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Trump rolls back bedrock civil rights measure in sweeping anti-DEI push (1 Viewer)

ColdHardTruth said:
As opposed to the common practice of not hiring people because of their skin color?

Again, the right had no issue with it when they were favoring white people.
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No not as opposed to not hiring people because of skin color. Just hiring on merit. Nothing based on skin color or sex.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
As opposed to the common practice of not hiring people because of their skin color?

Again, the right had no issue with it when they were favoring white people.
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It was the left that pushed back against integration.

But a lot of people did have an issue with discrimination - which is why we got the laws we did over half a century ago, along with affirmative action.

The policy now is removing the issue of skin color from hiring decisions.
 
Deuce said:
Do you think this law should be enforced?

Stop deflecting with your dumb lies about DEI. That isn't the topic here.
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Strange question. All laws should be enforced.
 
VanceMack said:
So at the end of the day, Trump ended a discriminatory practice that caused tokens to be hired based on race in the name of 'equity'. No civil rights law has been revoked, rescinded, or altered, and no no civil rights enforcement has been denied.

Oh the horror.
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No . The “ token “ thing is a racist myth.
 
bubbabgone said:
Treating minorities equally is great.
DEI doesn't do that.
It is inherently discriminatory.
It requires equal results regardless of merit.
That's what Equity is.
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Explain exactly how dei is inherently discriminatory.
Give an example of a written policy that discriminates against white government workers.
 
jaeger19 said:
Explain exactly how dei is inherently discriminatory.
Give an example of a written policy that discriminates against white government workers.
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Look up the definition of “Equity” for the answer.
 
VanceMack said:
:ROFLMAO:

Rescinding the DEI initiatives does absolutely nothing to the enforcement of the EEO or civil rights acts. Those offices in the government are un-impacted. DEI is a ****ing cancer. If people knew how many thousands of senior level administrative people have been hired into DEI roles to accomplish literally **** all...except to spend their days in a self congratulatory circle jerks TALKING about DEI...and if they knew how much that ridiculous initiative costs, they would have demanded an end to this long before Trump took office.

Federal agencies are governed by OPM. OPM maintains policy on EEO and Civil Rights initiatives. DEI has nothing to do with any of that.
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Did you read the article? DEI wasn't a thing when LBJ was in office!
Equal opportunity is what Trump objects to. This is what he wants to do away with:

LBJ's order gave the Secretary of Labor the authority to ensure equal opportunity for people of color and women in federal contractors' recruitment, hiring, training and other employment practices.

It required federal contractors to refrain from employment discrimination and take affirmative action to ensure equal opportunity "based on race, color, religion, and national origin."
 
George50 said:
Did you read the article? DEI wasn't a thing when LBJ was in office!
Equal opportunity is what Trump objects to. This is what he wants to do away with:

LBJ's order gave the Secretary of Labor the authority to ensure equal opportunity for people of color and women in federal contractors' recruitment, hiring, training and other employment practices.

It required federal contractors to refrain from employment discrimination and take affirmative action to ensure equal opportunity "based on race, color, religion, and national origin."
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And now we have it...and nothing is changing the EEO or civil rights LAWS. You people are peeing yourselves over nothing...as usual.
 
VanceMack said:
And now we have it...and nothing is changing the EEO or civil rights LAWS. You people are peeing yourselves over nothing...as usual.
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Actually you are peeing yourself all over this “dei” bs.
 
VanceMack said:
And now we have it...and nothing is changing the EEO or civil rights LAWS. You people are peeing yourselves over nothing...as usual.
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Of course nothing is changing the LAWS, that’s the point.

What is changing is that we now have a president that will IGNORE the laws and do whatever illegal actions he wants.

You people claim to respect the laws but you turn around and elect someone who couldn’t care less about the law or the constitution. Then you stick your heads in the sand and act like it isn’t happening.
 
jaeger19 said:
I have. That’s exactly my point.
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Equality - equal opportunity. U.S. Constitution.
Equity - "we all end up at the same place." - Kamala Harris

See now?
 
jaeger19 said:
Equal opportunity means people with the same ability regardless of color or creed CAN end up in the same place.

See now?

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Right.
"Equal opportunity means people with the same ability regardless of color or creed CAN end up in the same place."
But Equity REQUIRES people end up in the same place DEPENDING on color or creed regardless of ability.
See #77 and #86
Get it now? Equity is bass-ackwards
 
George50 said:
Of course nothing is changing the LAWS, that’s the point.

What is changing is that we now have a president that will IGNORE the laws and do whatever illegal actions he wants.

You people claim to respect the laws but you turn around and elect someone who couldn’t care less about the law or the constitution. Then you stick your heads in the sand and act like it isn’t happening.
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Rescinding a 50 year old EO is not changing the EEO and Civil Rights laws...and you are peeing yourself over nothing...which isnt shocking considering you people started peeing yourselves on command back in 2016.
 
bubbabgone said:
Right.
"Equal opportunity means people with the same ability regardless of color or creed CAN end up in the same place."
But Equity REQUIRES people end up in the same place DEPENDING on color or creed regardless of ability.
See #77 and #86
Get it now? Equity is bass-ackwards
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No it doesn’t.
Equity does NOT require that people end up in the same place regardless of ability…
Because that wouldn’t be equity ..
Duh.

Tell me if if a black student gets into Harvard after busting hump and getting straight A’s taking advanced courses
And a white kid with mediocre grades gets into Harvard because his dad donated to the college .

Is THAT equity? According to you it is. Right.
Lmao.

Here is the irony and racism in these folks against equity.
THEY NEVER QUESTION WHETHER A WHITE PERSON GOT THE JOB BECAUSE OF MERIT!!

Yet all the time white people get jobs they aren’t really qualified for or aren’t as qualified for because they golf with the manager. Or their daddies are alumni.
Or the person hiring simply wants a white candidate and will pass over a black candidate whose better qualified.

Here is a study that found that two identical candidates one black and one white.
Except that the white candidate had a criminal record.

The black person without a criminal record
Received 27% callbacks for the job
The white person WITH A CRIMINAL RECORD received 40% cakk backs for the job!!

White people with less qualification recieve jobs over black people with better qualifications.

 
VanceMack said:
Rescinding a 50 year old EO is not changing the EEO and Civil Rights laws...and you are peeing yourself over nothing...which isnt shocking considering you people started peeing yourselves on command back in 2016.
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Excuse for trump number 5.
“ okay he said it and he meant it but it doesn’t matter because he can’t do it”.

Meanwhile you trumpers fall all over yourselves stating the dems will outlaw meat.

“Kamala called for slashing consumption of red meat to fight climate change," said former US president Donald Trump during a July 27 rally in St Cloud, Minnesota.
JD Vance, the Republican presidential nominee's running mate, echoed the claim in an August 3 speech, saying Harris "wants to take away your ability to eat red meat."

When will you stop the hypocrisy.??
 
EO 11246 was the first major linchpin of affirmative action. It mandated identity based discrimination including goals and timelines. Also known as quotas. Getting rid of this is a decent step in ending systemic racism at the federal level. See ya.


  • Establishing specific, measurable goals and timetables for increasing employment opportunities for minorities and women in various job categories within the contractor's workforce.
  • Enforcement and Compliance: The Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs (OFCCP) was tasked with ensuring compliance through audits, investigations, and sanctions for non-compliance.
  • Record-Keeping and Reporting: Contractors were required to maintain and submit records demonstrating their commitment to non-discrimination and affirmative action, including annual reports like the EEO-1.
 
jaeger19 said:
No it doesn’t.
Equity does NOT require that people end up in the same place regardless of ability…
Because that wouldn’t be equity ..
Duh.

Tell me if if a black student gets into Harvard after busting hump and getting straight A’s taking advanced courses
And a white kid with mediocre grades gets into Harvard because his dad donated to the college .

Is THAT equity? According to you it is. Right.
Lmao.

Here is the irony and racism in these folks against equity.
THEY NEVER QUESTION WHETHER A WHITE PERSON GOT THE JOB BECAUSE OF MERIT!!

Yet all the time white people get jobs they aren’t really qualified for or aren’t as qualified for because they golf with the manager. Or their daddies are alumni.
Or the person hiring simply wants a white candidate and will pass over a black candidate whose better qualified.

Here is a study that found that two identical candidates one black and one white.
Except that the white candidate had a criminal record.

The black person without a criminal record
Received 27% callbacks for the job
The white person WITH A CRIMINAL RECORD received 40% cakk backs for the job!!

White people with less qualification recieve jobs over black people with better qualifications.

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Your examples show a failure of equality.
Kamala as Biden's VP choice shows a success for equity. Joe admitted it. Why do you think she was chosen? DEI disregards merit and talent for other irrelevant qualities.
Once again ... Equity REQUIRES people end up in the same place DEPENDING on color or creed regardless of ability. That's what It's all about.
If it wasn't, there was already a Law that required it.
Equity came from Critical Theory which came from Marxism.
"we all end up at the same place." Merit has no place in DEI.
Should they give a guy from Ethiopia who keeps winning marathons a 10 minute late start to give a white guy a better chance?

You're really mixed up on this one.
 
bubbabgone said:
Your examples show a failure of equality.
Kamala as Biden's VP choice shows a success for equity. Joe admitted it. Why do you think she was chosen? DEI disregards merit and talent for other irrelevant qualities.
Once again ... Equity REQUIRES people end up in the same place DEPENDING on color or creed regardless of ability. That's what It's all about.
If it wasn't, there was already a Law that required it.
Equity came from Critical Theory which came from Marxism.
"we all end up at the same place." Merit has no place in DEI.
Should they give a guy from Ethiopia who keeps winning marathons a 10 minute late start to give a white guy a better chance?

You're really mixed up on this one.
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No . According to you. If a white person gets into Harvard because his grades suck but daddy gave money to the college
And a black person gets into Harvard because he busted himo getting amazing grades ..

That’s equity according to you. Because they ended up in the same place regardless of ability.

That’s your definition.

The problem with you is you’ve never considered that tons of white people are where they are not do to merit but things like the color of who their dad or mom was, or simply the color of their skin.

In actuality , merit has everything to do with equity, it means people compete on a fair and equitable playing field where you succeed based on merit .. not because your employer prefers to work with white people.

I am the mixed up one?

You think that Harris was chosen because she was black and female because of COURSE it’s well known that being black and female is an advantage in politics . I mean look at all the black female presidents , senators and house representatives we have had in the past. I means it’s like a white old guy can’t get catch a break in politics. Lmao

The fact is : Harris had to have MORE MERIT to be chosen. She had to be exceptional because people like you will always question whether a black person.. particularly a black female really has the merit to succeed.

I posted the facts regarding race to you.
A black person is at a distinct disadvantage to a white person even when they have more merit than the white person.
 
VanceMack said:
Rescinding a 50 year old EO is not changing the EEO and Civil Rights laws...and you are peeing yourself over nothing...which isnt shocking considering you people started peeing yourselves on command back in 2016.
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Of course nothing is changing the LAWS, that’s the point.

What is changing is that we now have a president that will IGNORE the laws and do whatever illegal actions he wants.

You people claim to respect the laws but you turn around and elect someone who couldn’t care less about the law or the constitution. Then you stick your heads in the sand and act like it isn’t happening.
 
George50 said:
Of course nothing is changing the LAWS, that’s the point.

What is changing is that we now have a president that will IGNORE the laws and do whatever illegal actions he wants.

You people claim to respect the laws but you turn around and elect someone who couldn’t care less about the law or the constitution. Then you stick your heads in the sand and act like it isn’t happening.
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Nothing changes. so stop peeing yourself over nothing. Pace yourself. Its going to be a long 4 years and then you will have to move onto the next person you are told to hate.
 
VanceMack said:
Nothing changes. so stop peeing yourself over nothing. Pace yourself. Its going to be a long 4 years and then you will have to move onto the next person you are told to hate.
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What’s with the fascination with pee?
 
George50 said:
What’s with the fascination with pee?
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Pointing out the constant state of leftists is not fascinating...its pointing out the tragic pathetic nature of leftists and their antics for 9 straight ****ing years.
 
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