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Trump refuses to return an immigrant he illegally deported to El Salvador

who gets to define what is and isn't legal vs illegal ?
Does the person have a permit to work here? Yes
Does the person have a legitimate social security number? Yes
Does the person have an order of an immigration court that allows them to remain in the US? yes....

So, wouldn't you say that is a pretty good indication that the person holds a legal status?
 
or martians
Trump could deport martians .... I mean lets just go ultra uber extreme/crazy right ?

You believe Trump said he was going to send martians to foreign prisons or something?


TRUMP SAID HE'S GOING TO SEND AMERICANS TO FOREIGN PRISONS

You probably think Trump is too much of a chickenshit to go through with it, don't you?

You probably think Trump's the kind of guy who talks trash all day long but never, ever gets anything done.
 
because liberals didn't care they were being deported wrongly and conservatives didn't either. Biden was ridding our country of illegals which was good - the problem was more coming in than was being deported.
So again, you have nothing to back up your argument other than the assumption mistakes were made. All of the same mechanisms for people to fight deportation were in place then, but we didn't have these cases brought up. Why?

liberal media didn't make a stink about it - thus liberals had nothing to get mad about. However make it news today? and liberals lose their minds over it
They did, as you just pointed out. The big difference between those deportations and the ones conducted now is this administration is deporting them to a third party country. Can you cite where Obama and Biden were doing that?

I gave a couple of links already - I'm not your google browser, search from 2020 - 2024 on Biden and illegal deportations and ACLU questioning how he was doing it etc.
So liberals did care.
:)
 
I'm sure that is true...I am just getting beyond pissed at the people trying to gossip and make shit up about this man.

who he actually is...
He fled El Salvador, because his family's business was being targeted by gangs...they threatened them with killing him if they did not pay the extortion to continue operating the business.
What is true is he was a sheet metal worker in a union job.
What is true is he had children who are special needs and was supporting those children...and those children are US citizens.
What is true is he is married to a US citizen and our system is system is seriously flawed when a US citizen cannot, even with a fine, normalize their spouse's status.

He was accused by some anonymous source of being a member of MS 13 in New York....he has never been to New York, not to live, not to visit...so, it would be impossible for him to have been a member of MS 13 in NY.
He was also in possession of a court order not to deport him to El Salvador because his life was threatened there. Yet he was deported in direct defiance of a court order. The idea that some people here try to defend this outrageous event is evidence that there are too many people not only on this forum but in this country that have had their thinking scrambled by the cult.
It’s not over. My guess is that eventually he’ll make it back here. Hopefully he doesn’t get killed before that.
 
He was also in possession of a court order not to deport him to El Salvador because his life was threatened there. Yet he was deported in direct defiance of a court order. The idea that some people here try to defend this outrageous event is evidence that there are too many people not only on this forum but in this country that have had their thinking scrambled by the cult.
It’s not over. My guess is that eventually he’ll make it back here. Hopefully he doesn’t get killed before that.
Unfortunately, I do not believe he is alive...or he would have been returned quickly to make the scandal disappear. That said, if he is alive, he needs to be returned. I think the fear is that the administration will be sued for his death.
 
they're US Citizens , they're not non-US citizens
I said the wife and child were US citizens.
there is a difference, especially knowing this guy was affiliated with gangs, came here illegally, kept affiliated with gangs, was arrested and judge determined the validly of gang affiliation .......... I think its all very important to note
Yet in 2019 a Judge decided he was not to be removed from the US. One reason was the threat of gang violance against him.
imo, the Trump administration has a creditability problem, at least with me.
the woman knew what she was doing when she married a non-citizen. Sadly the kids had no say so
What problems has Garcia been in since 2019 to deserve being sent to El Salvador.

Should illegal farm workers be sent to El Salvador?
 
I care far more about the women raped and murdered in the USA by illegals, the drugs illegals have trafficked in that have killed American citizens, the illegally here people human trafficking and kid porn ............... all that is because we're allowed millions of non-USA citizens not legally in the USA to be here

Fixing that isn't going to be perfect
Yeah, not perfect. :rolleyes:

But we're talking about a specific, gainfully employed, productive member of of our society who was legally residing here on a work permit. Trump and another one of his dictator friends keep referring to him as a terrorist gang member, yet has no proof to back up their slanderous claims.

Of course our attempts to fix our illegal immigration problem isn't perfect, but when you have a clear, admitted mistake and a court directing his return, you couldn't find a more cut and dry example of how to fix an imperfect system. Trump's refusal to follow our due process is a much more lawless act and more damaging to our country than anything Mr. Garcia has ever done...
 
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How about demand El Salvador return him or we will stop sending anymore deportees and stop paying for the imprisonment of the deportees we have sent. How about cut off all aid to El Salvador until he is returned? He doesn't seem to have problem cutting off aid to any other country. I thought Trump was the ultimate deal maker now he is too weak to force El Salvador to do something...really. That is the pathetic argument you lay bare?
Well said. Trump isn't as weak a president as the MAWA's would have us believe.

Btw, is that you on the submarine?
 
Why would we do that? Seriously
Because we put an innocent man in a jail that is notorious for torture and death of inmates and we are paying them for keeping him. There is 0 evidence he is gang member. It was ILLEGAL for ICE to deport him to El Salvador as a court had order he not be. All the courts agree he needs to be returned to the US. Are you an effin human being that you would want an innocent person to illegally detained in a prison notorious for torture and death? This is a new low.
 
its absolutely unavoidable because of the sheer magnitude of the problem and your side doesn't get to escape the responsibility for building it. Its sick, wrong and shameful to allow millions to live here illegally, sucking $$$$$$$$$$$$$ from US citizens, raping and killing, human and kid/sex trafficking etc.
There is no evidence any of this happened.

How many times do I have to tell you to turn off the Faux?
Your side will not be allowed to continue supporting all that - my side will make sure of it
Your side is losing right now.

Also ... NOBODY except republicans supports any of that.
 
"...The U.S. has already acknowledged Kilmar Abrego Garcia - a Salvadoran migrant who lived in the U.S legally with a work permit - was deported in error last month..."

What part of this excerpt do you not understand? Do you really think the U.S. admits an error when it hasn't?? You need to watch less FOX and read more of what the major news outlets are reporting...
All of it
 
Because we put an innocent man in a jail that is notorious for torture and death of inmates and we are paying them for keeping him. There is 0 evidence he is gang member. It was ILLEGAL for ICE to deport him to El Salvador as a court had order he not be. All the courts agree he needs to be returned to the US. Are you an effin human being that you would want an innocent person to illegally detained in a prison notorious for torture and death? This is a new low.

Trump is a criminal and a child rapist. Need I say more?
A “child rapist”?
 
I think we are good without him. Stupid thread.
Good good..then the next dem can create false charges, detain you, skip do process and exile you to Russia or something..

That's the world you get now
 
Well said. Trump isn't as weak a president as the MAWA's would have us believe.

Btw, is that you on the submarine?
Not me in the picture. I think a friend of mine took it. I was radioman so the only time I was up on the bridge or flying bridge was if the BRA-34 antenna needed something. That only happened 1 time in my time on the Baton Rouge and La Jolla. The only other time I was on the bridge was when the Officer Deck gave an excuse for me to come up on my last time at sea because I had never seen open ocean after spending a total of 7 years total on two 688's.
 
Proof? thought not? Another bs MAGA clown show nonsense claim that has no basis in effin reality. MAGA's are sick.
I didn’t make the claim Trump was a child rapist? That claim was made by Coldhardtruth. You seem very confused. :unsure:
 
No reply to keeping an innocent man who was illegally deported in notorious torture and death prison. MAGA's are sick.
He was here illegally. He was deported.
 
I see
"Deported" is the new newspeak word for being sent to foreign prison

Back when we spoke English, "deported" had a very different meaning.
Yes….he was deported.
 
No he wasn’t.

It was illegal to deport him. Every court this has been in front of has told you this.
Check out the latest news. ;)
 
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