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Trump releases birth certificate to Bill Maher, demands $5M

Sheik Yerbuti said:
I didn't answer because your question is a non-sequitur since you don't specify for what cause a court might be presented a birth certificate.
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What utter absurdity.

Still squawking I see.
I have already told you I have no problem throwing the **** a squawker squawks, back at the squawker.
Did you forget?
Stop squawking and you wont get it.
It is that simple.


I didn't specify? iLOL :lamo:doh
What topic are we discussing again? This one of Mahers's challenge to Trump?
How could it be for anything other than what we are discussing?
All you said above was nothing but distraction.


More absurd squawking about that which you know not huh?

My question placed yours in the proper perspective. And was intended to answer your question, had you correctly answered it.
That is why it was asked, because the correct answer does answer your question.
Unfortunately you have the answer wrong!
Which buries your assertion, not mine.

Your assertion is ridiculous.
Just how do you think they established such in the past when they didn't know of blood types and DNA?
The Birth Certificate.
A Court excepts a BC for purposes of biological paternal lineage unless challenged by other information.


Now if there was an actual offer made by Maher, he would lose with the BC being presented. Even if Trump had to take it to court.
And as stated, if he demands the long form, he again loses because he just showed a short form isn't good enough.
 
Excon said:
What utter absurdity.

Still squawking I see.
I have already told you I have no problem throwing the **** a squawker squawks, back at the squawker.
Did you forget?
Stop squawking and you wont get it.
It is that simple.
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Great, now you're squawking about me pointing out that most of what you post is squawking. :roll: You've stuck yourself into an endless loop.

Excon said:
I didn't specify? iLOL :lamo:doh
What topic are we discussing again? This one of Mahers's challenge to Trump?
How could it be for anything other than what we are discussing?
All you said above was nothing but distraction.
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That's correct, you didn't specify. It would have been foolish of me to assume that you limited your generalized question to proving "biological paternity" since, though you project that Liberals like to leave wiggle room, it's actually what you do.


I highlighted the part which destroys your position -- we are not in the past, we are in the present; where scientific testing proves biological paternity, not a form which is only intended to prove legal paternity.

Trumps certification of birth offers no proof as to who his actual biological father is.

Excon said:
Now if there was an actual offer made by Maher, he would lose with the BC being presented. Even if Trump had to take it to court.
And as stated, if he demands the long form, he again loses because he just showed a short form isn't good enough.
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There is nothing on the long form either which proves "Fred C. Trump" is his biological father.
 

I'm guessing that whatever Trump produces won't meet Maher's rigid requirements. Kind of like Obama's birth certificate.
 
This is not an enforceable contract. Nice publicity stunt, though. Trump has a knack for that.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Great, now you're squawking about me pointing out that most of what you post is squawking. :roll: You've stuck yourself into an endless loop.
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You are telling untruths again.
It is only if the other had squawked first that it is returned.
As you are the one squawking knowing I will return it, then this is all on you.



Sheik Yerbuti said:
That's correct, you didn't specify. It would have been foolish of me to assume that you limited your generalized question to proving "biological paternity" since, though you project that Liberals like to leave wiggle room, it's actually what you do.
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Absurdity at it's best. We are speaking about a specific subject and did not need to specify any such thing as it was already topic specific. What you expect is on you, not me.

Which means we are limited to that of which we are speaking.
You should know that.

And as for my wiggle room comment, watch what happens. He will wiggle out of it.



Sheik Yerbuti said:
I highlighted the part which destroys your position -- we are not in the past, we are in the present; where scientific testing proves biological paternity, not a form which is only intended to prove legal paternity.
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You haven't highlighted anything that destroys my position. It is hilarious that you think it does, as it clearly does not.

The courts still accept the BC for purposes of biological paternal lineage establishment. Unless there is a challenge, it is sufficient.


Sheik Yerbuti said:
Trumps certification of birth offers no proof as to who his actual biological father is.
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Wrong! A court of law will accept it as such. Unless a reasonable challenge can be made, such as with blood type or DNA.
And if you don't believe so, show us the law.


Sheik Yerbuti said:
There is nothing on the long form either which proves "Fred C. Trump" is his biological father.
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It would serve the same purpose of the short form in this matter.
But because of the history of the BC issue, you can not rule out that Maher may say that is what he now wants.
If he is stupid enough to request it, it will show that a long form of a Certificate of Birth was sufficient for him to establish who Trump's father was.
But as I already said, I am more than sure he will wiggle out of it. I would be very surprised if he doesn't.
 
But who is looking into Trumps birth certificate since he use to play soccer with Barack in Kenya as a child?
 
The Birth Certificate in the article was issued on 5-22-2012, and it looks to have been printed by a modern printer not a typewriter. Donald looks very bad for a 7-month old baby.
 
A Certificate of Live Birth isnt enough to get you a drivers license today, let alone a passport. It does not count as proof of birth or citizenship by the administrations own TSA standards.

Maher makes about 17 million a year. He is one of those typical 1% types that is rollin in the dough and really really really really really really really REALLY really cares...but...not enough to...you know...give away his money. Im sure he could write the check on the bet. Whether he welches or not...well...we shall see.
 

You know, if a Liberal said that about, oh I don't know, Rush Limbaugh, they'd be called jealous class warriors.

It's interesting how it's completely OK to use that argument against someone on "the other side."
 
rocket88 said:
You know, if a Liberal said that about, oh I don't know, Rush Limbaugh, they'd be called jealous class warriors.

It's interesting how it's completely OK to use that argument against someone on "the other side."
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1-I'm betting Rush Limbaugh voluntarily gives more and 2-the difference is, the conservative isn't running around pretending to care. They either give or they don't. They don't go in front o cameras and express how much they wish the government would take more from them.
 
1. Prove it... Isn't that the approved RWNJ response?
 
Your assessment of this showdown makes perfectly good sense to me Excon_

I hope he or his representation isn't stupid enough to fall for the trap.
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To avoid Trump's "trap", what would you suggest Maher's next move be???
 
Poor Trump. Nobody was paying attention to him so he felt the need to pull on the jester suit, again.
 
:lamo
Poor guy needs all the attention in the world.
Maher should get his private investigative team to track it down to make sure its not a fake../
 

No, Maher wins because he simply claims, repeatedly, despite all evidence to the contrary, that Trump forged the BC (Because Trump was really born in Namibia) and that Trump is using this forgery to try and bamboozle Maher out of his money.
 
By the way, Maher's bet was that Trump couldn't prove that he isn't the spawn of his mother having sex with with an orangutan. Trump might not be aware of this, but a BC doesn't prove that your father was not an orangutan.
 
Tucker Case said:
By the way, Maher's bet was that Trump couldn't prove that he isn't the spawn of his mother having sex with with an orangutan. Trump might not be aware of this, but a BC doesn't prove that your father was not an orangutan.
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Maybe the long form with the raised seal does....
 
Excon said:
Are you suggesting that the U.S. courts do not except a Certification of Birth as proof?
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Ex...you of all people clearly know the following:

Anybody can present a birth certificate to a court in a legal action. The court will gladly tag it as an exhibit and let it be presented.

HOWEVER:

A birth certificate does not prove that there is a biological relationship between the person named as the father and the person named as the child born.

Those relationships are challenged in courts on a daily basis. When BCs are introduced, it almost common practice to see an opposing party to file a motion for a DNA test.

Sometimes a mother will not be truthful or simply assumes the person claimed on the BC as the father is indeed the biological father.

I think the language of the bet will be under extreme scruinty and determine the bet rather than based on a birth certificate.

Both are monkeys hustling the public.
 
Empirica said:
Your assessment of this showdown makes perfectly good sense to me Excon_

To avoid Trump's "trap", what would you suggest Maher's next move be???
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Wiggle!

Just state that there was no real challenge. As in it was just humor, or the like.




Removable Mind said:
Both are monkeys hustling the public.
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Agreed.



Removable Mind said:
I think the language of the bet will be under extreme scruinty and determine the bet rather than based on a birth certificate.
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What bet? What challenge? It was incomplete.
See post #21.

Unless of course Maher now does anything to indicate it was a viable challenge.


Yes, I know and understand what you are saying.
But; It will still be accepted as such in court unless challenged.
Even if that is a rare occurrence now, it will still be accepted as such when it isn't challenged.
 
Tucker Case said:
By the way, Maher's bet was that Trump couldn't prove that he isn't the spawn of his mother having sex with with an orangutan. Trump might not be aware of this, but a BC doesn't prove that your father was not an orangutan.
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I can understand why liberals have a problem with Trump, but why on earth would a "conservative"?

Tucker Case appears to be very confused about the concept of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"_
 
Empirica said:
I can understand why liberals have a problem with Trump, but why on earth would a "conservative"?

Tucker Case appears to be very confused about the concept of ”the enemy of my enemy is my friend"_
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Or maybe he understands [the fallacy of, and danger inherent in] that phrase quite well?

Trump is a narcissistic tool that stirs the public pot towards his own publicity ends. Take a look at who was first, and nigh only candidates to sign up for his proposed GOP Primary debate. Note the reaction from the GOP leadership.
 
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