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Trump Should Be Removed from Office

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And, in mixing Religion and Politics, the magazine Christianity Today ( founded by Billy Graham) said that Trump should be removed.

Trump Should Be Removed from Office | Christianity Today

It starts off with

In our founding documents, Billy Graham explains that Christianity Today will help evangelical Christians interpret the news in a manner that reflects their faith. The impeachment of Donald Trump is a significant event in the story of our republic. It requires comment.

And further down, it comments

This concern for the character of our national leader is not new in CT. In 1998, we wrote this:

The President's failure to tell the truth—even when cornered—rips at the fabric of the nation. This is not a private affair. For above all, social intercourse is built on a presumption of trust: trust that the milk your grocer sells you is wholesome and pure; trust that the money you put in your bank can be taken out of the bank; trust that your babysitter, firefighters, clergy, and ambulance drivers will all do their best. And while politicians are notorious for breaking campaign promises, while in office they have a fundamental obligation to uphold our trust in them and to live by the law.

And this:

Unsavory dealings and immoral acts by the President and those close to him have rendered this administration morally unable to lead.

Unfortunately, the words that we applied to Mr. Clinton 20 years ago apply almost perfectly to our current president. Whether Mr. Trump should be removed from office by the Senate or by popular vote next election—that is a matter of prudential judgment. That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments.

To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?
 
So are the next four weeks just going to be a continuous regressive circle-jerk?
Because if so, I'll just wait to come back after the man wins reelection.
 
So are the next four weeks just going to be a continuous regressive circle-jerk?
Because if so, I'll just wait to come back after the man wins reelection.

Oh please don't tease us, just leave. :lamo
 
So are the next four weeks just going to be a continuous regressive circle-jerk?
Because if so, I'll just wait to come back after the man wins reelection.

The question is why you commented at all. Seems to me the article made a series of good points. You should read it and comment on it if you disagree. Otherwise, no one will miss you on this thread.

But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.

The reason many are not shocked about this is that this president has dumbed down the idea of morality in his administration. He has hired and fired a number of people who are now convicted criminals. He himself has admitted to immoral actions in business and his relationship with women, about which he remains proud. His Twitter feed alone—with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slanders—is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.

I can't find anything to dispute there, can you?
 
So are the next four weeks just going to be a continuous regressive circle-jerk?
Because if so, I'll just wait to come back after the man wins reelection.

Better bring a winter coat, Hell gets very cold when it freezes over.
 
Are the lib Trump haters going to suddenly get religion?

You're so funny, you people always think that 65% of this country that hates Trump don't have any religion, you couldn't be more wrong. It's shear ignorance to believe that, nothing more.
 
I would not bet the farm on that

That is your opinion. No one thought he was going to win election last time, and this time around he's had no real competition from the democrats as is.

This impeachment show was nothing but that, a show.
 
Oh please don't tease us, just leave. :lamo

I'd be free from the idiocy and lies that keep getting spewed by your side, you know that right?

Not to mention being free from watching you lot repeatedly stroke one another.
 
The question is why you commented at all. Seems to me the article made a series of good points. You should read it and comment on it if you disagree. Otherwise, no one will miss you on this thread.

I can't find anything to dispute there, can you?

But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.

You do realize that none of this claim was actually proven right?
 
Better bring a winter coat, Hell gets very cold when it freezes over.

Speaking from experience I see. Then again, I'm not the one forgetting what happened in 2016.

The man has no real opponent in this election and the democrats are too busy jacking each other off over this impeachment circus. To even realize that they've spent the last few months burning their own house down, and they haven't even completely forced Trump out yet.
 
I'd be free from the idiocy and lies that keep getting spewed by your side, you know that right?

Not to mention being free from watching you lot repeatedly stroke one another.

Great so go chase the dream and LEAVE! Run, don’t walk to that door. Hurry!
 
Great so go chase the dream and LEAVE! Run, don’t walk to that door. Hurry!

More like I just close the browser window. But nice try at being somewhat close to the conversation at least.

Though you also might want to work at making your diatribes not so limp wristed in the future. It helps others take you more seriously.
 
For some value of "proven" you are right.

Given what was revealed in the transcript and even spoken about during testimony. None of what was stated there is actually true.

No one even came close to it during the impeachment hearings, and even when it was brought up. It was with no 1st hand knowledge of the topic, or it was only assumed to be what was going on.
 
I'd be free from the idiocy and lies that keep getting spewed by your side, you know that right?

Not to mention being free from watching you lot repeatedly stroke one another.

Sounds a bit like 'stroke-envy' to me.
 
More like I just close the browser window. But nice try at being somewhat close to the conversation at least.

Though you also might want to work at making your diatribes not so limp wristed in the future. It helps others take you more seriously.

Limp wristed is your threatening to leave and then don’t. :lamo
 
Given what was revealed in the transcript and even spoken about during testimony. None of what was stated there is actually true.
No one even came close to it during the impeachment hearings, and even when it was brought up. It was with no 1st hand knowledge of the topic, or it was only assumed to be what was going on.
So you say.
 
You do realize that none of this claim was actually proven right?

Was proven beyond all reasonable doubt to me. The "perfect" phone call was enough to convince me, and that's before everyone on the ground in Ukraine testified to the attempt "to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents." Rudy, his personal attorney, said he was proud of his efforts to coerce Ukraine to do just that, admitted last week he got Yovanovitch ousted to facilitate it.

And that was just part of the argument made in that article.

To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?

To the bolded - no. That's been a surprise actually, how thoroughly and enthusiastically the evangelicals in politics have bear hugged a serial liar, womanizer and adulterer, life long con man, and a man without any discernible principles except his own malignant narcissism. I get reluctantly supporting him versus a godless Democrat!!, but that's not what happened - they've EMBRACED the man.

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For some value of "proven" you are right.

No, he's not. There is no question Trump attempted to "coerce" Ukraine into investigating Biden. The phone call shows it - 6 or 8 times he said he wanted Z to work with Rudy and/or Barr on those investigations. When the President asks for a "favor," it's to "coerce" the country whose very existence might depend on that support into granting it. The dispute is whether the QPQ was "proven." It doesn't need to be to prove that the attempt to coerce was obvious, blatant, and confirmed by any number of witnesses, including Trump, Mulvaney, and Rudy, not to mention Sondland, Taylor, et al.
 
Speaking from experience I see. Then again, I'm not the one forgetting what happened in 2016.

The man has no real opponent in this election and the democrats are too busy jacking each other off over this impeachment circus. To even realize that they've spent the last few months burning their own house down, and they haven't even completely forced Trump out yet.

If you're going to present some sort of metaphors here, you may want to remember what a 'house of cards' is. That's precisely what Trump's entire administration has been constructed upon. A house with a foundation that's vulnerable. From his firing of James Comey, to his Oval Office meeting with the two Russian top spies to his abandoning the Kurds and his attempt to manipulate a foreign country that's in dire need of military aid, it's all been a series of events that would sooner or later uncover his sinister motivations which are nothing more elaborate than common greed, thirst for power and allegiance to the one master he serves, which is Vladimir Putin. His impeachment is only the first defeat of the republican party, it will not be their last.
 
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