Trump Pledged to Bring Back Manufacturing. The Sector Is Sputtering.

[TamleeB]

I just looked at the first one on your list. The company is South Korean. Its investment will modernize Philly Shipyard.

It purchased the shipyard back in 2024, closing the deal in December 2024.

Trump's tariffs doubtless had nothing whatsoever to do with this investment, which was what you were trying to infer.

Did you check out the other 50 plus?

 

[TamleeB]

Do you approve of Trump's tariffs, which can be characterized as:

• Implemented at random, unscheduled, erratic times and set at arbitrary levels.
• Protecting dinosaur industries in their dotage.
• Across the board, so that U.S. manufacturers have to pay higher costs for their supplies.
• Protecting industries that lack the natural advantages that other nations may have, so that US consumers end up paying for more costly and/or inferior goods.
• Protecting industries that we don't and will never have in reproducible amounts: like coffee, diamonds, and so on.
• Tariffing high-polluting imports so we have to wreck our environment instead of letting other countries wreck theirs--like China's rare earths.
• Using tariffs as payola for the president and his grifter friends.
• Using tariffs to punish other nations for indicting crooked, wannabe authoritarians because Trump likes and identifies with wannabe authoritarians.

Where did you get that? How about you post your link?

 

[Kushinator]

My god, the hubris and ego on you.

Your opinion doesn't matter.

 

[Kushinator]

I am going on my personal knowledge and what I am seeing firsthand. I have mentioned two major manufacturing facilities my husband is involved in that are investing, and hiring currently. I know this for a fact.

A major investment takes about 3 to 5 years to complete, and that's not even considering the planning phase.

What you're talking about began years ago.... No business makes decisions like this on the whims of an elected leader.

Notice how you didn't address a single thing you chose to quote.

 

[TamleeB]

A major investment takes about 3 to 5 years to complete, and that's not even considering the planning phase.

What you're talking about began years ago.... No business makes decisions like this on the whims of an elected leader.

Actually….the plant near us is already working on their expansion. The plant had layoffs several years ago, and now have increased their employee count by several hundred in the past six months. And this did NOT begin “years ago”. I know that for a fact. My husband was in upper management. This has happened recently.

 

[Kushinator]

Actually….the plant near us is already working on their expansion. The plant had layoffs several years ago, and now have increased their employee count by several hundred in the past six months. And this did NOT begin “years ago”. I know that for a fact. My husband was in upper management. This has happened recently.

Ok.

What about every single example from your list?

Consider the TSMC example. It began in 2013, more than a decade before any shovel hit dirt.

 

[TamleeB]

Ok.

What about every single example from your list?

Consider the TSMC example. It began in 2013, more than a decade before any shovel hit dirt.

You are on it. Let me know how all the others pan out. Now why did you ignore the rest of my post.

 

[Kushinator]

You are on it. Let me know how all the others pan out. Now why did you ignore the rest of my post.

Anecdotes don't matter.

You're only here to make excuses for bad mad policy.

 

[jpn]

Did you check out the other 50 plus?

So that's the best you have? I looked at the first business on your list, it completely failed to back up your assertion, and you just shrug if off? Do you even know that Trump's tariffs have had anything to do with the investments you listed?

Where did you get that? How about you post your link?

Link? Seriously? I wrote it off the top of my head after watching months of reports on the tariffs. Do you really need a link to learn, for example, how Trump's implementation of the tariffs has been erratic? Or that he used tariffs, in the case of Brazil, a nation with which we have enjoyed a trade surplus, to punish them for bringing their wannabe dictator to justice? You don't know that?

Or have we gotten to the stage where now you're just trolling people because you can't engage with them honestly?

You really aren't interested in a good-faith discussion at all, are you?

 

[TamleeB]

Anecdotes don't matter.

You're only here to make excuses for bad mad policy.

No need for me to make any excuses. Try again

 

[TamleeB]

So that's the best you have? I looked at the first business on your list, it completely failed to back up your assertion, and you just shrug if off? Do you even know that Trump's tariffs have had anything to do with the investments you listed?


Link? Seriously? I wrote it off the top of my head after watching months of reports on the tariffs. Do you really need a link to learn, for example, how Trump's implementation of the tariffs has been erratic? Or that he used tariffs, in the case of Brazil, a nation with which we have enjoyed a trade surplus, to punish them for bringing their wannabe dictator to justice? You don't know that?

Or have we gotten to the stage where now you're just trolling people because you can't engage with them honestly?

You really aren't interested in a good-faith discussion at all, are you?

All I have? You looked at the “first” one. It’s all good. Not sure why you believe your response is part of a “good faith” discussion.

 

[Kushinator]

No need for me to make any excuses. Try again

That's all you bring to the table.

Again, anecdotes mean absolutely nothing.

 

[TamleeB]

That's all you bring to the table.

Again, anecdotes mean absolutely nothing.

Then don’t reply.

 

[Kushinator]

Then don’t reply.

Kick rocks.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

First off Strain gets a lot of things wrong and leans into his ideology more than his facts. Retaliatory tariffs aren't happening for the most part because a lot of other countries already have tariffs and subsidies to lock out US goods or protect their own industries. Second, while Trump may have stated sky high tariffs, that hasn't been necessary in most cases with the average tariff rate being under 20%. That brings us to number three, by negotiating with countries directly on tariffs and trade, both sides have to acknowledge each one noticed the trade issues towards each other. The tariff outlook is a long-term goal, supply chains didn't offshore over night, they won't come back over night. Its being used as a tool to bring leaders to the table to talk over trade.

I actually read about 6 or 7 of Strain's columns on Project Syndicate. He seemingly dislikes populism, Trump and Bernie, but somehow liked Biden. Democrat shill, despite how wonky his articles read.

You pay for it.

You pay the taxes.

You love the taxes so much, you pay for everyone else’s taxes.

 

[jpn]

All I have? You looked at the “first” one. It’s all good. Not sure why you believe your response is part of a “good faith” discussion.

Oh, my god.

 

[jpn]

Then don’t reply.

You're at the point where you are absolutely helpless in trying to defend an indefensible policy, but you feel that you can't back down and admit it.

So you resort to mocking, frivolous, and unserious replies while refusing to address any of the objections to your posts directly.

It's a position most Trump fans end up in.

 

[TamleeB]

Oh, my god.

He is everyone’s God. Not just yours

 

[TamleeB]

You're at the point where you are absolutely helpless in trying to defend an indefensible policy, but you feel that you can't back down and admit it.

So you resort to mocking, frivolous, and unserious replies while refusing to address any of the objections to your posts directly.

It's a position most Trump fans end up in.

Actually I am good with my stance. It appears your struggle is real. So sorry.