Trump negotiated Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan then used it against him. He may do the same with Ukraine. (1 Viewer)

[my2sence]

Trump announced the withdrawal from Afghanistan as soon as he waqs defeated by Biden, which gave the Taliban something to hold out for & look forward to. Then he used the withdrawal to criticize Biden during the last election cycle. Now Trump has said if Putin and Ukraine don't end the war, he'll just "walk away" because he's a busy person with other things to do. Music to Putin's ears because now Putin has an incentive to keep fighting until Trump gets frustrated and walks away a loser. That should give him more time to golf instead of coming up with creative ways to defeat Putin, and foment democracy in, and eliminate aggression by, Russia.

 

[Mycroft]

Trump announced the withdrawal from Afghanistan as soon as he waqs defeated by Biden, which gave the Taliban something to hold out for & look forward to. Then he used the withdrawal to criticize Biden during the last election cycle.

Are you deliberately lying? Or, are you ignorant of the facts?

Feb. 29, 2020 — U.S. and Taliban sign an agreement that sets the terms for a U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan by May 1, 2021, but do not release two classified annexes that set the conditions for U.S. withdrawal. At the time of the agreement, the U.S. had about 13,000 troops in Afghanistan, according to a Department of Defense inspector general report.​

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org

We lay out many of the key diplomatic decisions, military actions, presidential pronouncements and expert assessments of the withdrawal agreement that ended the U.S. military's 20-year war in Afghanistan.

www.factcheck.org

You'll notice, I'm sure, that this was nine months before the 2020 election.

In any case, Biden (Milley, actually) didn't use Trump's plan for withdrawal. They did it their way...and they ****ed the whole thing up. They deserve all the criticism they've gotten.

Now Trump has said if Putin and Ukraine don't end the war, he'll just "walk away" because he's a busy person with other things to do. Music to Putin's ears because now Putin has an incentive to keep fighting until Trump gets frustrated and walks away a loser.

Yes. If Putin AND Zelensky don't get off their asses and work out a peace deal, Trump will walk away from the entire mess...and take US money and aid with him. And that will be the right thing to do.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Trump announced the withdrawal from Afghanistan as soon as he waqs defeated by Biden, which gave the Taliban something to hold out for & look forward to. Then he used the withdrawal to criticize Biden during the last election cycle. Now Trump has said if Putin and Ukraine don't end the war, he'll just "walk away" because he's a busy person with other things to do. Music to Putin's ears because now Putin has an incentive to keep fighting until Trump gets frustrated and walks away a loser. That should give him more time to golf instead of coming up with creative ways to defeat Putin, and foment democracy in, and eliminate aggression by, Russia.

That (bolded above) assertion is BS.

It was signed in February of last year, February 2020. And it says that the United States will pull out all of its forces by May 1. And what's remarkable about it is that since February 2020, no American soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan. So the Taliban have, in fact, held to their word.

 

[Jagged]

Trump announced the withdrawal from Biden didn't follow Afghanistan as soon as he waqs defeated by Biden, which gave the Taliban something to hold out for & look forward to. Then he used the withdrawal to criticize Biden during the last election cycle. Now Trump has said if Putin and Ukraine don't end the war, he'll just "walk away" because he's a busy person with other things to do. Music to Putin's ears because now Putin has an incentive to keep fighting until Trump gets frustrated and walks away a loser. That should give him more time to golf instead of coming up with creative ways to defeat Putin, and foment democracy in, and eliminate aggression by, Russia.

Biden didn't follow Trump's plan for withdrawal. The agreement the Taliban signed onto, had all of our troops out of Afghanistan by 5/1/2021. Biden didn't adhere to that, effectively ending the terms of the agreement.

 

[j brown's body]

Seems like it's the other way around this time.

 

[j brown's body]

Biden didn't follow Trump's plan for withdrawal. The agreement the Taliban signed onto, had all of our troops out of Afghanistan by 5/1/2021. Biden didn't adhere to that, effectively ending the terms of the agreement.

Can you be more specific?

 

[Utility Man]

 

[Jason Warfield]

Are you deliberately lying? Or, are you ignorant of the facts?

Feb. 29, 2020 — U.S. and Taliban sign an agreement that sets the terms for a U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan by May 1, 2021, but do not release two classified annexes that set the conditions for U.S. withdrawal. At the time of the agreement, the U.S. had about 13,000 troops in Afghanistan, according to a Department of Defense inspector general report.​

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org

We lay out many of the key diplomatic decisions, military actions, presidential pronouncements and expert assessments of the withdrawal agreement that ended the U.S. military's 20-year war in Afghanistan.

www.factcheck.org

You'll notice, I'm sure, that this was nine months before the 2020 election.

In any case, Biden (Milley, actually) didn't use Trump's plan for withdrawal. They did it their way...and they ****ed the whole thing up. They deserve all the criticism they've gotten.


Yes. If Putin AND Zelensky don't get off their asses and work out a peace deal, Trump will walk away from the entire mess...and take US money and aid with him. And that will be the right thing to do.

I guess we are going to gloss over all the infractions against Trump's plan by the Taliban and various Afghani factions while Trump did nothing about it.

 

[Jagged]

Can you be more specific?

The deal was for our troops to be fully out of Afghanistan by 5/1/2021. Biden didn't adhere to that. First he announced he would withdraw our troops by 9/11/2021. Then he left troops in Afghanistan past the agreed to timeline of 5/1/2021. At that point, the agreement was essentially null and void. At that point, the Taliban began working on taking over Afghanistan. By July, the Taliban was was making big advances, pushing Biden to announce an August withdrawal. The 13 troops killed in a massive terrorist attack, killing hundreds of others, would likely have been back in America, alive, had Biden stuck to the agreement.

 

[Jagged]

That's Trump, bloviating as usual. Of course could have stopped the process. But that would have required Biden to reignite the war by redeploying many thousands of troops. It was better to just get out. But Biden should have followed the terms of the agreement.

 

[Pyrite]

Biden didn't follow Trump's plan for withdrawal. The agreement the Taliban signed onto, had all of our troops out of Afghanistan by 5/1/2021. Biden didn't adhere to that, effectively ending the terms of the agreement.

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@Jagged:
That's Trump, bloviating as usual. Of course could have stopped the process. But that would have required Biden to reignite the war by redeploying many thousands of troops. It was better to just get out. But Biden should have followed the terms of the agreement.
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Biden negotiated an extension. That's all he did. HIs contract did not have "terms of agreement" re how the withdrawal was to be conducted, such as safe passage for our troops.

There was no trump "plan for withdrawal". trump's contract contained no clauses, no stipulations, about getting our troops safely out of Afghanistan.

Quite the omission on the part of the Commander-in-Chief, don't you think?

 

[Integrityrespec]

Trump announced the withdrawal from Afghanistan as soon as he waqs defeated by Biden, which gave the Taliban something to hold out for & look forward to. Then he used the withdrawal to criticize Biden during the last election cycle. Now Trump has said if Putin and Ukraine don't end the war, he'll just "walk away" because he's a busy person with other things to do. Music to Putin's ears because now Putin has an incentive to keep fighting until Trump gets frustrated and walks away a loser. That should give him more time to golf instead of coming up with creative ways to defeat Putin, and foment democracy in, and eliminate aggression by, Russia.

You really need to read the terms Trump negotiated and then look at how Biden didn't follow through.

 

[Pyrite]

You really need to read the terms Trump negotiated and then look at how Biden didn't follow through.

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I'll be happy to see the terms of safe withdrawal of US troops that trump included in the contract he and Pompeo negotiated with the Taliban.

Please post the document in its entirety - it's not that long - and include the cite.

 

[Jagged]

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@Jagged:
That's Trump, bloviating as usual. Of course could have stopped the process. But that would have required Biden to reignite the war by redeploying many thousands of troops. It was better to just get out. But Biden should have followed the terms of the agreement.
Post #10



Biden negotiated an extension. That's all he did. HIs contract did not have "terms of agreement" re how the withdrawal was to be conducted, such as safe passage for our troops.

There was no trump "plan for withdrawal". trump's contract contained no clauses, no stipulations, about getting our troops safely out of Afghanistan.

Quite the omission on the part of the Commander-in-Chief, don't you think?

With whom did Bideb negotiate an extension? It wasn't with the Taliban, who, expecting us out by May 1st, had already positioned themselves to begin taking over the country starting on that date. Which they did.

 

[Pyrite]

With whom did Bideb negotiate an extension? It wasn't with the Taliban, who, expecting us out by May 1st, had already positioned themselves to begin taking over the country starting on that date. Which they did.

The Taliban.

Back to trump: he and Pompeo failed to include provisions re getting our troops out of Afghanistan in that contract they wrote, negotiated, and signed with the Taliban.

If you find out I'm wrong, all you have to do is post that contract, in its entirety (it's not that long, as I recall) and include the link to it. Be sure to point out the clauses that include the terms for the safe withdrawal of our military forces.

 

[j brown's body]

The deal was for our troops to be fully out of Afghanistan by 5/1/2021. Biden didn't adhere to that. First he announced he would withdraw our troops by 9/11/2021. Then he left troops in Afghanistan past the agreed to timeline of 5/1/2021. At that point, the agreement was essentially null and void. At that point, the Taliban began working on taking over Afghanistan. By July, the Taliban was was making big advances, pushing Biden to announce an August withdrawal. The 13 troops killed in a massive terrorist attack, killing hundreds of others, would likely have been back in America, alive, had Biden stuck to the agreement.

The Taliban wouldn't have worked to take over if the troops had been removed on 5/1? That doesn't make sense.

 

[Mycroft]

I guess we are going to gloss over all the infractions against Trump's plan by the Taliban and various Afghani factions while Trump did nothing about it.

You'll notice that, even though the Taliban agreed to the plan in Feb. 2024, Trump didn't totally withdraw by Nov. 2024. That was because of those infractions. So no, I'm not glossing over anything.

And I'm particularly NOT glossing over the fact that the Biden pukes disregarded the infractions and conducted their disastrous withdrawal anyway...in complete disregard for Trump's plan.

 

[Pyrite]

You'll notice that, even though the Taliban agreed to the plan in Feb. 2024, Trump didn't totally withdraw by Nov. 2024. That was because of those infractions. So no, I'm not glossing over anything.

And I'm particularly NOT glossing over the fact that the Biden pukes disregarded the infractions and conducted their disastrous withdrawal anyway...in complete disregard for Trump's plan.

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Prove your claim that trump neglected to withdraw the troops by November 2024, due to "infractions" on the part of the Taliban:

Copies and pastes of excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.

I'm eagerly anticipating reading what you provide.

AND, of course, you'll also have to provide the clauses/stipulations in the body of that contract that specify exactly how the withdrawal of US troops was to be conducted - in order to get our people out safely. I am REALLY looking forward to seeing what you come up with!

 

[Jagged]

The Taliban.

Back to trump: he and Pompeo failed to include provisions re getting our troops out of Afghanistan in that contract they wrote, negotiated, and signed with the Taliban.

If you find out I'm wrong, all you have to do is post that contract, in its entirety (it's not that long, as I recall) and include the link to it. Be sure to point out the clauses that include the terms for the safe withdrawal of our military forces.

I'm not saying you're wrong about Trump not having a final exit plan. But Biden was president when that was to take place, so that's on Biden.

Do you have a link where Biden negotiated an extended withdrawal date with the Taliban? I wasn't aware of that.

 

[Jagged]

The Taliban wouldn't have worked to take over if the troops had been removed on 5/1? That doesn't make sense.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, since Trump made a deal with them that our troops would be fully out by May 1st, the Taliban prepared to take over the country starting on that date. Which they did. And which they would have done whether we still had troops there past that deadline or not. The only difference would have been all our troops would have been withdrawn had Biden stuck to the agreement.

 

[Jagged]

You'll notice that, even though the Taliban agreed to the plan in Feb. 2024, Trump didn't totally withdraw by Nov. 2024. That was because of those infractions. So no, I'm not glossing over anything.

And I'm particularly NOT glossing over the fact that the Biden pukes disregarded the infractions and conducted their disastrous withdrawal anyway...in complete disregard for Trump's plan.

What are you talking about? Trump didn't leave troops past November, 2020 because the Taliban wasn't compliant with the agreement. His plan was to pull them out by May 1st, 2021.

 

[Pyrite]

I'm not saying you're wrong about Trump not having a final exit plan. But Biden was president when that was to take place, so that's on Biden.

Do you have a link where Biden negotiated an extended withdrawal date with the Taliban? I wasn't aware of that.

NO, it's not on Biden. The contract had already been negotiated and SIGNED.

Biden couldn't unilaterally change the terms of the contract by adding clauses that stipulated the Taliban wouldn't attack US troops as they left. Good grief, that was what the persons who wrote and signed the contract were supposed to have done! What the ****ing CinC is supposed to have taken care of, as part of his ****ing job.

Note: I worked for DoD in my formative younger adult years. What did I do? I negotiated contracts. If something wasn't covered in the contract, it didn't exist. Biden was left with nada. Whether trump and pompeo did that deliberately is something we should all think about.

 

[j brown's body]

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, since Trump made a deal with them that our troops would be fully out by May 1st, the Taliban prepared to take over the country starting on that date. Which they did. And which they would have done whether we still had troops there past that deadline or not. The only difference would have been all our troops would have been withdrawn had Biden stuck to the agreement.

I don't understand what difference it makes.

 

[Jagged]

NO, it's not on Biden. The contract had already been negotiated and SIGNED.

Biden couldn't unilaterally change the terms of the contract by adding clauses that stipulated the Taliban wouldn't attack US troops as they left. Good grief, that was what the persons who wrote and signed the contract were supposed to have done!

Note: I worked for DoD in my formative younger adult years. What did I do? I negotiated contracts. If something wasn't covered in the contract, it didn't exist. Biden was left with nada. Whether trump and pompeo did that deliberately is something we should all think about.

I'm not saying Biden should have done anything beyond the parameters of the agreement. The only thing Biden had to do, was to stick to the terms of the agreement and get all of our troops out by 5/1/2021.

Can you show where Biden negotiated a deal with the Taliban to extend the date of withdrawal?

 

[Pyrite]

I don't understand what difference it makes.

It makes no difference. Biden did stick to the contract: a two-party agreement to extend the withdrawal date became part of the contract.

Whether the troops were withdrawn on the original (trump) date or at the later, negotiated with the Taliban date, almost certainly makes no difference re the chaos, confusion, and deaths of US military personnel, given the fact trump REFUSED to include anything in his contract that safeguarded our people.

That, to me, is clearly dereliction of duty. And it's unforgiveable.

At how many levels in the WH and the DoD did this thing get reviewed? Who the hell signed off on it?