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Trump screams and curses at Zelensky for refusing to surrender to Putin

Luce said:
Like the one Russia is engaging in?
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Russia is defending its own lands illegally stolen by Soviet Ukraine .
The West is trying to turn Ukraine into its colony . It will continue to do the same thing with other parts of Russia .
 
dandolo2k said:
Russia is defending its own lands illegally stolen by Soviet Ukraine .
The West is trying to turn Ukraine into its colony . It will continue to do the same thing with other parts of Russia .
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Wait. So this ISN'T about "denazification" and the whole Donbass thing?

You People need to get your stories straight.
 
Bullseye said:
'and yet I call Trump the second-worst candidate in two of the three elections he's run.
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Trump is not second to anybody. He is hands down the worst President in history.....twice.

Trump’s Legacy: The Worst President In History & A Lifetime Of Failure​

President Donald Trump has moved swiftly in the early weeks of his second presidency with a game plan based on anger, hate, revenge, and destruction. He appears to be out to turn our democracy into an autocracy.

Trump, assisted by his partner Elon Musk, is conducting a frontal assault on our government and civil service on the one hand, while hawking Musk’s Teslas on the White House lawn on the other.
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Trump has twice been elected President, but those political victories and his endless self-promotion should not distract us from the bigger picture. Trump has lived a life of failure – in business, in government, and in trying to rewrite his personal history.

Last year, a survey of more than 150 historians ranked Trump as the worst President in American history. Trump has done nothing early in his second term to indicate the historians were wrong.

https://democracy21.org/news/freds-weekly-note/the-worst-president-in-history-a-lifetime-of-failure
 
Luce said:
Yes, I remember that one. Blew the tread off, and then you have to get out because here come the drones. (Unless there's another instance I missed)

I am questioning the remaining usefulness of high end MBTs, because mine warfare is more effective than we expected AND nobody saw drones coming.

Tanks are still useful, but the ones currently in use are too expensive for their lifespan. I am predicting the return of the light tank. Just not in the USA or Russia, because we're dumb and never change until it's a year too late.

I will be watching China, France, and Sweden with interest.
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That "light tank" will have no humans inside. You left that out.
 
Bullseye said:
And continually display minuscule understanding of fascism. Facism was all about the power of the state and the obeisance of the population; so is the Democratic Party platform.
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It is the Republicans whose "platform" was "whatever Trump wants" and Trump is the one going after late night comedians and any who are not obedient to him. That is what fascists do.
 
Luce said:
Putin has the Epstein files.
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Putin doesn't, but Israel might.

Luce said:
It's the only thing that explains this bullshit.
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No, what explains this bullshit is that Trump's MAGA movement wanted this war ended on day one, as he promised during the campaign. Somewhere along the way, people within the security state pushed their way to the front of the line to tell him that if he walks away from this failing war, that it will be not only a defeat for Ukraine but a blow to NATO's credibility, that it will be a humiliating defeat for US and European prestige, and that other malevolent actors (Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, etc...) will come out of the woodwork to challenge America's global standing. Meanwhile, there's no real practical way this ends in anything other than either a defeat on the battlefield for Ukraine, or a conflict that rapidly escalates and intensifies to the point of a direct hot war between NATO and Russia (and whoever else wants to join in the fray).

Trump wants Zelensky to accept defeat because Trump is tired of being involved in this conflict that his administration didn't start. Moreover, his administration doesn't really care about pleasing Europe either, but again, someone probably pushed their way to the front of the line to advise him that if we let Ukraine collapse, the EU and US alliance may fracture, which probably registers little or not at all in his mind but certain Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio are aware of those potential consequences, particularly given that they do eventually want to turn their attention to China at some point, sooner rather than later.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The only democracy Russia ever crushed was Czechoslovakia. That’s it.

Every single other regime they helped overthrow was either a dictatorship(Cuba, the various Eastern European regimes like Romania and Hungary, South Africa, etc) or a colonial one(Angola and Mozambique, Vietnam, etc).

Blindly mimicking what I said because you can’t actually come up with your own argument is nonsensical

Well gee, for starters the U.S. refusing to join the League of Nations in the interwar period ensured it would be too weak to actually carry out its supposed role.

And trying to pretend like the U.S. chose to get involved—- rather than being attacked by a third party— is rather sad.
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Yes Russia has replaced one repressive regime after another with their own repressive rule crushing any chance of democracy wherever they go. They got this idea from Stalin who "liberated" eastern europe and replaced the Nazi's with their own form of fascism. There is a reason that those countries hate Russia the most.
 
multivita-man said:
Putin doesn't, but Israel might.



No, what explains this bullshit is that Trump's MAGA movement wanted this war ended on day one, as he promised during the campaign. Somewhere along the way, people within the security state pushed their way to the front of the line to tell him that if he walks away from this failing war, that it will be not only a defeat for Ukraine but a blow to NATO's credibility, that it will be a humiliating defeat for US and European prestige, and that other malevolent actors (Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, etc...) will come out of the woodwork to challenge America's global standing. Meanwhile, there's no real practical way this ends in anything other than either a defeat on the battlefield for Ukraine, or a conflict that rapidly escalates and intensifies to the point of a direct hot war between NATO and Russia (and whoever else wants to join in the fray).

Trump wants Zelensky to accept defeat because Trump is tired of being involved in this conflict that his administration didn't start. Moreover, his administration doesn't really care about pleasing Europe either, but again, someone probably pushed their way to the front of the line to advise him that if we let Ukraine collapse, the EU and US alliance may fracture, which probably registers little or not at all in his mind but certain Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio are aware of those potential consequences, particularly given that they do eventually want to turn their attention to China at some point, sooner rather than later.
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Trump certainly helped to start the Ukraine war which was ongoing during his entire 1st term. His attempted extortion of Zelensky and Rudy's cooperation with Russian operatives in Ukraine were indicative of his willingness to allow Putin to continue his assaults on Ukrainian sovereignty. Also it is obvious that Putin planned the invasion for Trump's 2nd term so as not to endanger his reelection. If you are right and Ukraine loses this war we can expect a continuation of it into every NATO country in eastern europe. There is no indication that Putin will ever return to a peacetime economy as long as he is alive. I think you are wrong and Putin will be unable to economically continue the war past 2026 and will be forced to withdraw.
 
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Bullseye said:
Then what is your solution?
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It is simple. Give the Ukrainians what they need to win. It will be over in months and we don't need to lose a single American soldier. The Russian military is already stretched to their limit.
 
Luce said:
Looks like bog-standard AP.

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We have 1000's of Bradley's in mothballs that we could send Ukraine instead of paying to recycle them . Our soldiers are not even being trained to use them as they have been replaced by the new XM30 vehicle.
 
iguanaman said:
Trump is not second to anybody. He is hands down the worst President in history.....twice.

Trump’s Legacy: The Worst President In History & A Lifetime Of Failure​

President Donald Trump has moved swiftly in the early weeks of his second presidency with a game plan based on anger, hate, revenge, and destruction. He appears to be out to turn our democracy into an autocracy.


Trump has twice been elected President, but those political victories and his endless self-promotion should not distract us from the bigger picture. Trump has lived a life of failure – in business, in government, and in trying to rewrite his personal history.

Last year, a survey of more than 150 historians ranked Trump as the worst President in American history. Trump has done nothing early in his second term to indicate the historians were wrong.

https://democracy21.org/news/freds-weekly-note/the-worst-president-in-history-a-lifetime-of-failure
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Yes, he is the worse president ever for the WOKEies. He is dissembling all the detrimental stuff the party of hate loves.
 
iguanaman said:
We have 1000's of Bradley's in mothballs that we could send Ukraine instead of paying to recycle them . Our soldiers are not even being trained to use them as they have been replaced by the new XM30 vehicle.
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Why should we help the Gangster run Ukraine that ousted their rightful president in 2014, which lead to this civil war?
 
iguanaman said:
Yes friends when the cameras were turned off Trump went ballistic on Zelensky for refusing to surrender Donbass and told him that Putin would destroy him if he didn't. Zelensky fought back saying that Trump is the problem because he won't put any pressure on Putin to negotiate in good faith. Not really surprising but still sad to see our great country humiliated again. Trump is a Putin lover and will do anything to please him. To see who was once called "the leader of the free world" doing our sworn enemy and war criminal's dirty work is disheartening to say the least. Trump is completely out of his mind.

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MAGA Baby didn't take his meds & Zelensky had the bad luck to be around at the time.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Why should we help the Gangster run Ukraine that ousted their rightful president in 2014, which lead to this civil war?
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This isn't a Civil War.

When a foreign nation's army is full-on participating, the "Civil" part goes down the toilet.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Why should we help the Gangster run Ukraine that ousted their rightful president in 2014, which lead to this civil war?
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If you love Russia and its propaganda so much, why don't you move there?
 
Roadvirus said:
MAGA Baby didn't take his meds & Zelensky had the bad luck to be around at the time.
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I am trying to imagine Trump throwing a wobbler as an intimidating thing.

Try not to laugh. I dare you.
 
iguanaman said:
It is simple. Give the Ukrainians what they need to win. It will be over in months and we don't need to lose a single American soldier. The Russian military is already stretched to their limit.
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"Simple"? "Simplistic" is more accurate. We've been pumping weapons and ammo since the Biden administration, and gained little. More is unlikely to improve the situation significantly.
 
Bullseye said:
"Simple"? "Simplistic" is more accurate. We've been pumping weapons and ammo since the Biden administration, and gained little. More is unlikely to improve the situation significantly.
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Yes the Russians have only gained 1% of Ukraine while losing over a million men in battle partly thanks to our help. Biden did not want Ukraine to have the weapons to win the war only enough to make Putin realize he would never win and make a strategic withdrawal. Biden was wrong and Putin is not a logical actor. He does not care how many Russians die and will force them to continue until Russia collapses.
 
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