Trump & Putin – without Zelensky?

[anatta]

You did not give a single reason why NATO membership won’t happen. Why did you lie about that?

OMG. for one thing Ukr is too corrupt. another is Russia would never accept it. NATO expansion is a prime cause of the invasion
The USA is pretty doubtful support. and it's not needed

 

[Questerr]

OMG. for one thing Ukr is too corrupt. another is Russia would never accept it. NATO expansion is a prime cause of the invasion
The USA is pretty doubtful support. and it's not needed

Russia doesn’t want European troops in Ukraine either. Does that mean Europe providing security guarantees “will never happen”?

NATO expansion is not a cause of Russia invading Ukraine. Russia is lying when they claim it is and you believe their lies. Russia invaded Ukraine as a land grab.

Why didn’t Russia invade the Baltic states over NATO expansion?

 

[j brown's body]

OMG. for one thing Ukr is too corrupt. another is Russia would never accept it. NATO expansion is a prime cause of the invasion
The USA is pretty doubtful support. and it's not needed

Not so corrupt it would give in to Trump's 2019 extortion attempt. It actually has standards.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Any thoughts on what Russia is doing to Ukraine, or is that cool?

One thought is that the/?your murderously retarded Republicrats have been doing many thing$ to provoke Russia that if done to 'us' would trigger a much more swift, violent response...

The/?your stinking neocon Republicrats have been using Ukrainians to 'extend Russia' for years... Is that cool with you?

 

[j brown's body]

Ime only a fool doesn't understand financing proxy wars is not 'stopping a war'...

You're dodging the question.

 

[j brown's body]

One thought is that the/?your murderously retarded Republicrats have been doing many thing$ to provoke Russia that if done to 'us' would trigger a much more swift, violent response...

The/?your stinking neocon Republicrats have been using Ukrainians to 'extend Russia' for years... Is that cool with you?

More dodging.

 

[anatta]

Russia doesn’t want European troops in Ukraine either. Does that mean Europe providing security guarantees “will never happen”?

European troops in Ukr is their business. Trump formally took NATO membership for Ukraine off the table

NATO expansion is not a cause of Russia invading Ukraine. Russia is lying when they claim it is and you believe their lies. Russia invaded Ukraine as a land grab.

NATO expansion has been the root cause of all western/Russian dysfunction since Clinton's expansion
I have written page after page on "encircling Russia. I'm not gong to debate it. other then saying NATO expansion threw away the peace from the end of the Cold war

 

[j brown's body]

European troops in Ukr is their business. Trump formally took NATO membership for Ukraine off the table

NAYO expansion has been the rrot cause of all western/Russian dysfunction since Clinton's expansion
I have written page after page on "encircling Russia. I'm not gong to debate it. other then saying NATO expansion threw away the peace from the end of the Cold war

The world still stands.

What Finland and Sweden Bring to NATO

The two countries are settling in as NATO’s newest members, and the alliance is already feeling the benefit.

cepa.org

Did you know Putin plans to take all of Ukraine?

 

[H. E. Panqui]

If Mexico wanted Russian troops to defend it from the US, I’d be asking what the **** the US is doing being an aggressor against Mexico.

^^^

Ime, you'd do whatever the murderously retarded neocons wanted...

 

[anatta]

Did you know Putin plans to take all of Ukraine?

of course he did. he wanted Ukr as a neutral buffer state. instead he's gonna get some strips of land on Russias border

 

[Questerr]

European troops in Ukr is their business. Trump formally took NATO membership for Ukraine off the table

NATO expansion has been the root cause of all western/Russian dysfunction since Clinton's expansion
I have written page after page on "encircling Russia. I'm not gong to debate it. other then saying NATO expansion threw away the peace from the end of the Cold war

Because Trump is pro-Russia.

I’ll ask again: why didn’t Russia invade the Baltic States over NATO expansion? If it’s such a critical threat to have NATO on their borders, why didn’t they invade them before they could join NATO?

Have you ever asked why so many of Russia’s neighbors want to join a defensive alliance that will protect them from Russian aggression?

 

[Questerr]

of course he did. he wanted Ukr as a neutral buffer state. instead he's gonna get some strips of land on Russias border

“Neutral buffer state”

He wanted Ukraine as a demilitarized Russian puppet.

 

[anatta]

Because Trump is pro-Russia.

I’ll ask again: why didn’t Russia invade the Baltic States over NATO expansion? If it’s such a critical threat to have NATO on their borders, why didn’t they invade them before they could join NATO?

Have you ever asked why so many of Russia’s neighbors want to join a defensive alliance that will protect them from Russian aggression?

If you can't understand "little Russia" is much more important to Russia then the Baltic midgets, im not here to teach it
Recall Ukr was part of USSR and the eastern oblasts lingua franca and economic ties are to Russia, not Kyiv

 

[anatta]

“Neutral buffer state”

He wanted Ukraine as a demilitarized Russian puppet.

prior to the Euromaidan Putin was fine with Ukraine with only economic ties to Russia. The Euromaidan changed Ukraine into a western vassal state

 

[j brown's body]

of course he did. he wanted Ukr as a neutral buffer state. instead he's gonna get some strips of land on Russias border

What fantasy makes you think he'd stop at that?

“I have said many times that the Russian and Ukrainian people are one nation, in fact. In this sense, all of Ukraine is ours..."

Link

 

[Questerr]

If you can't understand "little Russia" is much more important to Russia then the Baltic midgets, im not here to teach it
Recall Ukr was part of USSR and the eastern oblasts lingua franca and economic ties are to Russia, not Kyiv

So it isn’t about NATO expansion or NATO on Russia’s border and is entirely about Russia wanting to express their imperialist goals over Ukraine. Thank you for agreeing with me.

 

[anatta]

What fantasy makes you think he'd stop at that?

“I have said many times that the Russian and Ukrainian people are one nation, in fact. In this sense, all of Ukraine is ours..."

Link

read the thread on Ukr security guaranyees

 

[anatta]

So it isn’t about NATO expansion or NATO on Russia’s border and is entirely about Russia wanting to express their imperialist goals over Ukraine. Thank you for agreeing with me.

 

[j brown's body]

read the thread on Ukr security guaranyees

Why do you fantasize that that would stop him?

 

[Questerr]

prior to the Euromaidan Putin was fine with Ukraine with only economic ties to Russia. The Euromaidan changed Ukraine into a western vassal state

Because the president of Ukraine was pro-Russian and corrupt as **** at the time.

Are you saying Zelensky, who was elected with land slide in free elections, was a “western vassal”?

 

[Questerr]

You spelled it out. It isn’t about NATO. It’s about Russia wanting to control Ukraine.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

European troops in Ukr is their business. Trump formally took NATO membership for Ukraine off the table

NATO expansion has been the root cause of all western/Russian dysfunction since Clinton's expansion
I have written page after page on "encircling Russia. I'm not gong to debate it. other then saying NATO expansion threw away the peace from the end of the Cold war

I can't figure out why supporters of the murderously retarded neocons can't get this through their skulls... It seems the US started on the hate Russia campaign when WW2 ended...

 

[j brown's body]

I can't figure out why supporters of the murderously retarded neocons can't get this through their skulls... It seems the US started on the hate Russia campaign when WW2 ended...

Russia's the victim here.

 

[anatta]

Because the president of Ukraine was pro-Russian and corrupt as **** at the time.

Im not about to go over the Maidan, and US neocons in Independence square ginning up the revolt

Are you saying Zelensky, who was elected with land slide in free elections, was a “western vassal”?

not at the time. He ran on anti-corruption
He is now and and is also undemocratic/corrupt with seizing of newspapers/TV stations, and rummaging thru monestaries
and prohibiting Russian Orthodox church

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Because the president of Ukraine was pro-Russian and corrupt as **** at the time.

Are you saying Zelensky, who was elected with land slide in free elections, was a “western vassal”?

^^^^

That's what the murderously retarded neocons would have you believe... ugh...