Posting a pie chart does not change the fact that 2016 the budget for the Dept of Education was about 68 billion. Local control is much better than edicts from Washington, DC.
Glad to hear about the executive order that aims to reduce the federal government’s role in K-12. education.
Public education has been around since the early 1800's. DOE since 1967. We got along just fine without federal interference in education for 150 years. Some would say far better.
Really? Because my grandfather went to a one room school, dropped out in the third grade, and never learned to read. As did many of his friends in Rural TN. Then the Federal Government got involved and his children got to enjoy an actual school, with trained teachers, and they couldn't just stop going.
But who cares about areas in rural red states, am I right?
My mother taught in a one room school in rural Nebraska. A public one room school. Some kids dropped out. Others went on to high school and a few to college. Public college.
Your grandfather dropping out had nothing to do with the public school system. It had to do with being needed on the farm.
He didn't live on a farm. His father worked in a quarry as the guy who set up the explosives. He just didn't have to go, so he didn't. It was one of the greatest regrets of his life, and when he retired from the steel mill, he went to work for our local high school as a custodian to make sure his family didn't drop out like him.
Hate it or not, the creation of the Dept. of Edu forced many states to overhaul their education system and prevent stories like my grandfather's. You wanna talk about scaling it back? Sure. You want to talk about redesigning the system? Sure. But let's cut the bull**** that things were better before it's existence.
I didn't say that either, now did I?
I get that you are attempting to make a point that since George Washington's kids had a tutor 200 years ago, the feds should be involved in education today.
I'll not assist you in making that point.
No, the point is the Constitution isn't a good guiding document for education, since it was written in times when people were taught by for hire governesses.
So, the Constitution soapbox is irrelevant to this conversation, since the Federal government is already involved in many, many different endeavors that are not outlined in the Enumerated Powers. In order for that point about the Constitution to have any consistency, you'd have to argue for abolishing all of the bureaucracy that has threaded the needle through the elastic clause.
The point is we live in different times now. We have a DOE. I'd like to see the DOE have more than 6% funding in discretionary spending, but, conservatives in this thread indicate, that 6% is already far too much. And that they believe education is a reserved power. Well, that's a fair argument to make, as long as, action to weaken the DOE isn't merely cover for disadvantaging our public school system, so that fat cat GOP donors who own charter schools, like the Devos' can prey on them.
Education is not a reserved power.
might want to walk that back a little bit, otherwise you're gonna humiliate conservatives by being wrong about the Constitution in front of a liberal.
Don't think so.
Explain?
IMO, the FedGov is all too invasive in our private affairs. Indoctrinating our children isn't in the Constitution.
So your grandfather made a choice. The education was there. Availing yourself of the opportunity is a personal choice. I fail to see how anything approaching DOE intervention would have changed your family situation.
Your grandfather, however, did that on his own.
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump signed an executive order Wednesday that aims to reduce the federal government’s role in K-12 education.
Trump is giving Education Secretary Betsy DeVos just short of a year — 300 days — to identify areas where Washington has overstepped its legal authority in education, and modify and repeal regulations and guidance from her department, if necessary. A report will be returned to the White House and eventually made public, officials said.
Trump complained that the government over the years has forced states and schools to comply with ‘‘federal whims.’’ He said the order will help restore local control over education.
‘‘We know that local communities do it best and know it best,’’ Trump said, surrounded by governors, members of Congress and teachers. ‘‘The time has come to empower parents and teachers to make the decisions that help their students achieve success.’’
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/na...e-education/nW0zTL2AvwhE3ak3VWYuxO/story.html
:applaud
So, your position is weaken the DOE because it strengthens education at a local level?
When the states ran the education systems for K-12 the United States ranked first in the word in science, math etc. Once the fed became involved, we've dropped to something like 28th and 32nd.
Well , we all know how the GOP loves the uneducated. Keep them stupid, keep them voting GOP.
In 2016 the budget for the Dept of Education was about 68 billion.
Decisions for the education system should be at the local level. Not
coming from bureaucrats in Washington, DC.
You'd prefer the FedGov to decide what's best for your children?
I have no issues with education standards being applied across the board.
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