Trump suggests ethnically cleansing Gaza

[j brown's body]

ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE (AP) — President Donald Trump said Saturday he’d like to see Jordan, Egypt and other Arab nations increase the number of Palestinian refugees they are accepting from the Gaza Strip — potentially moving out enough of the population to “just clean out” the war-torn area to create a virtual clean slate.

...Trump has offered non-traditional views on the future of Gaza in the past. He suggested after he was inaugurated on Monday that Gaza has “really got to be rebuilt in a different way.”

The new president added then, ”Gaza is interesting. It’s a phenomenal location, on the sea. The best weather, you know, everything is good. It’s like, some beautiful things could be done with it, but it’s very interesting.”


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Seems complicated.

Its sort of weird, in a way, like one of those Russian dolls - he suggests they be expelled from their land because of problems with the arrival of another group that was basically expelled from where they were.

Where can we we send the Palestinians that would necessitate the expulsion of an even small group, to keep the insanity going.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Good job Gaza protesters.

 

[KingLeo]

Decoding Trump speak.

"Do whatever you want to the Palestinians Netanyahu, the US will look the other away. And if you're successful and need a Trump hotel in Gaza give me a call."

 

[ElChupacabra]

You’re talking about probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing and say, ‘You know, it’s over'.

The full context of this is interesting because in part it's a call to move Palestinians to these other countries "either temporary or long term", which is much more in line with what the Israeli right wingers have been pushing for quite some time. Israel had been pressuring Egypt to take more Palestinians from Gaza, which Egypt rejected because aside from not wanting militants hostile to their government, also didn't want to help Israel clear Palestinians out; Jordan took the same position. I strongly suspect Trump will be backing Israel's "voluntary migration" plan.

 

[Serenity]

Good job Gaza protesters.

Pity you couldn't actually find a candidate to beat someone touted as the worst president ever.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Pity you couldn't actually find a candidate to beat someone touted as the worst president ever.

No one could beat Trump. He is who we are.

 

[Integrityrespec]

ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE (AP) — President Donald Trump said Saturday he’d like to see Jordan, Egypt and other Arab nations increase the number of Palestinian refugees they are accepting from the Gaza Strip — potentially moving out enough of the population to “just clean out” the war-torn area to create a virtual clean slate.

...Trump has offered non-traditional views on the future of Gaza in the past. He suggested after he was inaugurated on Monday that Gaza has “really got to be rebuilt in a different way.”

The new president added then, ”Gaza is interesting. It’s a phenomenal location, on the sea. The best weather, you know, everything is good. It’s like, some beautiful things could be done with it, but it’s very interesting.”


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Seems complicated.

Its sort of weird, in a way, like one of those Russian dolls - he suggests they be expelled from their land because of problems with the arrival of another group that was basically expelled from where they were.

Where can we we send the Palestinians that would necessitate the expulsion of an even small group, to keep the insanity going.

Does anyone really expect a lasting peace in Gaza with the Palestinians and Hamas living next to the Jews in Israel.

 

[Redress]

Pity you couldn't actually find a candidate to beat someone touted as the worst president ever.

Oh sure, rub it in...

 

[Serenity]

Oh sure, rub it in...

Perhaps the poster I quoted will stop trying to blame Gaza supporters for anything Trump does. That's on Trump, not them. They had nothing to do with Gaza's destruction and nobody should be targeted for holding the position that Gazan civilians lives are just as valuable as anyone elses.

Gaza has already been destroyed. They are homeless, lack basic necessities, their infrastructure is gone and there is no functioning healthcare system. It will take decades to rebuild.

Decades.

Yet partisans want to have a go at people who dared recognise that Palestinian civilians were also caught up in the conflict.

I don't support any kind of ethnic cleansing but I do hope that some of the other countries help get the civilians out of there so that they and their children can have a better life. There is no future there. There is nothing left.

The last phase of the peace plan may actually never happen at all.

 

[Redress]

Perhaps the poster I quoted will stop trying to blame Gaza supporters for anything Trump does. That's on Trump, not them. They had nothing to do with Gaza's destruction and nobody should be targeted for holding the position that Gazan civilians lives are just as valuable as anyone elses.

Gaza has already been destroyed. They are homeless, lack basic necessities, their infrastructure is gone and there is no functioning healthcare system. It will take decades to rebuild.

Decades.

Yet partisans want to have a go at people who dared recognise that Palestinian civilians were also caught up in the conflict.

I don't support any kind of ethnic cleansing but I do hope that some of the other countries help get the civilians out of there so that they and their children can have a better life. There is no future there. There is nothing left.

The last phase of the peace plan may actually never happen at all.

I was just trying to make a lighthearted joke. Admittedly in probably the worst place possible. Gaza is an absolute horror show. No one deserves to go through the hell that Gazans have gone through. I find it especially sad that a few people on both sides make decisions that will perpetuate the conflict and lead to death and destruction for both Israelis and Palestinians, who mostly just want to live their lives. The leadership of Palestine and Israel are planning a game against each other, but the losers are the common folks they are supposed to support.

 

[Loulit01]

The Palestinians can't win. When they're peaceful Israel creates new settlements in the West Bank illegally. The Palestinians have very little land and Israel continues to encroach on the little there is in violation of international treaties Israel signed.

Israel treats Palestinians in much the same way the United States treated Native Americans. And in much the same way, the international community ignores every treaty violation. What can the Palestinians do? They have no recourse. So they turn to terrorism and become the villains.

I'm not in favor of terrorism but the Palestinians have no other way to fight.

I have no solution. Both sides behave abominably.

 

[uptower]

Has he seen the place lately?

 

[yankintx]

Trump could always let the US be a safe haven for millions of Palestinians.

 

[yankintx]

The full context of this is interesting because in part it's a call to move Palestinians to these other countries "either temporary or long term", which is much more in line with what the Israeli right wingers have been pushing for quite some time. Israel had been pressuring Egypt to take more Palestinians from Gaza, which Egypt rejected because aside from not wanting militants hostile to their government, also didn't want to help Israel clear Palestinians out; Jordan took the same position. I strongly suspect Trump will be backing Israel's "voluntary migration" plan.

How many Palestinians will Trump take in, to help shoulder the burden ?

 

[Northern Light]

ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE (AP) — President Donald Trump said Saturday he’d like to see Jordan, Egypt and other Arab nations increase the number of Palestinian refugees they are accepting from the Gaza Strip — potentially moving out enough of the population to “just clean out” the war-torn area to create a virtual clean slate.

...Trump has offered non-traditional views on the future of Gaza in the past. He suggested after he was inaugurated on Monday that Gaza has “really got to be rebuilt in a different way.”

The new president added then, ”Gaza is interesting. It’s a phenomenal location, on the sea. The best weather, you know, everything is good. It’s like, some beautiful things could be done with it, but it’s very interesting.”


Link

Seems complicated.

Its sort of weird, in a way, like one of those Russian dolls - he suggests they be expelled from their land because of problems with the arrival of another group that was basically expelled from where they were.

Where can we we send the Palestinians that would necessitate the expulsion of an even small group, to keep the insanity going.

What do any of these quotes have to do with "ethnic cleansing"? He's talking about relocation.

The article does not match what you're claiming he said whatsoever.

I am so sick of the blatant lying.

 

[Cosmo]

Wait I thought taking in people from poor countries was a good thing.

Trump could always let the US be a safe haven for millions of Palestinians.

OK but they have to stay in New York City which we then wall off from the rest of the country.


On a more serious note, here is what Gaza's Muslim neighbor thinks of them:

What’s happening in Gaza’s Rafah as Israel threatens to attack?

Over a million Palestinians are trapped at Gaza’s southernmost point, with the Israeli army preparing a ground attack.

www.aljazeera.com

Egypt has reportedly moved 40 tanks and armoured personnel carriers to the Gaza border to halt any potential spillover from an Israeli land assault.

Egypt has warned that any Israeli ground assault on Rafah would have “disastrous consequences” and that Israel’s aim to force the Palestinians out of their land would threaten the 40-year-old Camp David peace accord between the two countries.

Yes they moved tanks to the border and threatened to go to war. That's how little they wants those Gaza denizens spilling into their lands.

 

[Slartibartfast]

What do any of these quotes have to do with "ethnic cleansing"? He's talking about relocation.

The article does not match what you're claiming he said whatsoever.

I am so sick of the blatant lying.

Ethnic cleansing | War Crimes & Genocide Prevention | Britannica

Ethnic cleansing, the attempt to create ethnically homogeneous geographic areas through the deportation or forcible displacement of persons belonging to particular ethnic groups. Ethnic cleansing sometimes involves the removal of all physical vestiges of the targeted group through the destruction

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ethnic cleansing, the attempt to create ethnically homogeneous geographic areas through the deportation or forcible displacement of persons belonging to particular ethnic groups. Ethnic cleansing sometimes involves the removal of all physical vestiges of the targeted group through the destruction of monuments, cemeteries, and houses of worship.

The term ethnic cleansing, a literal translation of the Serbo-Croatian phrase etnicko ciscenje, was widely employed in the 1990s (though the term first appeared earlier) to describe the brutal treatment of various civilian groups in the conflicts that erupted upon the disintegration of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. These groups included Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbs in the Krajina region of Croatia, and ethnic Albanians and later Serbs in the Serbian province of Kosovo. The term also has been attached to the treatment by Indonesian militants of the people of East Timor, many of whom were killed or forced to abandon their homes after citizens there voted in favour of independence in 1999, and to the plight of Chechens who fled Grozny and other areas of Chechnya following Russian military operations against Chechen separatists during the 1990s

 

[CaughtInThe]

Pity you couldn't actually find a candidate to beat someone touted as the worst president ever.

Yes, it's Democrats fault that an evil conman used his one special power and played so many voters and other people hurt Democrats by pounding on Democrats for everything instead of uniting to keep evil out of the White House.

But I guess the ethnic cleansing and the condos in Gaza will have been worth it.

 

[ElChupacabra]

How many Palestinians will Trump take in, to help shoulder the burden ?

About as many Afghans who helped the US.

 

[yankintx]

Wait I thought taking in people from poor countries was a good thing.


OK but they have to stay in New York City which we then wall off from the rest of the country.
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On a more serious note, here is what Gaza's Muslim neighbor thinks of them:

What’s happening in Gaza’s Rafah as Israel threatens to attack?

Over a million Palestinians are trapped at Gaza’s southernmost point, with the Israeli army preparing a ground attack.

www.aljazeera.com

Yes they moved tanks to the border and threatened to go to war. That's how little they wants those Gaza denizens spilling into their lands.

About as many Afghans who helped the US.

Poor diversion

So no help from Trump ?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Poor diversion

So no help from Trump ?

I wasn't trying to divert, and thought the reference would be obvious. The current administration just changed policy, so Afghans who aided the US during the US war against the Taliban and were on a list to come here are now stuck in Afghanistan after their flight was cancelled. Now if the Afghans who aided the US aren't acceptable, the chances the current administration will help Palestinians who Trump has derided, are very slim.

The more likely outcome is Trump will be sympathetic to Likud's "voluntary migration" policy, and with much of northern Gaza a pile of rubble, Trump is chiming in with what sounds like an endorsement given his ambiguity of how long Palestinians who'd go to Egypt or Jordan would stay there. I'm fairly certain Israel's current government has no interest in rebuilding Gaza for Palestinians. With a government filled with nutters like Smotrich, don't expect much in terms of help for Palestinians.

 

[j brown's body]

What do any of these quotes have to do with "ethnic cleansing"? He's talking about relocation.

The article does not match what you're claiming he said whatsoever.

I am so sick of the blatant lying.

He said an area had to "cleaned out" of a particular ethnic group.

 

[Craig234]

Its sort of weird, in a way, like one of those Russian dolls - he suggests they be expelled from their land because of problems with the arrival of another group that was basically expelled from where they were.

The 'other group' wasn't so much 'expelled from where they were'. There was a bit of that AFTER the colonialism and attacks began, but some of it was things like the colonialists committing terrorism against their 'own people' in other countries to try to get them to move to the colonialist state. It's all driven by the colonialist criminals. There's no equating that with the Palestinian victims of their crimes.

Where can we we send the Palestinians that would necessitate the expulsion of an even small group, to keep the insanity going.

Where can we send the colonialists and return the land to its occupants?

 

[yankintx]

I wasn't trying to divert, and thought the reference would be obvious. The current administration just changed policy, so Afghans who aided the US during the US war against the Taliban and were on a list to come here are now stuck in Afghanistan after their flight was cancelled. Now if the Afghans who aided the US aren't acceptable, the chances the current administration will help Palestinians who Trump has derided, are very slim.

The citation is a tweet

Anyone can post whatever on Twitter

It's not supported by clinical studies or peer confirmation.

Do you understand peer confirmation?

 

[j brown's body]

Perhaps the poster I quoted will stop trying to blame Gaza supporters for anything Trump does. That's on Trump, not them. They had nothing to do with Gaza's destruction and nobody should be targeted for holding the position that Gazan civilians lives are just as valuable as anyone elses.

Gaza has already been destroyed. They are homeless, lack basic necessities, their infrastructure is gone and there is no functioning healthcare system. It will take decades to rebuild.

Decades.

Yet partisans want to have a go at people who dared recognise that Palestinian civilians were also caught up in the conflict.

I don't support any kind of ethnic cleansing but I do hope that some of the other countries help get the civilians out of there so that they and their children can have a better life. There is no future there. There is nothing left.

The last phase of the peace plan may actually never happen at all.

Maybe they can take out their frustration of losing their Homeland to Israel on someone else.