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Trump Withdraws U.S. From ‘One-Sided’ Iran Nuclear Deal

Objective Voice said:
As long as this deal was in affect, we didn't hear any anti-American sentiments from Iran. They were being cooperative and were pacified. Yet, within hours of Pres. Trump's announcement to pull out of the deal (which didn't come as a surprise to me), the Iranian parliament reconstituted its "Death to America" chants.
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Like https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/03/ayatollah-khamenei-iran-death-to-america Nov 3, 2015
Or https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/08/18/globalpost-iran-death-america-doesnt-mean-what-you-think-means/31910553/ Aug 18, 2015
Or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_sQ8kxtylg Mar 25, 2015
Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U.S.%E2%80%93Iran_naval_incident Jan 12, 201
Or https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iran-marks-revolution-death-america-chants-n516406 Feb 11, 2016
Or http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35553150 Feb 11, 2016
Or http://www.newsweek.com/iran-lawmakers-chant-death-america-vote-expand-missile-program-260-million-650396 Aug 14, 2017
Or https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11649/iran-regime-death Jan 1, 2018
Or https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11953/punished-chanting-death Mar 3, 2018
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Distant? Can you read a map? Europe is much closer to Iran than we are and they are in range of Iran's missiles too. Iran does not even have a missile that can reach the U.S.
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They are working on it.

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vegas giants said:
Name the base
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according to the article they are not allowed on any military bases. Jesus, I have to read you the article as well? You are wrong. Just admit it and move on. The deal was worthless.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Right, they're just funding the Taliban to keep them fighting the US as long as possible.



Right, they're just financing terrorism in Afghanistan and India.




Uprising? A protest movement is not an uprising. Occupy Wall Street wasn't an uprising. Furthermore, how is economic collapse a better thing? Why does Iran need more hardliners?

More importantly, the Iranians are rational actors, especially compared to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. It's a sad state of affairs that our enemies are more rational and reliable than our allies.
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Get back to me when you can leave out the sarcasm and avoid projecting. I am bored with that.

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JoeTrumps said:
according to the article they are not allowed on any military bases. Jesus, I have to read you the article as well? You are wrong. Just admit it and move on. The deal was worthless.
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The article is wrong. I posted the words of the actual deal. You lost this one bud
 
vegas giants said:
The article is wrong. I posted the words of the actual deal. You lost this one bud
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Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure

"Americans will not be allowed to inspect the military bases," said Mohammad Bagher Nobakht, a member of Iran's nuclear implementation committee, according to state television.
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Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure

How powerful is your ability to ignore reality and facts? that's two articles(one from Reuters, one for LA TIMES) that both say the same thing with direct quotes from Iranian leaders. What more do you want?

You drank way to much kool aid my friend.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure



Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure

How powerful is your ability to ignore reality and facts? that's two articles(one from Reuters, one for LA TIMES) that both say the same thing with direct quotes from Iranian leaders. What more do you want?

You drank way to much kool aid my friend.
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They are lying in a appeal to the hardliners. We ignored it because we have access to any site we want. Sorry dude
 
Jack Hays said:
Already amply demonstrated via quotes from Iranians. Not sure why you insist on denying the Iranians' own words.
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Well they call us satan too and I deny that too. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
They are lying in a appeal to the hardliners. We ignored it because we have access to any site we want. Sorry dude
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unless you can back that up with an OUNCE OF EVIDENCE then how can you claim victory. Use google. Show me proof they have been allowed into military bases. If it happened there is evidence it happened. Just saying "sorry dude" and walking away isn't how you debate. do you understand?
 
PeteEU said:
Only a moron would not know basic Iranian history before commenting on it.
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Indeed. The Shah would have returned to power regardless of anything done or not done by the British and/or Americans.

[h=3]What Really Happened in Iran - Foreign Affairs[/h]https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/middle-east/2014.../what-really-happened-iran
Conventional wisdom about the 1953 coup in Iran rests on the myth that the CIA toppled the country's democratically elected prime minister. In reality, the coup was primarily a domestic ... What Really Happened in Iran. The CIA, the Ouster of Mosaddeq, and the Restoration of the Shah. By Ray Takeyh ...
 
JoeTrumps said:
unless you can back that up with an OUNCE OF EVIDENCE then how can you claim victory. Use google. Show me proof they have been allowed into military bases. If it happened there is evidence it happened. Just saying "sorry dude" and walking away isn't how you debate. do you understand?
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Uh....I did. They were allowed on Pachin base. Already posted and no one denies this. I'm way ahead of you on this.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure



Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure

How powerful is your ability to ignore reality and facts? that's two articles(one from Reuters, one for LA TIMES) that both say the same thing with direct quotes from Iranian leaders. What more do you want?

You drank way to much kool aid my friend.
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From your link...
Inspectors with the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations organization tasked with monitoring Iran's nuclear facilities, have not requested access to military sites since the agreement went into effect, according to experts monitoring the process.
The IAEA, in its most recent report in June, said Iran was meeting its obligations under the pact. Experts say inspectors rely on intelligence reports and other information to determine whether sites they have not visited are being used for potentially illicit purposes.
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Why should the Iranians grant inspections that are not requested? I believe the IAEA is better equipped to determine whether Iran was complying than Niki Haley.
 
JoeTrumps said:
If you can't check the bases then the deal itself is worthless since a military base is the most likely location for a secret nuclear lab. Jesus, can't believe I have to explain the obvious to you people
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Inspection of military bases/installations/facilities was not part of the JCPOA. Others facilities were - both known and unknowns, i.e., waste water facilities, various technical labs/facilities associated with radiological labs, etc., etc., workshops and training facilities, heavy water construction facilities, etc., etc., any place suspected of being capable of developing nuclear fissile material. But military bases/installations/facilities were not part of the deal. Understandably. We wouldn't allow any other nation to just walk into any of our military bases/installations/facilities unhindered either.
 
Blue_State said:
Like https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/03/ayatollah-khamenei-iran-death-to-america Nov 3, 2015
Or https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/08/18/globalpost-iran-death-america-doesnt-mean-what-you-think-means/31910553/ Aug 18, 2015
Or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_sQ8kxtylg Mar 25, 2015
Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U.S.%E2%80%93Iran_naval_incident Jan 12, 201
Or https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iran-marks-revolution-death-america-chants-n516406 Feb 11, 2016
Or http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35553150 Feb 11, 2016
Or http://www.newsweek.com/iran-lawmakers-chant-death-america-vote-expand-missile-program-260-million-650396 Aug 14, 2017
Or https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11649/iran-regime-death Jan 1, 2018
Or https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11953/punished-chanting-death Mar 3, 2018
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Really? You're posting links to articles that clarify what "Death to America" means in the eyes of the Iranian religious regime not any concrete evidence that such chants were uttered by the Iranian people or its government since the Iran nuclear deal came in affect?

Get real.

Just so no one gets it twisted, I'm in no way supporting Iran's misbehavior. I think its religious government and military leadership acting as proxies to global terrorist activity is appalling. However, if the agreement which was decades in the making, supported by 5 major nations plus the U.S. and unanimously approved by the U.N. did not seek as a mandate to reel in Iran's behavior as "global sponsors of terrorism" but instead sought to prevent it from producing and/or acquiring a nuclear weapon of any sort, then we should continue to abide by our agreement as long as Iran abides by theirs. And so far, there has been no proof that Iran has been in material breach of said agreement.
 
Napoleon said:
Which is to say that we’re free to cast toothless demands into the wind.
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If you say so. I will be sure to remind you that our actions are toothless if you ever find yourself complaining about what we decide to do to iran.

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iguanaman said:
Which means Iran is free to throw out the inspectors and go back to what they were doing before.
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Yes they are free to do that if they choose to. They may not enjoy the consequences but they are free to test those waters.

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Phys251 said:
Such as what? And how would they come about? You do realize that it's a hell of a lot easier to blow up deals than to construct them, right?
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For starters they can put sanctions back in place

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JoeTrumps said:
Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure



Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure

How powerful is your ability to ignore reality and facts? that's two articles(one from Reuters, one for LA TIMES) that both say the same thing with direct quotes from Iranian leaders. What more do you want?

You drank way to much kool aid my friend.
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The fact is that the IAEA, i.e. the experts, didn’t believe it was necessary to inspect those facilities. The only reality you’ve pointed out here is that the U.S. tried and failed to use the agreement as a pretext for unrelated espionage.
 
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