Trump to reinstate service members discharged for not getting COVID-19 vaccine

[Quag]

Military personnel are obligated to get vaccines have been for decades but the CT MAGA nutjobs decided that the COVID19 vaccine was evil or harmful or full of microchips or whatever idiotic BS they saw on the internet CT sites they visit so nutjobs who refused that one vaccine are heroes to them

Full List of Vaccines Mandated by the U.S. Military

The Department of Defense already administers 17 different vaccines to service members, but has recently added the COVID-19 vaccine to the list of mandatory ...

www.newsweek.com

MAGA is a cult ruled by a convicted felon, fraudster sexual predator and narcissist with the IQ of a rotting potato

Why do you want to rehire soldiers who refuse to follow orders?

 

[mike2810]

What I find interesting is how some seem to ignore what the OP said,
"Thank God Biden was not successful in his bid to implement a National Mandate for the dangerous experimental vaccine"

- To accept that statement one should hold President Trump during his first term for implementing Operation Warp Speed that rushed the vaccine to market.. Trump does take credit for that.
Why do Trump supporters not hold Trump accountable for making a "dangerous experimental vaccine" available to the US and world?

- Should the military eliminate requiring vaccinations of any kind when deploying service members to oversees assignment? If so, why?

 

[Mycroft]

So you’re admitting it was about the leader and not about serving the country. Got it.

sigh...

Never mind. I won't play your word games.

Bye.

 

[Mycroft]

What I find interesting is how some seem to ignore what the OP said,
"Thank God Biden was not successful in his bid to implement a National Mandate for the dangerous experimental vaccine"

- To accept that statement one should hold President Trump during his first term for implementing Operation Warp Speed that rushed the vaccine to market.. Trump does take credit for that.
Why do Trump supporters not hold Trump accountable for making a "dangerous experimental vaccine" available to the US and world?

Trump wanted a vaccine. Is he to be blamed because the pharma companies didn't provide one?

In any case, Trump never tried to force a national mandate to accept the vaccine.

- Should the military eliminate requiring vaccinations of any kind when deploying service members to oversees assignment? If so, why?

Strawman. Rejected.

 

[lynnwinslow]

sigh...

Never mind. I won't play your word games.

Bye.

No answer? I accept your concession.

 

[VanceMack]

That's a fair point, though I'm not sure critics of government agencies wouldn't have take much comfort in that honesty since much of it was the CDC figuring things out as they went along.

Then be honest.

Instead of making definitive declarative statements that were lies...they should have said..."we donty really know yet...but this is what we are recommending now." But they didnt. They made bold declarative statements that even today people are not just regurgitating but using as weapons against 'the other guys'. You know...the people that DIDNT just mindlessly and blindly follow the rhetoric. The people that were vilified...censored...hated....and were actually right all along.

But at the very least dont lie. Fauci lied. Constantly. Deliberately. And as a result generations of kids will be adversely impacted. Businesses and personal livelihoods were lost. Holy ****...the amount of people TODAY that are still mentally impacted by the side effects of the lies regarding social isolation is staggering.

And to remain topical...significant numbers of the military left the service, havent been adequately replaced because be honest....how many people were excited to join Bidens military? Certainly not the alternative lifestyle crowd they were pandering to.

 

[mike2810]

Trump wanted a vaccine. Is he to be blamed because the pharma companies didn't provide one?

He got a vaccine through Operation Warp Speed. If the vaccine was dangerous his Administration should not have allowed its use.

In any case, Trump never tried to force a national mandate to accept the vaccine.

True, Yet, he talks about how wonderful the vaccine is and how he got it to market so quickly.

Strawman. Rejected.

opinion noted.

 

[eohrnberger]

And this is because of...leftists? Let's climb into the wayback machine, shall we?

Trump, without evidence, accuses FDA of delaying coronavirus vaccine trials and pressures agency chief​

"President Donald Trump on Saturday accused, without providing any evidence, the US Food and Drug Administration of deliberately delaying coronavirus vaccine trials, pressuring the man he had picked to head the agency.

“The deep state, or whoever, over at the FDA is making it very difficult for drug companies to get people in order to test the vaccines and therapeutics,” Trump tweeted, continuing to push his unfounded theory that there is a “deep state” embedded within the government bureaucracy working against his reelection.

He accused the agency of delaying a vaccine for the virus until after the fall election, tweeting, “Obviously, they are hoping to delay the answer until after November 3rd. Must focus on speed, and saving lives!” Trump ended his tweet by tagging the Twitter account of FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn, who he nominated last year to take up the role."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/22/politics/trump-fda-coronavirus-vaccine/index.html

You've just acknowledged that the COVID vaccines were in fact experimental and unproven. Thanks.
You appear to believe that the government has the authority to mandate that people have to permit themselves to be injected with such an experimental and unproven vaccine.
It is a valid position to hold that the government doesn't have such an authority.

In fact, the government doesn't have the authority to force anyone to have anything injected into them against their will.
Oh how horrible it must be for you that there are limits to government power over people and what government can, and cannot do to people.

 

[eohrnberger]

A specific example of me engaging in it. Or are you just free wheeling?

They could already go back under Trump.

Nice try at retconning.
Too bad it failed.

"They could already go back under Trump."
The vaccine mandate was imposed by the Biden administration.
Trump has been in office how long now?

Perhaps you need to be more clear what you are trying to communication when posting?

 

[Lisa]

Who crammed the vaccines down gullible Americans throats?

That was Biden and Fauci.

Conservatives sure have a lot of things crammed down your throats. You talk about it so much.

 

[Mycroft]

He got a vaccine through Operation Warp Speed. If the vaccine was dangerous his Administration should not have allowed its use.

If he had known then what we know now, he wouldn't have.

True, Yet, he talks about how wonderful the vaccine is and how he got it to market so quickly.

Everyone thought it was wonderful.

But Trump never forced it upon anyone.

 

[eohrnberger]

If he had known then what we know now, he wouldn't have.


Everyone thought it was wonderful.

But Trump never forced it upon anyone.

. .. and therein lies the difference, a huge and significant difference.

 

[Grand Mal]

Are you blaming Trump...or Biden...for that cost?

Trumps the one paying it out. Or is the cult slant, "See? See what Biden made me do?"
Gawd you guys will believe any bloody thing your cult leader wants you to believe.
Any other vaccinations you want to be optional in the military?

 

[Grand Mal]

. .. and therein lies the difference, a huge and significant difference.

It's the military. You're supposed to do what you're told.
What else should be optional? What other vaccinations should they have the right to refuse?
What a bunch of confused people. Maga's- " Operation Warp Speed was a brilliant success!"
Also maga's- "I'm not taking any vaccine that was rushed past the testing phase!"

 

[ElChupacabra]

Then be honest.

Instead of making definitive declarative statements that were lies...they should have said..."we donty really know yet...but this is what we are recommending now." But they didnt. They made bold declarative statements that even today people are not just regurgitating but using as weapons against 'the other guys'. You know...the people that DIDNT just mindlessly and blindly follow the rhetoric. The people that were vilified...censored...hated....and were actually right all along.

I agree with this. There were better ways to communicate the fact they were still learning about the virus and how to mitigate it. The challenge from a communications perspective is if there's little certainty on the information provided, there's a good chance people wouldn't have heeded those recommendations.

But at the very least dont lie. Fauci lied. Constantly. Deliberately.

I do lying about mask effectiveness in the beginning just to protect mask inventory was a shot to the foot for obvious reasons. The other area that wasn't helpful was the certainty of the vaccine preventing transmission of COVID without the context of efficacy against variants.

And as a result generations of kids will be adversely impacted. Businesses and personal livelihoods were lost. Holy ****...the amount of people TODAY that are still mentally impacted by the side effects of the lies regarding social isolation is staggering.

I don't think there was going to be a way around of these issues regardless of the strategy. COVID was killing a lot of people initially, and regardless of what local governments were doing, the private sector was reacting accordingly. In urban centers, many companies of all sizes went remote before their local governments made it official.

And to remain topical...significant numbers of the military left the service, havent been adequately replaced because be honest....how many people were excited to join Bidens military? Certainly not the alternative lifestyle crowd they were pandering to.

I'm not sure why this is specific to Biden, since recruitment numbers have been going down for decades, including the last Trump term.

Source

 

[eohrnberger]

It's the military. You're supposed to do what you're told.
What else should be optional? What other vaccinations should they have the right to refuse?
What a bunch of confused people. Maga's- " Operation Warp Speed was a brilliant success!"
Also maga's- "I'm not taking any vaccine that was rushed past the testing phase!"

None of which changes anything in the post which started this sub-topic:

If he had known then what we know now, he wouldn't have.


Everyone thought it was wonderful.

But Trump never forced it upon anyone.

Nor

Well proven ones, yes. Not experimental and unproven ones. There's a difference.

nor

Good.
The government should not have the ability to force people to put experimental or unproved stuff into their bodies against their will.

 

[Grand Mal]

None of which changes anything in the post which started this sub-topic:

Nor

nor

It's the friggin' military. Those people were told to take the vaccine and refused. Fine, take a hike! Go work somewhere else!
But your Dear Leader wants to pose and posture and say, "Look what Biden made me do!" to the applause of his cult.
And now he's opened a door that you lot, if you think about it, should never have opened.
Kinda like when he declared his candidacy two years before the election and then said his candidacy should make him immune to prosecution. Election interference! That kind of door.

 

[eohrnberger]

It's the friggin' military. Those people were told to take the vaccine and refused. Fine, take a hike! Go work somewhere else!
But your Dear Leader wants to pose and posture and say, "Look what Biden made me do!" to the applause of his cult.
And now he's opened a door that you lot, if you think about it, should never have opened.
Kinda like when he declared his candidacy two years before the election and then said his candidacy should make him immune to prosecution. Election interference! That kind of door.

Seems this post is lacking logical and / or rational thinking.
The ranting is sure turned up to 11.

 

[Gatsby]

4 to 5 years is a long time and many have moved on. But the pack pay will go to all.

They will get their jobs back with back pay

So Trump is giving away a big pile of taxpayer money to people who aren't providing any service to the taxpayers. Government efficiency.

 

[Grand Mal]

Seems this post is lacking logical and / or rational thinking.

No it doesn't.
But it does seem like your slavish obedience to your Dear Leader makes you defend any stupid thing he does.

The ranting is sure turned up to 11.

Any other orders that should be optional? Is this the right starting to get woke? "What? They told you to take a vaccine that you didn't want to take? The horror! Here, have this hand-written apology and this retro-active cheque for the full amount. Want your job back? With any promotions you would have got? Of course! Anything to repair the hurt you suffered!"
It's all just posing, posturing.

 

[Showtime586]

Thank God Biden was not successful in his bid to implement a National Mandate for the dangerous experimental vaccine



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Trump to reinstate service members discharged for not getting COVID-19 vaccine

President Donald Trump to sign executive order reinstating military service members ousted because they declined COVID-19 vaccination.

www.foxnews.com

As usual, you are confused. The danger came from Trump's suggestion to ingest household bleach.

 

[Indlib]

Nope. Who insisted on the mandate? It wasn't Trump. This mess is all owned by Biden / Harris and it is their alone.

So after Trump ignored Fauci's advice on the EUA, threw billions of socialist money at big pharma, bullied his own agencies to hurry up and get the vaccine all while Trump claimed his vaccine was one of mankind's greatest achievements he has no cultpibility because of "mandates"?

What about those who were not mandated and took the vaccine based on Trump's accodades?

Do you care about those people?

 

[VanceMack]

I agree with this. There were better ways to communicate the fact they were still learning about the virus and how to mitigate it. The challenge from a communications perspective is if there's little certainty on the information provided, there's a good chance people wouldn't have heeded those recommendations.


I do lying about mask effectiveness in the beginning just to protect mask inventory was a shot to the foot for obvious reasons. The other area that wasn't helpful was the certainty of the vaccine preventing transmission of COVID without the context of efficacy against variants.


I don't think there was going to be a way around of these issues regardless of the strategy. COVID was killing a lot of people initially, and regardless of what local governments were doing, the private sector was reacting accordingly. In urban centers, many companies of all sizes went remote before their local governments made it official.


I'm not sure why this is specific to Biden, since recruitment numbers have been going down for decades, including the last Trump term.

Source

Why should people heed foolish recommendations? DO you know how many people today are still walking and riving with those silly masks hanging from their face? The ONLY masks that were viable were the N95 masks. So just say that. Anyone that has any experience whatsoever working in hospitals knows how silly it is to think that masks stop the spread of airborne ailments.

Again...the people dying were people already dying. They were so ridiculously obvious in trying to pump up the COVID death numbers that hospitals were being incentivized to call ANYTHING COVID related if there was any possibility the victim had or had been exposed to COVID.

As late as last year studies were showing how people are strill being impacted by COVID. I cant imagine the number of PTSD diagnosis we will ultimately see from all this. COVID related depression, anxiety, relationship issues, etc. What a ****ing mess.

As for the recruitment numbers...my point was more about how ridiculous it was to drive away combat tested service-members that were NOT widely vulnerable to death by COVID, especially BECAUSE their recruitment efforts have fallen flat. But the last 4 years hasnt helped...and in fact just made things worse.

 

[eohrnberger]

No it doesn't.

LOL. Sure, sure.

But it does seem like your slavish obedience to your Dear Leader makes you defend any stupid thing he does.

You keep banging away with this 'slavish obedience' or 'Dear Leader' crap when responding to me.
There is no such thinking for behavior on my part.
Such a false assertion directed in a response to me makes me inclined to stop reading right there, and scroll on past.

Any other orders that should be optional? Is this the right starting to get woke? "What? They told you to take a vaccine that you didn't want to take? The horror! Here, have this hand-written apology and this retro-active cheque for the full amount. Want your job back? With any promotions you would have got? Of course! Anything to repair the hurt you suffered!"
It's all just posing, posturing.

Keep spewing your invective bile and your bullshit.
I was quite clear in my reasoning in my previous post. You don't like? Well that's just too bad.

 

[eohrnberger]

So after Trump ignored Fauci's advice on the EUA, threw billions of socialist money at big pharma, bullied his own agencies to hurry up and get the vaccine all while Trump claimed his vaccine was one of mankind's greatest achievements he has no cultpibility because of "mandates"?

What about those who were not mandated and took the vaccine based on Trump's accodades?

Any mandating that people allow themselves to be injected when they didn't want it?
Nope.
So in other words, the injections were of each person's free will.

Do you care about those people?

You are falsely equating forcing someone to be injected with something they didn't want with caring about those people.
I see those things as two completely separate things, in fact forcing injections onto unwilling people, not caring about their decision for themselves, is NOT caring about them.