Trump says he’s going to reopen Alcatraz prison. Doing so would be difficult and costly (1 Viewer)

[dcsports]

The UK has many Victorian era prisons that have been kept in use but are now being shut down and they're palaces compared to Alcatraz.

The only reason to suggest using it is to make sure conditions are as grim as humanly possible and I see now way that will help rehabilitate anyone.
You also can't keep people in it long term as it will be disease infested and even the staff will have conditions so bad depression will be rampant and staff turnover will be huge.

Would anyone here like to work at Alcatraz?

I'm not sure anything compares to Alcatraz. Do you have examples?

The defining attribute of Alcatraz was it's location - making it difficult to escape, as well as access. That also made it difficult to manage, and susceptible to the weather. Not so much that people there were 'tortured'. Modern electronics makes it easier to do monitoring - as well as communicating. Even the bay isn't the same obstacle it used to be with cell phones and GPS.

 

[Peter]

I'm not sure anything compares to Alcatraz. Do you have examples?

The defining attribute of Alcatraz was it's location - making it difficult to escape, as well as access. That also made it difficult to manage, and susceptible to the weather. Not so much that people there were 'tortured'. Modern electronics makes it easier to do monitoring - as well as communicating. Even the bay isn't the same obstacle it used to be with cell phones and GPS.

Victorian prisons – Incarcerated

victorian-prisons.com

The main reason they're still open is money.
The Victorian prisons are known for being terrible but I will admit I don't think there quite as bad as Alcatraz.
Could be wrong though as I've never been in prison.

 

[Risky Thicket]

I still want to know how they'd expand Alcatraz.

Good question. The answer is they don't feckin know. They don't.

Trump and his administration don't plan anything. Determine need. Develop justification. Predict feasibility, desired objectives and outcomes, costs, time lines, performance measurements, requires planning and planning requires time and effort. Plan ahead? Trump and his people? When did that ever happen?

He's been in office for 100+ days. Are we to believe Trump and his hand picked staff of geniuses have been steady working on this for 100 days and Trump is ready to implement?

The sad truth is Trump hasn't planned a damn thing. AND HE DOES NOT HAVE TO! MAGA are not going to ask any logical questions. They don't care about planning. Their plan is "shoot them all and let God sort them out."

Who would have conducted the research to determine the need, costs and predicted outcomes? Nobody. Trump and 1st Vice President fired most of the learned experts capable of conducting such an effort.

 

[dcsports]

you didnt.

I gathered that from your posting history

It's the lenses which some people use.

Thats what i thought.

Its a ridiculous point.

he was hands down, objectively, the worst option in American history.

Biden was lackluster at best, and faltering. Clinton or Harris would have been terrible. Trump needs to learn to keep his mouth closed, but results from his first term were positive (understanding that Covid would have been a challenge for any president).

 

[Fearandloathing]

Victorian prisons – Incarcerated

victorian-prisons.com

The main reason they're still open is money.

The other reason is Britain is still in the 15th century

The carriage the King has to ride in is 400 years old?

Time to upgrade ffs

 

[Peter]

The UK has some really run down castles with dungeons you can use if you want to go completely medieval on the prisoners.

 

[Peter]

The other reason is Britain is still in the 15th century

The carriage the King has to ride in is 400 years old?

Time to upgrade ffs

What?
That carriage is amazing.
Everyone loves a good old horse drawn carriage ride.

 

[Fearandloathing]

What?
That carriage is amazing.
Everyone loves a good old horse drawn carriage ride.

They do?


I was raised in a place where horse drawn wagons were still in use.

Winters are much colder in an open carriage.

No one "loves" a carriage ride they must take, only the ones in sunny weather in a place you don't live.

 

[Peter]

They do?


I was raised in a place where horse drawn wagons were still in use.

Winters are much colder in an open carriage.

No one "loves" a carriage ride they must take, only the ones in sunny weather in a place you don't live.

Well, I can't speak for you but we love them.

Also have you seen the traffic in London.
A horse drawn carriage is the fastest form of travel available.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Well, I can't speak for you but we love them.

Also have you seen the traffic in London.
A horse drawn carriage is the fastest form of travel available.

I would swallow acid before I would set foot in Britain.

At best I might piss in its general direction from Ireland.

 

[Rexedgar]

 

[Nickyjo]

Trump says he's going to reopen Alcatraz prison. Doing so would be difficult and costly

President Donald Trump says he's directing his government to reopen and expand Alcatraz, the notorious former prison on a California island that's been closed for more than 60 years.

apnews.com

Sir Spends-A-Lot at it again. What a ****ing moron. This was closed decades ago because even then it was crumbling, and supplying the prison was hella expensive since everything had to come over water. Well no one has ever said communists were smart.

If I remember correctly, even water had to come over water, as the island has none. Lesee: rename the Gulf of Mexico, post a pic of himself as Pope, send US convicts to El Salvador, annex Greenland, reclaim the Panama Canal, and now Alcatraz, all recommendations from the “stable genius.” Of course, stables often have generous helpings of horse shit. But ain’t it great? We don’t have to wait til Thanksgiving. We can hear from the crazy uncle year round.

 

[NolanVoyd]

It's the lenses which some people use.

My guess is that you choose really poor sources of info that hide facts from you and lie to you about others

Biden was lackluster at best, and faltering.

sure, but objectively, by the numbers, he did a great job.

Clinton or Harris would have been terrible.

i disagree, they were both objectively highly qualified.

but objectively it's hard to argue they could have possibly been worse then Trump.

Trump needs to learn to keep his mouth closed, but results from his first term were tan67ding that Covid would have been a challenge for any president).

sure, and any president would have handled it better than ge did.

 

[NolanVoyd]

He is such a freak!

 

[Fearandloathing]

If I remember correctly, even water had to come over water, as the island has none. Lesee: rename the Gulf of Mexico, post a pic of himself as Pope, send US convicts to El Salvador, annex Greenland, reclaim the Panama Canal, and now Alcatraz, all recommendations from the “stable genius.” Of course, stables often have generous helpings of horse shit. But ain’t it great? We don’t have to wait til Thanksgiving. We can hear from the crazy uncle year round.

You forgot threaten your best friend with a military invasion for the 51st state.

That's at least 100 years of negative relations with your best friend!

"Spoke" via email with a friend who had housed American tourists post 911 when America closed its air space.

We housed over 10,000 people that time.

She said if it happened again she'd cheer as the planes ditched into the Pacific

 

[Ikari]

Thanks. Sounds like they will do a survey and a study. The outcome of which will doubtless be other options.

You don't really need to even go that far. It was abandoned 60 years ago because it was falling apart and was too expensive to run. That didn't change in 60 years.

Donald Trump's Alcatraz prison idea faces scrutiny over costs

Trump's push to reopen Alcatraz as a maximum-security prison has triggered backlash over the steep financial and logistical challenges the project would face.

www.newsweek.com

One user on X remarked that the plumbing alone would take years to update, calling the project likely impossible. The Democratic policy analyst who uses the handle Maine Wonk on X estimated that rebuilding and reopening Alcatraz could cost between $235 million and $370 million upfront, with annual operating costs of up to $60 million.

One user on X remarked that the plumbing alone would take years to update, calling the project likely impossible. The Democratic policy analyst who uses the handle Maine Wonk on X estimated that rebuilding and reopening Alcatraz could cost between $235 million and $370 million upfront, with annual operating costs of up to $60 million.

Even back in the day, like the 60's, the estimated 3-5 mil to restore and repair and it cost like 3 times to house a criminal there than other prisons. At this point, it's been crumbling for 60 years, you're talking about almost needing to tear the whole thing down and building up new. And everything has to be shipped in and out, including raw sewage. There's no treatment plants on the island and you cannot dump raw sewage right into the bay. So there's no amount of analysis that really needs to be done, just a touch of common sense.

 

[MTAtech]

I’m glad Trump doesn’t drink because sober he acts drunk.

Alcatraz was obsolete in 1963, when AG Robert Kennedy closed it.

It’s not going to happen. I suspect this is another shiny object (e.g. distraction) from the distractor in chief, or;

Trump thinks like a three year old in a toy store, “that’s cool, I want that,” with no regard to cost or constraints.

 

[mike2810]

Mr. President.
Then how did it get posted to the Official WhiteHouse.gov X account and your personal X account if you know nothing about it?

 

[Fearandloathing]

You don't really need to even go that far. It was abandoned 60 years ago because it was falling apart and was too expensive to run. That didn't change in 60 years.

Donald Trump's Alcatraz prison idea faces scrutiny over costs

Trump's push to reopen Alcatraz as a maximum-security prison has triggered backlash over the steep financial and logistical challenges the project would face.

www.newsweek.com

Even back in the day, like the 60's, the estimated 3-5 mil to restore and repair and it cost like 3 times to house a criminal there than other prisons. At this point, it's been crumbling for 60 years, you're talking about almost needing to tear the whole thing down and building up new. And everything has to be shipped in and out, including raw sewage. There's no treatment plants on the island and you cannot dump raw sewage right into the bay. So there's no amount of analysis that really needs to be done, just a touch of common sense.

The island itself is also sinking.

And..................the available water is contaminated.

And.....the heating system if broken for all time.

I suspect the state of California would block it.

 

[Kelby]

Mr. President.
Then how did it get posted to the Official WhiteHouse.gov X account and your personal X account if you know nothing about it?

Hmmm...and wasn't Lyndsay Graham saying we should all consider it?

 

[dcsports]

You don't really need to even go that far. It was abandoned 60 years ago because it was falling apart and was too expensive to run. That didn't change in 60 years.

Donald Trump's Alcatraz prison idea faces scrutiny over costs

Trump's push to reopen Alcatraz as a maximum-security prison has triggered backlash over the steep financial and logistical challenges the project would face.

www.newsweek.com

Even back in the day, like the 60's, the estimated 3-5 mil to restore and repair and it cost like 3 times to house a criminal there than other prisons. At this point, it's been crumbling for 60 years, you're talking about almost needing to tear the whole thing down and building up new. And everything has to be shipped in and out, including raw sewage. There's no treatment plants on the island and you cannot dump raw sewage right into the bay. So there's no amount of analysis that really needs to be done, just a touch of common sense.

Of course. That part would probably be a good job for an intern, perhaps clipping some of the information from previous studies.

It would also make sense to include alternatives though. "Reopening Alcatraz would be a bad idea because of _____, but if we need to increase capacity in our federal prison system, here are some options..."

 

[Ikari]

The island itself is also sinking.

And..................the available water is contaminated.

And.....the heating system if broken for all time.

I suspect the state of California would block it.

I suspect Trump may have wanted to rotate headlines cause he's taking a hit on tariffs and destroying the US economy.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I suspect Trump may have wanted to rotate headlines cause he's taking a hit on tariffs and destroying the US economy.

...and walked right into another controversy for posing as the pope.

 

[Sidd Finch]

I may have missed it, but any estimates on how many millions (billions?) it would take to get Alcatraz fixed up, up to code, modernized, up and running, etc?

EDIT- Or, that's just a complete waste of time to even guess, because it's such a dumb idea...

 

[Fearandloathing]

I may have missed it, but any estimates on how many millions (billions?) it would take to get Alcatraz fixed up, up to code, modernized, up and running, etc?

EDIT- Or, that's just a complete waste of time to even guess, because it's such a dumb idea...

Likely more than to build a new, modern prison.

Trump romances the 'old days'....way back when he had a full head of hair