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Trump threatens Apple with a 25% tariff if it doesn’t build iPhones in America

Tim Apple is no Elon Musk. Tim is laughing at Elon. Trump raised the price of lithium. Apple can produce a zillion iPhone batteries with the amount of lithium Elon uses for one car. Poor Musk.

I find it fascinating that "importing" immigrants to do the jobs Americans don't want to do makes us a third world country, but "importing" jobs from third world countries that Americans don't want to do makes us great again.

It would be Orwellian if not so obviously obtuse.
Definitely. Another poster mentioned revitalizing tech programs in schools, but there's nothing baked into the larger agenda this administration has to address that in the slightest. We do need more of these skilled workers, but to do that we would have to lay the groundwork for making that happen.
 
Who will really benefit if apple Iphones are built in the US? Will it be the line worker or will it be the CEO and share holders of Apple? Trump did say he was going to make the US rich. He just didn't say who in the US will get rich.
The idea some have is doing so will bring back those jobs here, but don't paint the entire picture of what that means to the cost of the product or what those jobs would be. Bringing some manufacturing back isn't a bad thing at all, the question is what specifically should be targeted that will be a net benefit to the country.

imo, smart phones are getting way too expensive. I am not inclined to spend +$1K for a phone. I currently have a Iphone SE. meets my needs.
They are because they continue to evolve as pocket computers. I've long stopped considering them phones since so many people use them for other things other than calling each other. I suspect I spend more time using it to search things online or texting people than making phone calls.

imo, President Trump is getting carried away with his tariff game. In the end the US consumer will be the loser.
It does look that way.
 
Definitely. Another poster mentioned revitalizing tech programs in schools, but there's nothing baked into the larger agenda this administration has to address that in the slightest. We do need more of these skilled workers, but to do that we would have to lay the groundwork for making that happen.
Regarding tech (technical) programs in schools, that used to be useful in the 40's and 50s when there was a lot of employment in manufacturing. In 2024, U.S. manufacturing produced almost 10 times as much than in 1947 while employing 10% fewer workers.
 
The idea some have is doing so will bring back those jobs here, but don't paint the entire picture of what that means to the cost of the product or what those jobs would be. Bringing some manufacturing back isn't a bad thing at all, the question is what specifically should be targeted that will be a net benefit to the country.


They are because they continue to evolve as pocket computers. I've long stopped considering them phones since so many people use them for other things other than calling each other. I suspect I spend more time using it to search things online or texting people than making phone calls.


It does look that way.
The question is who decides what industries return and what industries stay abroad? If this is a capitalist society, then the companies should be the ones to figure out what makes sense using the profit motive. If we are changing to a socialist model of central planning, then the government decides. Historically, it's been a failure for government to micro-manage the economy. It's best when the government provides incentives for certain behavior.
 
The question is who decides what industries return and what industries stay abroad? If this is a capitalist society, then the companies should be the ones to figure out what makes sense using the profit motive. If we are changing to a socialist model of central planning, then the government decides. Historically, it's been a failure for government to micro-manage the economy. It's best when the government provides incentives for certain behavior.
Government can make that decision from a policy perspective if the industry (ies) in question are in the national interest. Much of how we've handled this in the past has been protectionist tariffs on imports of products manufactured here.
 
That's a reasonable take and agree there's tradeoffs when discussing trade and how our economy is structured.

Don't get the trust many give Trump and his advisors in accomplishing much in meaningful way because it's being done without detailed endgames. Investment in manufacturing here is good but so is investment in start ups, research, and in our markets. Think he's damaging investment here in other areas which offsets gains he possibly wants or gets by these trade wars.

Just don't have the confidence you and many have in a net benefit from what Trump is trying to do regarding trade.
You dont effect change in a very resistant model without being willing to turn over a few apple carts. Everyone agrees change is needed...and people that dont like how Trump is doing ti maybe should have done more to insist the democrats did it when THEY were in the office.

The markets are doing fine. If you look at what everyone has been freaking out regarding the market in the first 2 months you see an extremely normal; trend...and you will also find that all the losses are recovered.During the previous administration the drop was much more severe...and those complaining about the markets just dismissed ti.

The poutrage invariably comes down to who is in the oval office.
 
You dont effect change in a very resistant model without being willing to turn over a few apple carts. Everyone agrees change is needed...and people that dont like how Trump is doing ti maybe should have done more to insist the democrats did it when THEY were in office.

Think you have some consensus regarding trade with China needing do be addressed for some industries. The rest of tariffs and trade imbalances you have major disagreements. Jamie Dimon and Warren Buffet are two we have to take serious on what they think of tariffs and trade wars.

Dealing with China on several major issues is extremely complex and difficult. Maybe it works out, but again don't get where confidence Trump's way is going lead to better outcomes.
The markets are doing fine. If you look at what everyone has been freaking out regarding the market in the first 2 months you see an extremely normal; trend...and you will also find that all the losses are recovered.During the previous administration the drop was much more severe...and those complaining about the markets just dismissed ti.

The poutrage invariably comes down to who is in the oval office.
The markets regained what they lost. Five months in and we're about even for the year. Trump is causing uncertainty, which certainly is NOT normal for US Presidents. Also, Tariff threats continue to lock up funding for Start Ups. IPO 's are an important catalyst for healthy US Markets.
 
He's just winging it isn't he.

That has been the death of every attempt to create an ideologically consistent "trumpism" by those who want to pretend this is all some kind of master plan.

There is no plan. Whatever squirrel is winning the fight for the last nut in that man's brain is in charge for today, and they can switch positions at any time.
 

Here’s how much a made-in-America iPhone could cost​

By the numbers:
According to Wedbush Securities analyst Dan Ives, building an iPhone in the U.S. would increase its cost to at least $2,000—and potentially as high as $3,500. That’s due to labor, infrastructure, and the complexity of Apple’s supply chain.

 

Here’s how much a made-in-America iPhone could cost​

By the numbers:
According to Wedbush Securities analyst Dan Ives, building an iPhone in the U.S. would increase its cost to at least $2,000—and potentially as high as $3,500. That’s due to labor, infrastructure, and the complexity of Apple’s supply chain.

So Americans will pay $2,000 for an iPhone, the rest of the world will get them for $900.

Winning?
 
Think you have some consensus regarding trade with China needing do be addressed for some industries. The rest of tariffs and trade imbalances you have major disagreements. Jamie Dimon and Warren Buffet are two we have to take serious on what they think of tariffs and trade wars.

Dealing with China on several major issues is extremely complex and difficult. Maybe it works out, but again don't get where confidence Trump's way is going lead to better outcomes.
The markets regained what they lost. Five months in and we're about even for the year. Trump is causing uncertainty, which certainly is NOT normal for US Presidents. Also, Tariff threats continue to lock up funding for Start Ups. IPO 's are an important catalyst for healthy US Markets.
Tariffs if used at all might be OK in helping 3rd world countries develop an economy. Developed countries use not only tariffs but other exclusionary tactics to block US goods from their country yet enjoy open access to US markets.

We could probably come to an agreement if the standard was truly free and fair trade all around.
 
Explain why putting a tariff on an American owned company that manufactures outside of the US and then ships back to the US and sells at obscene profits makes sense?

Sorry...if something that clear doesnt "make sense" to you then nothing will.

Are you going full commie here?

Obscene profits!

Eat the rich!

Cast off your chains and seize the means of production from those Capitalist swine over at Apple!
 
Yeah 150% tariffs but the next day it will only be 10%

Not quite. It will be 150% on a Friday. Members of the crypto coin dinner sell.

The market opens low on Monday, then continues down with momentum.

Members of the crypto dinner buy Wednesday morning. Tariffs are only 10% Wednesday afternoon.
 
So Americans will pay $2,000 for an iPhone, the rest of the world will get them for $900.

Winning?

Americans will switch to Samsung.

Except for some diehard Apple fans who will pay $1400.

iPhones won’t get made in America, and any revenue from the Apple diehards paying the tariffs will be negated by the loss of repatriated profits from everyone else switching from an American company to a South Korean company, not to mention the impact the tariffs will have on the GDP.

Overall, a net loss of tax revenue and it will hurt consumers.

It is kinda fun watching the MAGAs try to defend the government seizing control of the means of production though, so it’s not all bad.
 
Admittedly, it was a long time ago. But the fact that Apple refused to even try is what soured me. And I was never convinced that was true anyway. Never mind the fact that their products are so grossly overpriced, they're laughable.
My son's Samsung phone cost him $1700. My iPhone 15 Pro $1000. I think it depends a lot on what you buy..Actually, that was the ticket price on my iPhone, but the actual price was $200, because I got it during a promotion that AT&T had. My husband's is the one that truly cost $1000.
 
Not an Apple person but seems to me that producing them in the States, whatever that means, would price them out of the market. Is that in the best interest of Americans?
and it is impossible for some of the parts that are produced are produced with materials not readily available in the US.
 
Which is why you came in with a "both sides" to defend the current administration and Republicans in general? I don't buy it.
yeah, he is absolutely not a non partisan....it is obvious in his posts. I am nauseated by the blather of 'both sides' **** the Republicans as they ceased to exist in 2015.
 




The only thing that is hilarious juvenile is watching you people shit yourselves over any and everything Trump says.
are you still convinced that the tariffs are actually going to affect the companies or other countries? Guess wh pays that....oh that is right, the average citizen does....and I say that to you from my Mac book and my iPhone 15 pro sitting beside it.
You don't even know how tariffs work, much less how and why certain things are produced outside the US.
 
Too late. Trump's tariff tantrums will not bring manufacturing back to the US.
Correct. The same stunt failed the last time he infected the White House. What's that definition of insanity? Oh yes, repeating the same mistake, hoping for a different outcome. Trump is incapable of learning from past mistakes; in his mush-brained estimation he's never wrong, doesn't make mistakes. Everyone else does... :ROFLMAO:

 
Are you going full commie here?

Obscene profits!

Eat the rich!

Cast off your chains and seize the means of production from those Capitalist swine over at Apple!
Not at all...and what a silly assertion. No...I'm not proposing state run anything. But I am (and have always been) opposed to US countries taking away jobs in the US and then bringing back their products for sale in the US.

For people that talk shit about the economy, you people seem to miss that really important part about needing consumers with jobs to sustain an economy. But for some reason "Tax the rich" and "income equity" remains your war cry.
 




The only thing that is hilarious juvenile is watching you people shit yourselves over any and everything Trump says.
I agree that the loss of some of the higher wage manufacturing jobs that are now being replaced with lower wage service based jobs is a bad thing, but tariffs are not going to reverse this trend.

The Federal Reserve Board found that the tariffs caused a reduction in manufacturing employment of 1.4%. Modest gains (0.3%) achieved by shielding domestic producers from foreign competition were “more than offset” by rising production costs for manufacturers who used steel as an input (-1.1%) and retaliatory tariffs (-0.7%).


Just like last time, there will be some modest gains in manufacturing jobs that will be completely negated by job losses due to rising production costs and retaliatory tariffs. And places where manufacturing is brought back won't see a lot of job creation because companies will move to automation to bring down costs.

As for the few people who will benefit from manufacturing returning due to the tariffs, they will still suffer from the higher cost of living the tariffs also bring.
 
Tim Apple is no Elon Musk. Tim is laughing at Elon. Trump raised the price of lithium. Apple can produce a zillion iPhone batteries with the amount of lithium Elon uses for one car. Poor Musk.

I find it fascinating that "importing" immigrants to do the jobs Americans don't want to do makes us a third world country, but "importing" jobs from third world countries that Americans don't want to do makes us great again.

It would be Orwellian if not so obviously obtuse.
That’s a great point.
 
Not at all...and what a silly assertion. No...I'm not proposing state run anything.

Yet you think it is great for the President to issue commands to private sector companies, and punish them for disobedience if they refuse.

Quite the distinction you are making there, Comrade.
 
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