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This effectively causes the last of Trump's narrative in defense of himself to evaporate. Since both David Pecker and Michael Cohen, along with the corroborating evidence the SDNY already has, support criminal intent on the part of Trump to engage in criminal conspiracy to commit campaign finance fraud, we should see trump's defense changing soon to "this crime isn't enough for impeachment."

Assuming the current rate of revelations remains consistent, Trump's narrative will turn to "You can't indict me; I'm the President" in under a month.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...nbc-news-confirms-n947536?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
 

His argument is "If you try to overturn an election on this sort of phony bologna BS the people will riot".
 
Hawkeye10 said:
His argument is "If you try to overturn an election on this sort of phony bologna BS the people will riot".
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If it's phony then he has nothing to worry about. Unfortunately, it's most likely not, considering what we even publicly know.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
His argument is "If you try to overturn an election on this sort of phony bologna BS the people will riot".
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Do you think that's a good argument for committing a crime?
 
Khayembii Communique said:
If it's phony then he has nothing to worry about. Unfortunately, it's most likely not, considering what we even publicly know.
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I figure that you may actually know what I am talking about but pretend that you dont, an uncivil act, but here goes the restate.....what is claimed happened and what almost certainly did happen is an extremely minor error, it is not worthy of the charging of a crime much less the grounds for the over turning of a free and fair election.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I figure that you may actually know what I am talking about but pretend that you dont, an uncivil act, but here goes the restate.....what is claimed happened and what almost certainly did happen is an extremely minor error
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If it is a felony then it isn't extremely minor.

It isn't an error because you don't get a pass for "accidentally" committing a felony.

, it is not worthy of the charging of a crime much less the over turning of a free and fair election.
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A crime is charged when a law is violated. If Trump violated the law then he should be charged for those violations. Which of these statements do you think is incorrect?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Do you think that's a good argument for committing a crime?
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I think that with as unjust as this so-called justice system is and with as corrupt as America is now "So-and-so did a crime" may or may not matter to me.
 
If you think this is damning I am not sure you get the actual defense against the changes, but then you post these "smoking gun" posts everyday so I guess you don't care.

One question. Fully acknowledging you believe trump deserves to be in jail. Do you think it violates the spirit of campaign finance laws to pay off woman against negative publicity?
 

You realize that during reelection (if he runs, Im not sure he will) that he will be begging his gatherings to reelect him so that they can't indict him?

Trumps secret service code name should be "dumpster fire".
 
High crimes and misdemeanors....

I'm no lawyer but isn't a felony considered a high crime?

If a sitting president is known to have committed a felony, and a felony is considered a high crime, would we not be amiss just to let it go unchallenged?

Are we, or are we not, a nation of laws?

Still, until Trump is proven, as a matter of fact, to have committed a felony, we are all getting ahead of ourselves.

Patience...

Soon come, mon. Soon come.
 

Cultists like Hawkeye here think that a felony is an extremely minor thing to do, and that it's very tough to not just accidentally commit one, so he should get a pass.

Not sure what that means for the rule of law. I suppose we should enforce laws based on how Hawkeye feels about them. Idk
 

We should fix the justice system, but almost no one ever has any interest in doing that....I have been talking about this for decades.
 
roughdraft274 said:
You realize that during reelection (if he runs, Im not sure he will) that he will be begging his gatherings to reelect him so that they can't indict him?

Trumps secret service code name should be "dumpster fire".
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Yes, if he runs, his opponent's claim will be that Trump is running for re-election for no better reason than to avoid indictment. And that opponent, whoever it ends up being, will be right (at least in part).
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We should fix the justice system, but almost no one ever has any interest in doing that....I have been talking about this for decades.
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What kind of fixes to the justice system do you want?
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Oh well in the mean time I guess we shouldn't enforce the laws
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I just think about how different a tune this lot would be singing if Clinton had got caught committing felonies.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We should fix the justice system, but almost no one ever has any interest in doing that....I have been talking about this for decades.
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Please point to all these quotes from you saying campaign finance laws are unjust. BE BETTER
 

As we learned from Clinton's impeachment, the American public does not care about the sex life of a President. Mueller is our generation's Ken Starr, and will be seen thusly after the smoke clears.
 
hawkeye10 said:
we should fix the justice system, but almost no one ever has any interest in doing that....i have been talking about this for decades.
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"lock her up!"
 

Lock him up!!!!
 
Hawkeye10 said:
His argument is "If you try to overturn an election on this sort of phony bologna BS the people will riot".
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Conservatives: they are all for the rule of law...until they aren't.
 
Kobie said:
What kind of fixes to the justice system do you want?
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First the problems must be defined and agreed to, then the possible fixes examined.....I want the justice system to practice justice, which will require massive reforms if we ever get interested in fixing it. Right now we are on a trajectory that will have my grandkids living in a corrupt police state, likely as bad as China is now.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
His argument is "If you try to overturn an election on this sort of phony bologna BS the people will riot".
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No, his argument is actually, "I'm mobbed up with the Russians and a lifelong fraud and conman, and I also have a hat made out of bacon."

DELICIOUS ASPARAGUS SOUP IS NOT MADE FROM FRUIT BATS
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Iwhat almost certainly did happen is an extremely minor error, it is not worthy of the charging of a crime .
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Sure, that's why the judge called it a serious crime, it's a felony, and is exactly NOT an error, but instead a sophisticated scheme perpetrated by 3 or more people to commit a felony.
Neapolitan on Fox this evening saying it's likely as many as 3 crimes...

Felonies Hawkeye10.

Trump nutters keep referring to "fines" and "civil" FEC resolutions but those are cases where it IS an error.
In Trump's case, it is well-evidenced to have been a criminal scheme, complete with obfuscation and lies to cover it up.
 
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