Trump & Putin – without Zelensky?

[CarterYang]

Just read about the upcoming Trump-Putin meeting in Alaska – and I'm stunned. They're planning to discuss Ukraine's future...without Ukraine at the table! After all the "nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine" promises, how did Zelensky allow this?

We American taxpayers have poured billions into Ukraine – weapons, equipment, humanitarian aid. And now it seems decisions will be made behind closed doors while Kyiv just waits to be informed. Is this a diplomatic failure or the start of some backroom deal where Ukraine becomes a bargaining chip? Most importantly – what exactly are our tax dollars funding?

 

[Lursa]

Yup, it's bullshit.

And likely to be humiliating for TACO so I'm sure he wants to minimize the audience.

He'd look like a total ***** as a leader compared to those 2.

 

[Juin]

Just read about the upcoming Trump-Putin meeting in Alaska – and I'm stunned. They're planning to discuss Ukraine's future...without Ukraine at the table! After all the "nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine" promises, how did Zelensky allow this?

That was a Biden promise. Trump never made any such promise. It's Trump's estimation that Zelensky has no cards. There's no place at the table for players with no cards.

We American taxpayers have poured billions into Ukraine – weapons, equipment, humanitarian aid. And now it seems decisions will be made behind closed doors while Kyiv just waits to be informed. Is this a diplomatic failure or the start of some backroom deal where Ukraine becomes a bargaining chip? Most importantly – what exactly are our tax dollars funding?

It was not money well spent

 

[anatta]

That was a Biden promise. Trump never made any such promise. It's Trump's estimation that Zelensky has no cards. There's no place at the table for players with no cards.

Z has no cards in terms of preventing a land for peace swap. Russia holds 20% of Ukr. Crimea for a decade. Seems to me they get the east/SE oblasts on the Russian border (Mariupol Donetsk) land bridge to Crimea. Z comes into negotiations only providing Trump thinks Putin is ready to negotiate

It was not money well spent

pissing away weapons is bad enough. The nation building and committment going forward like pensions and schools and roads is a scam

 

[Loulit01]

That was a Biden promise. Trump never made any such promise. It's Trump's estimation that Zelensky has no cards. There's no place at the table for players with no cards.

Trump's estimation is shit.

It was not money well spent

Read a history book.

 

[Loulit01]

Z has no cards in terms of preventing a land for peace swap. Russia holds 20% of Ukr. Crimea for a decade. Seems to me they get the east/SE oblasts on the Russian border (Mariupol Donetsk) land bridge to Crimea. Z comes into negotiations only providing Trump thinks Putin is ready to negotiate

Trump doesn't really think at all. I'd comment on the rest of the post but I'm not sure it's in English.

pissing away weapons is bad enough. The nation building and committment going forward like pensions and schools and roads is a scam

 

[Juin]

Z has no cards in terms of preventing a land for peace swap. Russia holds 20% of Ukr. Crimea for a decade. Seems to me they get the east/SE oblasts on the Russian border (Mariupol Donetsk) land bridge to Crimea. Z comes into negotiations only providing Trump thinks Putin is ready to negotiate

There's something seriously wrong with Zelensky's way of thinking. Who in human history has ever settled for a land swap unless they had to? If Russia holds 20%; and all opinion about agrees it may be impossible for Ukraine to get it back; then what does what a Constitution say matter?

And why does he want to be in Alaska where the starting position of the US is that Ukraine has to make land concessions? In essence it is like he wants to participate in discussions he himself is insisting his Constitution forbids his participation!

pissing away weapons is bad enough. The nation building and committment going forward like pensions and schools and roads is a scam

The best thing Trump can do is to really distance the US from Zelensky. Zelensky already has the size of army he should have after settlement. The budget to go with it. In addition to the rebuilding and pensions you mentioned. And Zelensky considers it the least his European partners should do

 

[Loulit01]

This place has too much love for a dictator who launched invasions and murdered his political rivals. Zelensky is the hero here. Putin is still KGB at heart.

Appeasing land-grabbing dictators is never a good idea. The right needs to learn history.

 

[roberthughey]

There's something seriously wrong with Zelensky's way of thinking. Who in human history has ever settled for a land swap unless they had to? If Russia holds 20%; and all opinion about agrees it may be impossible for Ukraine to get it back; then what does what a Constitution say matter?

And why does he want to be in Alaska where the starting position of the US is that Ukraine has to make land concessions? In essence it is like he wants to participate in discussions he himself is insisting his Constitution forbids his participation!







The best thing Trump can do is to really distance the US from Zelensky. Zelensky already has the size of army he should have after settlement. The budget to go with it. In addition to the rebuilding and pensions you mentioned. And Zelensky considers it the least his European partners should do

That's how I'm seeing.

Russia is ever slowly gaining territory in the ground war.

 

[Craig234]

Kyiv Post: "“The Ukrainians understand you don’t end wars by giving territory to the aggressor. If Putin is not stopped here, he will keep going. He has repeatedly made that clear,” Graham stated in 2023. “And if Putin wins he will keep taking territory and that increases the chances that there will be a war between Russia and NATO, which would directly involve Americans in war.”

Graham’s latest optimistic remarks contrasted sharply with those of Senator Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), the top Democrat on foreign policy, who criticized Trump for allowing Putin to “walk across one of his red lines with zero consequences” after Putin passed Trump’s Friday, Aug. 8 ceasefire deadline, and the US president declined to deliver on his threats to harshly sanction Russia."

 

[Craig234]

IMO, this meeting is nothing but trump thinking he has something Putin wants - supporting selling out Ukraine - and the meeting is about seeing what he can get Putin to give him personally in exchange. trump cares nothing about the morality of Ukrainians or Palestinians and just sees them as things that can get him rewards by selling them out, like the hundreds of millions he's been given to sell out Palestinians.

For the election, Ukraine was just a political issue to lie about - 'Putin would not have invaded with trump in office', 'trump will end the war his first 24 hours', lying to try to get votes, now that's done. the next thing was his 'half of Ukraine's minerals' in exchange for aid extortion, now that's done, it's nothing but something to trade to Putin for what he can get.

 

[Callen]

Trump can kiss his peace prize goodbye. Who the hell is he to agree to give away the land of a sovereign nation?

 

[bongsaway]

Yup, it's bullshit.

And likely to be humiliating for TACO so I'm sure he wants to minimize the audience.

He'd look like a total ***** as a leader compared to those 2.

Trump is inept, he has no idea of how to be a president of the United States of America.

 

[anatta]

There's something seriously wrong with Zelensky's way of thinking. Who in human history has ever settled for a land swap unless they had to? If Russia holds 20%; and all opinion about agrees it may be impossible for Ukraine to get it back; then what does what a Constitution say matter?

And why does he want to be in Alaska where the starting position of the US is that Ukraine has to make land concessions? In essence it is like he wants to participate in discussions he himself is insisting his Constitution forbids his participation!

The best thing Trump can do is to really distance the US from Zelensky. Zelensky already has the size of army he should have after settlement. The budget to go with it. In addition to the rebuilding and pensions you mentioned. And Zelensky considers it the least his European partners should do

Ukraine money pit of corruption

 

[j brown's body]

Ukraine money pit of corruption

Russia will fix that.

 

[j brown's body]

There's something seriously wrong with Zelensky's way of thinking. Who in human history has ever settled for a land swap unless they had to? If Russia holds 20%; and all opinion about agrees it may be impossible for Ukraine to get it back; then what does what a Constitution say matter?

And why does he want to be in Alaska where the starting position of the US is that Ukraine has to make land concessions? In essence it is like he wants to participate in discussions he himself is insisting his Constitution forbids his participation!

The best thing Trump can do is to really distance the US from Zelensky. Zelensky already has the size of army he should have after settlement. The budget to go with it. In addition to the rebuilding and pensions you mentioned. And Zelensky considers it the least his European partners should do

And cozy up to the International war criminal. Believe me, Trump would love nothing more.

 

[anatta]

Russia will fix that.

wut?

 

[element94]

Just read about the upcoming Trump-Putin meeting in Alaska – and I'm stunned. They're planning to discuss Ukraine's future...without Ukraine at the table! After all the "nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine" promises, how did Zelensky allow this?

We American taxpayers have poured billions into Ukraine – weapons, equipment, humanitarian aid. And now it seems decisions will be made behind closed doors while Kyiv just waits to be informed. Is this a diplomatic failure or the start of some backroom deal where Ukraine becomes a bargaining chip? Most importantly – what exactly are our tax dollars funding?

Exactly! Two of the biggest political criminals in world history will decide.

 

[gbg3]

That was a Biden promise. Trump never made any such promise. It's Trump's estimation that Zelensky has no cards. There's no place at the table for players with no cards.

Zelensky would be a disaster in the meeting. It's best it's Trump alone with Putin for this meeting. The chances of getting closer to an end to the war may be slim, but there is not a better person or option to facilitate that, than Trump. I would imagine Europe is watching this VERY closely as the financial burden has now shifted to them. I expect instead of complaining about Trump's efforts, they are now in full support of his efforts and largely on the same page - following Vance's weekend meetings with Europe and Ukraine. The very best thing to happen has been the full shift of the weaponry cost to Europe. Now, instead of largely sabotaging Trump's efforts to end the killing, I suspect Europe is feeling a whole new view of not wanting this war to just keep going. And hopefully (and I expect likely), Europe is expressing to Z that there will be a limit to their ability to support the financial cost of this war going on and on.

It was not money well spent

Agreed!

 

[j brown's body]

Zelensky would be a disaster in the meeting. It's best it's Trump alone with Putin for this meeting. The chances of getting closer to an end to the war may be slim, but there is not a better person or option to facilitate that, than Trump. I would imagine Europe is watching this VERY closely as the financial burden has now shifted to them. I expect instead of complaining about Trump's efforts, they are now in full support of his efforts and largely on the same page - following Vance's weekend meetings with Europe and Ukraine. The very best thing to happen has been the full shift of the weaponry cost to Europe. Now, instead of largely sabotaging Trump's efforts to end the killing, I suspect Europe is feeling a whole new view of not wanting this war to just keep going. And hopefully (and I expect likely), Europe is expressing to Z that there will be a limit to their ability to support the financial cost of this war going on and on.


Agreed!

Trump doesn't even seem to know who started the war.

 

[Linc]

Ukraine money pit of corruption

Did anyone think trump wouldn't sell out Ukraine.
Trump and his maga ilk are now down with North Korean workers taking the place of Russians.

 

[j brown's body]

wut?

Russia is famous for dealing with money pits of corruption. Giving Ukraine over to them will solve that problem toot sweet!

 

[multivita-man]

Just read about the upcoming Trump-Putin meeting in Alaska – and I'm stunned. They're planning to discuss Ukraine's future...without Ukraine at the table! After all the "nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine" promises, how did Zelensky allow this?

We American taxpayers have poured billions into Ukraine – weapons, equipment, humanitarian aid. And now it seems decisions will be made behind closed doors while Kyiv just waits to be informed. Is this a diplomatic failure or the start of some backroom deal where Ukraine becomes a bargaining chip? Most importantly – what exactly are our tax dollars funding?

Zelensky would be at the meeting if Ukraine were winning. Europe would be at the meeting if it had power. But, Ukraine's not, and Europe doesn't.

I'm not crowing about it. This is going to be a strategic defeat for the United States, too, but it's about cutting losses at this point. The problem, however, is that we have a president in the White House who can't concentrate on anything for longer than two seconds, let alone think strategically, and he's got the who's who of the Dunning-Kruger society for an administration.

 

[j brown's body]

Did anyone think trump wouldn't sell out Ukraine.
Trump and his maga ilk are now down with North Korean workers taking the place of Russians.

I've always been impressed with Ukraine in that despite it's high level of
corruption, it drew the line at Trump's extortion attempt. They actually have standards, much to Trump's dismay.

Sadly, they're paying for it now.

 

[j brown's body]

Zelensky would be at the meeting if Ukraine were winning. Europe would be at the meeting if it had power. But, Ukraine's not, and Europe doesn't.

I'm not crowing about it. This is going to be a strategic defeat for the United States, too, but it's about cutting losses at this point. The problem, however, is that we have a president in the White House who can't concentrate on anything for longer than two seconds, let alone think strategically, and he's got the who's who of the Dunning-Kruger society for an administration.

It's not easy figuring out how to win a Nobel Peace Prize and capitulate to an international war criminal.