer out of left wing journalism. They threw out journalistic standards because Trump was to "dangerous" :roll:

With all the race baiting going on, the white vote will go right. The Democrats have done a fine job of removing many Midwestern white folks from their party.

Dems have no message and no money either. Could be a very long 7more years of Trump for them. :mrgreen:
 
cuban smokes said:
in effect Trump took the ACA away from hard working families that require health care insurance & replaced it with corporate tax insurance for corporations

corporations are now 'insured' their tax bills will be dropping by double digits.

Seems pretty straight forward to me = the GOP cares more about corporations & Wall Street than John Q Main Street ..........
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Meanwhile, the past dork sent billions to insurance companies.
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
The same pollsters who predicted a huge landslide win for Hillary?

You must be joking. :roll: Those idiots forget the heartland in their calculations. My bet is they don't have any idea, just as in the general of 2016.

You can not get an accurate answer out of left wing journalism. They threw out journalistic standards because Trump was to "dangerous" :roll:

With all the race baiting going on, the white vote will go right. The Democrats have done a fine job of removing many Midwestern white folks from their party.

Dems have no message and no money either. Could be a very long 7more years of Trump for them. :mrgreen:
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You're wrong. No landslide was predicted for Hillary Clinton. Here's a list of the last ten polls taken before the general election with RCP providing the average margin.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

As you can see, the polls predicted Hillary would win the national popular vote by 3 points, she won the national popular vote by 2. That means all the polls were pretty darn close and right on the money when one considers the polls have a margin of error of plus or minus 3 points. I would like you to show me where the polls predicted a landslide. They all predicted a very close race. I haven't the faintest idea where you and other Trump supporters get this landslide narrative. There was no such thing.

Not even in the electoral college was a landslide predicted. Once again here is RCP with their composite prediction. As you can see they list Clinton at 203 to Trump 164 with the rest tossups. That also isn't a landslide. Michigan, Pennsylvania are in the tossup column, although they got Wisconsin wrong having it go to Clinton. Somehow you bought into the wrong narrative, no landslide was predicted.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html
 
Perotista said:
You're wrong. No landslide was predicted for Hillary Clinton. Here's a list of the last ten polls taken before the general election with RCP providing the average margin.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

As you can see, the polls predicted Hillary would win the national popular vote by 3 points, she won the national popular vote by 2. That means all the polls were pretty darn close and right on the money when one considers the polls have a margin of error of plus or minus 3 points. I would like you to show me where the polls predicted a landslide. They all predicted a very close race. I haven't the faintest idea where you and other Trump supporters get this landslide narrative. There was no such thing.

Not even in the electoral college was a landslide predicted. Once again here is RCP with their composite prediction. As you can see they list Clinton at 203 to Trump 164 with the rest tossups. That also isn't a landslide. Michigan, Pennsylvania are in the tossup column, although they got Wisconsin wrong having it go to Clinton. Somehow you bought into the wrong narrative, no landslide was predicted.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html
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Real clear left winger politics you mean? :roll:

Partisan hacks, I never believe anything they say, and I am not alone. ALL the networks were expecting a Clinton win, and it wouldn't be close either. I don't need a left wing site who professes to be none partisan, when in fact they are, right along with Snopes.

Google "is real clear politics biased?" and see what I mean. Real clear anything is just left winger lies.
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
Real clear left winger politics you mean? :roll:

Partisan hacks, I never believe anything they say, and I am not alone. ALL the networks were expecting a Clinton win, and it wouldn't be close either. I don't need a left wing site who professes to be none partisan, when in fact they are, right along with Snopes.

Google "is real clear politics biased?" and see what I mean. Real clear anything is just left winger lies.
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If you want to stick to your false narrative, I can't help you. If you want to brand pollsters such as Fox News, IBD, Monmouth as left wing sites, so be it. Strange how perhaps the furthest left organization the LA Times had Trump in front.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Meanwhile, the past dork sent billions to insurance companies.
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yeah, it's pretty sad that so many millions that never had health insurance before were able to get it during the dork administration ...........
 
code1211 said:
Reducing the insured by 13 million?

All this does is expand the ability of the individual to choose. If individuals choose to not participate, does that represent some kind of a draconian mandate?

If the premiums double over the next decade as they have over the last decade, will that be evidence of anything other than the greed of our healthcare providers?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/16/us-healthcare-costs-double-report_n_862677.html
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I didn't say that the insured wouldn't be reduced by choice. I'm just saying what would happen. Less people would choose to buy health insurance. Those people are likely to be relatively healthy. That will cause premiums to rise as the insurance base becomes smaller and more sickly. This is compounded by the fact that the tax bill does nothing to remove most of the ACA's provisions. Insurers still can't discriminate on the basis of pre-existing conditions. They still can't offer less comprehensive plans than the ACA requires. Because they aren't removing the real meat of the ACA, getting rid of the mandate is just going to cause the price of insurance to increase even faster for everyone who wants it.

if they wanted to get rid of the mandate, and they should, they should have gotten rid of or changed most of the other ACA requirements.
 
Perotista said:
If you want to stick to your false narrative, I can't help you. If you want to brand pollsters such as Fox News, IBD, Monmouth as left wing sites, so be it. Strange how perhaps the furthest left organization the LA Times had Trump in front.
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Maybe not a land slide depending upon how you define it, but clearly the numbers show how Hillary was favored heavily enough the Dems were stunned. And not just in that one single election did they get stunned, it went all through Federal and State Government. :2wave:

NO money, no message, no clear leader, and very old people in the core of the party. Tired worn out message of racism and bigotry that no longer works.

Couple this with the steady drip of newly discovered miss deeds we find out about the DNC, and people just stay home....

Yes, you have a bright future to look forward to. :lol:
 
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