Trump supporters suggest final solution to illegals -- "Shoot Them!"

[RaleBulgarian]

Your analysis makes sense, and I am no Trump fan. But Trump has a record of supporting violence, plus brutal policies on the border and hostility towards migrants, legal or not. So people on my lefty side easily assume what they do, given his careless and dangerous comments about violence to his supporters. A guy in the crowd joked about killing people. How refreshing would it have been had Donald said, “Sorry, I get it, but that’s not a laughing matter,” or something like that. The NY Times would have praised him, and he would have gained some support he has lost.

I agree with most of what you said after the first sentence. Captain Adverse was wrong to dismiss Trump’s comment as only a joke. Jokes are meant to be funny. Shooting people isn’t funny. Only at a Trump rally will folks feel comfortable shouting to kill others and the principle speaker try to make a joke of it.

 

[Mycroft]

I guess I missed this story. I was shocked seeing this. Trump is the anti-John McCain.

I wonder if you would dismiss Ilhan Omar doing the same at a rally where her supporters suggested the same about Jews.

When is it appropriate to joke about killing people?

You can read my remarks in the other thread. I see no reason to rehash it here just for your benefit.

 

[Mongidig]

Correct.

There's no point o arguing about what the moral thing to do with someone like you. It's like trying to tell a Nazi that it's wrong to murder Jews. If a person has a broken moral compass you can't convince them that what they believe is immoral.

These are poor people trying to feed their families. You have no compassion. OK.

I have no compassion for those who illegally enter the country! You support criminals. OK.

 

[Fletch]

The real question is why the media televises these Klan rallies.

Because they are not Klan rallies.

 

[HumblePi]

Trump rhetorically asks the crowd what we should do about these illegal immigrants at the border.

Someone in the crowd yells, "Shoot them!"

Trump could have ignored him. But he brought attention to him and laughed about it. The crowd cheered.

And that's why Trump is compared to Hitler. I can't understand how anyone is not completely disgusted by this. Shame on Republicans. McCain would have handled that completely differently.

Human life has no value to Trump unless it's someone who will vote for his re-election. Then and only then, do they matter-- but as a number only. When a man is complicit in forcefully removing children from their parents, even infants, and subjecting those children to both physical and psychological peril, it serves as prove of what a heartless human being he truly is. Migrant children have been sexually abused and raped --some have even died in US custody. If there is a God, there will be retribution for this and there will be retribution against a country that allowed it to happen.

 

[lwf]

Forgive me but I have to disagree with this section of your response.

IMO had Mr. Trump said anything like what you suggest, then neither the NYT nor any other proven anti-Trump media outlet would have reported it. Positive news reports from such media affect their credibility with the anti-Trump elements of our society and gain them no credit in the eye's of pro-Trump elements except as examples to poke anti-Trump elements in the eye with.

No, absent this little "joke" IMO there would be no news response at all. Just another "white supremacist rally" per one Forum member's post in this thread above; not worth any news consideration.

It will be a sad day when the President of the United States acting dignified and presidential becomes breaking news.

 

[Mongidig]

i agree that the media shouldn't cover his xenophobic cult rallies.

Have you ever been to one of his rallies? Or are you like the rest and lazily get your info from snippets on your radical left news sites?

 

[Captain Adverse]

I don't think anyone is denying that they are joking. But they are joking about murdering illegal aliens. That doesn't concern you?

In a word? No.

Words don't give offense, people TAKE offense. I've said this over and over throughout my tenure in this Forum.

I am of the George Carlin "Liberal" view of free speech and jokes. That's why I still like Bill Maher even though I don't agree with everything he jokes about. Many people use comedic plays on words to entertain, amuse, defuse, and sometimes to educate their audiences.

If you don't like the comedy you can vote with your feet and your pocketbook. In this case you can vote come next election.

Meanwhile, I don't agree with your view that this is more evidence of Trump's being a Nazi/White Supremacist/what-have-you. IMO it's just politics as usual. :coffeepap:

 

[lwf]

I have no compassion for those who illegally enter the country! You support criminals. OK.

Do you think all criminals deserve to be shot? Shoplifters? If not, how does crossing an imaginary border somehow equate to a crime deserving of the death penalty, when stealing a pack of gum from a convenience store does not?

 

[Helix]

Have you ever been to one of his rallies? Or are you like the rest and lazily get your info from snippets on your radical left news sites?

i don't go to racist cult rallies.

 

[Mongidig]

Human life has no value to Trump unless it's someone who will vote for his re-election. Then and only then, do they matter-- but as a number only. When a man is complicit in forcefully removing children from their parents, even infants, and subjecting those children to both physical and psychological peril, it serves as prove of what a heartless human being he truly is. Migrant children have been sexually abused and raped --some have even died in US custody. If there is a God, there will be retribution for this and there will be retribution against a country that allowed it to happen.

Your have reached a level of hate that actually makes you believe there might be a GOD. WOW!

How about blame the child abusing parents for putting their kids into harms way in the first place.

 

[Mongidig]

i don't go to racist cult rallies.

I don't either.

 

[lwf]

Have you ever been to one of his rallies? Or are you like the rest and lazily get your info from snippets on your radical left news sites?

I have been to a Trump rally. One of his first in Des Moines. The amount of naked racism and xenophobia was nothing less than sickening. They make sure to put the worst behind the cameras. Any supporters you see on TV in those rallies were chosen to be in the shot. The majority were far too extremist to be anywhere near the front. Anyone who says Trump didn't get the racist vote is a bold-faced liar. Racists and xenophobes help put Trump into office, and he knows it.

 

[Helix]

I don't either.

good choice.

 

[Mongidig]

Do you think all criminals deserve to be shot? Shoplifters? If not, how does crossing an imaginary border somehow equate to a crime deserving of the death penalty, when stealing a pack of gum from a convenience store does not?

I have never said that a person who illegally crosses a border is deserving of the death penalty. I do believe there should be significant deterrents to make these people think twice about making the trip.

I have no compassion for what happens to anybody after committing a crime. Don't commit crimes!

 

[Irwin Corey]

I have no compassion for those who illegally enter the country! You support criminals. OK.

Next time you're shopping in the produce department remember those words. Practically everything in you're putting in your cart will be YOU supporting those criminals.

 

[Mongidig]

I have been to a Trump rally. One of his first in Des Moines. The amount of naked racism and xenophobia was nothing less than sickening. They make sure to put the worst behind the cameras. Any supporters you see on TV in those rallies were chosen to be in the shot. The majority were far too extremist to be anywhere near the front. Anyone who says Trump didn't get the racist vote is a bold-faced liar. Racists and xenophobes help put Trump into office, and he knows it.

He plays to the crowd. I'm sure Des moines is a pretty racist place. My brother went to a rally in Colorado and said there was no racism at all. Hillary got the biggest racist vote since Democrats are more racist than Republicans in my opinion.

 

[Mongidig]

Next time you're shopping in the produce department remember those words. Practically everything in you're putting in your cart will be YOU supporting those criminals.

I don't eat avocados.

 

[Nickyjo]

There's a reason he doesn't do that statesman-like and very presidential thing.
It is a reason none of the Trump supporters will ever admit to.
Instead, driven by FEAR, they try to make it about leftist butthurt. That excuses them because once they have their addiction fix, nothing else matters, and they are indeed addicted to a drug called "sticking it to libtards" and all that is needed is the perception that they are doing so, even if it just an illusion.

This means that they are unwilling to even accept the notion that "joking about" things like this is tantamount to "speaking in code" as a means of tacitly agreeing with dangerous suggestions.
Trump supporters won't allow accountability for anything like this, because it forces them to realize that Trump does not place any value on human life whatsoever. Cheap props are cheap props, and they are expendable, but as long as that expendability lesson never hits home for them on an individual personal level, they are able to continue buying into Trump's illusions.

Just for the record, this is what separates Trump apart from any other Republican president.
I might still dislike Trump but if he were to ever DO the statesman-like and presidential thing, on matters such as this and others, I could at least respect him a little bit. Like most people, I can still respect someone that I disagree with.
It's when they disrespect the entire human race altogether that I can no longer respect them.

Cue WHATABOUTISM in three - - two - - one...
I am SURE that will be the response, because Trump supporters don't usually have any other response.

People will be analyzing Trump’s personality for decades. Shrink friend of mine suggests narcissistic personality disorder. He certainly comes up short on the empathy side. I would not judge his supporters so harshly. Like other pols, he is a tool for our concrete wishes on policy, or to satisfy our emotions about the world’s state with his style. If the economy falters, his support among his base will fade.

 

[HumblePi]

Your have reached a level of hate that actually makes you believe there might be a GOD. WOW!

How about blame the child abusing parents for putting their kids into harms way in the first place.

How about we just have some heart and stop blaming anyone and think of them instead, how about that?

 

[lwf]

I have never said that a person who illegally crosses a border is deserving of the death penalty. I do believe there should be significant deterrents to make these people think twice about making the trip.

I have no compassion for what happens to anybody after committing a crime. Don't commit crimes!

There is no deterrent that would be effective in stopping people from illegally coming into the United States. No amount of walls or personnel will ever deter migrants. It is a never-ending flood, and any deterrent we can possibly think of is nothing more than a Sisyphean effort to replace sandbags. If you don't want people entering the country illegally, then literally the ONLY thing you can do to stop it is to solve the problems in their country. By definition, if you don't think it is your responsibility to solve another country's problems, then you are welcoming massive illegal immigration into your own country. This is the tragic irony of nationalist nativism.

 

[Irwin Corey]

In a word? No.

Words don't give offense, people TAKE offense. I've said this over and over throughout my tenure in this Forum.

I am of the George Carlin "Liberal" view of free speech and jokes. That's why I still like Bill Maher even though I don't agree with everything he jokes about. Many people use comedic plays on words to entertain, amuse, defuse, and sometimes to educate their audiences.

If you don't like the comedy you can vote with your feet and your pocketbook. In this case you can vote come next election.

Meanwhile, I don't agree with your view that this is more evidence of Trump's being a Nazi/White Supremacist/what-have-you. IMO it's just politics as usual. :coffeepap:

I've read your previous posts and have chosen not to dignify them by responding. But, here you've crossed a line. tRump IS the leader of OUR country not the host of a TV show (which is the ONLY thing he's done successfully in his life); It used to be OUR President would be referred to as The Leader of the Free World but the World refuses to honor that dignity. And that's the point Donald tRump can say any **** he likes, the President of the United States, THE Leader of the Free World CAN"T. You can bet your ass Barack Obama (or Ronald Regan, or Bill Clinton or Bush I or any other previous PRESIDENT) wouldn't have laughed or made light of that comment and most certainly would have taken time to put that person in their place; That IS what is expected of The President of The United States.<--PERIOD!!!!

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Words don't give offense, people TAKE offense. I've said this over and over throughout my tenure in this Forum.

That idea is worthy in many situations but if you blindly apply it to all situations it's absurd. Are you saying there is nothing Trump or anyone could say that would offend you?

If they joked about lynching Blacks would that you accept that too?

Someone here said the simple truth, it's not funny to joke about killing people. That should be obvious.

If the "shoot them!" joke were about Blacks, Jews, Christians then more people would be offended. But Trump has created an atmosphere where it's acceptable to joke about shooting illegal immigrants. It's acceptable to "joke" about rounding them up in your pick up truck.

It's absurd that I have to argue with you that joking about murdering people is not funny and is cause for concern.

 

[lwf]

He plays to the crowd. I'm sure Des moines is a pretty racist place. My brother went to a rally in Colorado and said there was no racism at all. Hillary got the biggest racist vote since Democrats are more racist than Republicans in my opinion.

There is racism everywhere. Fortunately they are in the minority, including in Des Moines. But Trump manages to draw them together wherever he goes.

I suspect that you and your brother have a different definition of racism than I do.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I have never said that a person who illegally crosses a border is deserving of the death penalty. I do believe there should be significant deterrents to make these people think twice about making the trip.

I have no compassion for what happens to anybody after committing a crime. Don't commit crimes!

No need for you to clarify your already clear position. You have no compassion. Got it.

FYI, crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor civil offense for first time crossers, which make up the majority.