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Trump moving forward to divert $3.6B from military projects for border wall

Yet, you don't know exactly what it is officially supposed to accomplish. You don't know how or when it will be determined a success. You don't know how success will be measured or when success or failure will be measured or who will measure and report it. Nor do you know the data against which the success or failure of Trumps Wall will be measured.

Is also rather funny that you don't know any of those answers either and yet are completly opposed to the wall.
Improving border security is virtually the only real policy of trumps that I support, I am not saying his wall is the best way to go about it, but it's really sad to see all those on the left who supported all the former democrats who claimed they wanted to see a wall built on the border but yet now are completly dead set against the wall or virtually any effort to enforce this countries immigration law.
Way to many on the left side from some server TDS and simply can't support anything that Trump is for. And we winner why this country is so screwed up.
 
Donald does not care about what our tax dollars were actually appropriated for. He believes he is all-powerful, all-knowing, and entitled to every wish, with no sense of boundaries, and no concern for the impact this will have on the programs that will be effected. Whoever these funds have been removed from are now his next victims.


Seeing as the US Supreme Court has stated Trump is within his legal authority to do this it makes your little rant rather pathetic.
 
Good so that’s $3.6 billion that the military doesn’t need for their budget next year. All the money trump is spending on the wall, that he diverted from other funds, is excess from whatever budget he pulled it from so they obviously don’t need it next year.

Exactly. And that 175 Miles of wall isn't even a drop in the bucket for the total amount of wall needed.
#Goodtimes
 
Excellent because many of us are worried about it. Trump has no clue what he wants to accomplish. None. He can't tell you because he doesn't even know.

Reducation from what number to what number over what period of time?

You are absolutely correct. Donald has poor behavioral controls, and an impulsive nature. He lacks any kind of realistic plan for anything.
 
Just the beginning, they are testing the waters of how to take money from agencies... NEXT they will take money from "Safety Net" programs, beause they see these rabid minded types don't understand the game being played on them.

It's the same principle used to "Abolish Job Paid Pension Plans'... when the game was sold to them, that companies would do a dollar for dollar match, then it was 75 cent to a dollar, down to 25 cent to a dollar to "O" to the dollar... all the while wages became stagnant and people could not contribute enough to the plan to have a decent requirement income. They fell for it, because generalized ignorance is no match for wealthy corporate schemes. Now... we have the grand schemer in the white house backed by a right wing rabid 'Confederacy Groomed Republican Senate"... who loves every minute of stripping anything and everything away from the public.

they think they are hurting blacks and immigrants, and poor whites are considered nothing more than acceptable collateral damages, because they can be easily hoodwinked by simply giving them someone to blame and someone to look down upon... but never to blame the Confederate Minded Republicans who are the real danger and damage maker in this nation. But as LBJ said more than 50+ yrs ago.



Johnson was very smart and sadly the people were too ignorant to even know that he was telling them the truth about themselves, and they still refuse to change.
LBJ knew exactly what the mindset were of the Segregationist, the White Nationalist, and the White Supremacist and tried to warn the people of the mad and vile game that was being played upon them... but they did not care...they simply cared to continue their Jim Crow groomed in training.... and as time has come to prove... there is no more middle class, and poverty spread across 50 states. while the wealthy now count their money in 10's, $100's of million to $Billions and still they are continuing to empty their pockets, for the lust of wanting someone to look down upon... while they fall lower and lower themselves.

After looking down, when they are themselves driving themselves lower, they resort to violence, and we see it in the mass shooting, kids killing families, mom and pop killing the kids, kids shooing up other kids in schools.... and the cycles of savagery continues... while the wealthy engage their savagery of amassing more money than they can ever spend. Pushing for a Plutocratic System, where they can re-create a form of Serfdom, which many of these sames types, ancestry hailed from and they've lusted for a return to serfdom over 100's of years, in their continued worship of the wealthy.

YOU JUST CAN'T FIX THAT KIND OF STUPIDITY, AND THAT LEVEL OF INSANITY WILL NEVER ACKNOWLEDGE ITS OWN INSANE REPETITIONS.

They are daily led by the "Let's Attack Something" which is drilled in their head 24/7 from Right Wing Media and Right Wing Talking Heads on the Radio.... and it has gained them "nothing" but the drama cycles of ego elation of "attacking something"... unaware the attack doubles back upon themselves. Then they try and find some place to lay blame except upon themselves.
That's the delusion that "white superiority creates".. is a self defeat game... the Plutocrats have been honing for centuries.

Hating and attacking something over 100's of years has not uplifted their life one bit!!! but they tune in to the "Attack Grooming Media, every day with a devotion as that of a "drama junkie".... seeking a daily drama fix. America is a Good system which The Right Wing Talking Heads make a fortune by such minions gathering and tuning in (taking away a weekly salary for doing so to the tune of $576,923.00 (EVERY WEEK) as they groomed them to "Attack Something" while their lives fall lower and lower and the wealthy become extremely wealthy.

The industrial farm industry will come in and buy up and buy out all the farmers who are being led to ruins... and they can't see it even as it takes places on a continual cycle.

The Right Wing Establishment has spent 100's of years honing the game of "SERF MAKING".

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Of course I support the wall.

You support his non-existent wall huh?

What about the fence? Do you support that too?

Would you support it if it were a hedge?
 
Exactly. And that 175 Miles of wall isn't even a drop in the bucket for the total amount of wall needed.
#Goodtimes


Not only that, but the wall will need money in order to be maintained over time. It produces no revenue, just another tax drain.
 
Yet, you don't know exactly what it is officially supposed to accomplish. You don't know how or when it will be determined a success. You don't know how success will be measured or when success or failure will be measured or who will measure and report it. Nor do you know the data against which the success or failure of Trumps Wall will be measured.

we have approx 300-500k of illegals crossing the border annually (no one knows for sure anymore) and those numbers may be wrong

if the wall can cut those number down by 75% i will be happy

will it completely cut off all of them....nope

but will a father, pregnant mom, and a 2 yr old even try if the wall is now up? unlikely....

i guess time will tell....

anything is BETTER than what we have now....which is almost nothing

time to get serious about the wall, and about E-verify at every employer....

and that still doesnt solve the problem completely....but it helps
 
Well, I'm not sure what we're winning by diverting funds appropriated by Congress for one purpose and diverted for an entirely different purpose -- without any weighing of the consequences. But I understand your glee that Trump thumbing his nose is a "win."

However, there are two issues here:

1) Is this a good idea? Again, there were no hearings or deliberations to weigh what won't happen when the money doesn't get spent on its intended subject and instead gets diverted to the wall.

We have seen that with DHS, who Trump moved $271 million in funds from FEMA, for disaster aide, to support President Trump's border enforcement efforts. So, what happens when there is a natural disaster, like a hurricane, even though that never happens?

2) Congress has the constitutional authority to spend money and creates a budget that outlines specifically where money is to be spent. I am so glad Trumpsters are finally admitting they care not about what the constitution actually says.
What this also means is that if the courts allow Trump to move money around to wherever he sees fit, irrespective of the legislative intent, it makes a farce of the federal budget. It also means that Congress with have to add language like, "this appropriation is for the purpose designated and may not be redirected for any other purpose without a vote of Congress."
 
we have approx 300-500k of illegals crossing the border annually (no one knows for sure anymore) and those numbers may be wrong

if the wall can cut those number down by 75% i will be happy

will it completely cut off all of them....nope

but will a father, pregnant mom, and a 2 yr old even try if the wall is now up? unlikely....

i guess time will tell....

anything is BETTER than what we have now....which is almost nothing

time to get serious about the wall, and about E-verify at every employer....

and that still doesnt solve the problem completely....but it helps

That's a very good argument for requesting Congress provide funds for that purpose, which Congress has refused to do. The remedy is not an end-run around Congress, that your side would have howled at the moon if Obama did it.
 
Of course I support the wall.


Me too! I live near the border and have seen with my own eyes how bad things really are. ....I think its fabulous that as usual. .....President Trump finds a way to do the right thing for America and Americans!
 
What standards will the Trump government use to measure the effectiveness of Trump's Wall?

What will be measured and against what?

Has the Trump Administration produced any baseline data? Please provide a link.

What will be the criteria for measurement?

Who will measure it?

When and how often?

How will it be reported?

When will we know if Trump's Wall accomplishes its mission? Or doesn't?

Come to think of it what is the official stated mission of Trump's Wall?

I'm not a member of the Trump Party. I do read information about Trump's Wall but there is a fair chance I haven't seen all related information. I can well understand how Trump Wall supporters would have more information than I have. Please, then provide answers to my questions. If you post your answers with links I'd very much appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.


I asked a lot of these questions in the wall threads early on, to which some posters reacted as me being against the wall only because I didn't like Trump. These are the kind of questions anyone should ask if they're proposing spending billions on a project of this size; and for a wall which will require surveillance and continued maintenance.
 
3.6 billion vs. a $15.99 shovel? :lamo

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I asked a lot of these questions in the wall threads early on, to which some posters reacted as me being against the wall only because I didn't like Trump. These are the kind of questions anyone should ask if they're proposing spending billions on a project of this size; and for a wall which will require surveillance and continued maintenance.

all of the prior border wall that was built before Trump became President needs surveillance and maintenance and yet some only complain now about expense when new wall is built

Hundreds of thousands of illegals are walking across our open border.....what is the cost and maintenance to our society?
 
Most of these people on here talking have never even seen an Illegal Immigrants except on FOX NEWS, and some likely have not even seen a Mexican person in person.... Legal Status or Illegal Status.

As long as they are given something to "attack" and someone to blame for their own condition, that's all they care about, because then they won't have to face their own lack of self investment to improve their own lives.
Jobs that Mexicans both Legal and Illegal perform... one could not get some of these people to even consider doing those jobs... but...when one has been groomed their whole life that the mentality of "talk shet", "Attack Something" and "bully stomp" and pretend they are some how better than others... is all they care about.

Then when the tornado and raging floods comes and blow their single wide or double wide into tiny pieces, or the cheaply built homes that litter many rural areas, or the old un-maintained homes in rural areas, are falling apart and the streets have crumbled from lack of maintenance because the jobs and the circulation of money that jobs once created, has left long ago for Foreign Shores.... until they can't even keep the exterior painted...and they are buried in credit debt trying to live an illusions, and suddenly they are hit by a natural disaster.... guess they will blame that on immigrants too.

While they sit around with a vain hope that some "assembly line factory is going to come back", or some "backbreaking manual labor is going to return".... Maybe some should go out to the inner cities,the old suburbs and rural areas and look at the high number of "broken down bodies of the people", who have no pension, nor recourse to address companies that put them in unsafe work conditions, and now Trump has promoted not holding companies responsible to maintain safety records, to ensure these same "disposable labor persons" can't recover any damages for the break down of their health.

But people want to be blind to it, because they'd already labeled these people as being "poor whites" and call them trash... so in principle they have made sure these people don't matter... Yet... these same people are blind enough to keep a vain hope that the wealthy white man is going to give them something... when it has always been the wealthy white man's system that has denied and taken everything from them and always seen and continue to see them as 'disposable".

Heck Republican will never support quality health care, because their mindset is why should any money be spent on people they already consider as disposable.... Maybe people walk around and try to ignore the many people who have lost most of their teeth because they could never afford dental care, or walking around by the time they are 50, looking 15 yrs older and by the time they are 65 many look everyday of being near 80.... But this does not even account for all, because some are so buried in debt, they can't see any way out other than abusing the kids, the wife, and when that abuse is not enough, they just kill the family and themselves.
Some as soon as they can't buy stuff to try to live like a "TV Commercials" they claim depressed and when they are not fawned over as if they are popular, they become savage and go out committing mass murder of innocent people...

Yep, its all real... its not an anomaly... the cycle is repeated everyday. Sadly, because women no longer will allow themselves to submit to be dominated over, we can't turn to any news without seeing where some female has been abducted, raped, mutilated and even now more female kids are disappearing only later to be found dead... by some maligned minded being who has no respect for the lives of other... only driven by the ever increasing savage instincts.

So go on and chase the delusion of Trump trying to build a Monument to himself...and think its about what ever delusion you choose... when the consequences of your mentality fall upon you "again"... don't go whining "my tax dollars" and "I've been left behind", and I've been forgotten.... accept the fact you contributed to doing it to yourself.
 
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Seeing as the US Supreme Court has stated Trump is within his legal authority to do this it makes your little rant rather pathetic.

Remember that for when a dem is president and declares a national emergency for an item you disagree with.
 
all of the prior border wall that was built before Trump became President needs surveillance and maintenance and yet some only complain now about expense when new wall is built

Hundreds of thousands of illegals are walking across our open border.....what is the cost and maintenance to our society?

The complaints came because he sought to expand the size of the wall beyond what was already in place; that combined with the BPs low rate of employee retention made the entire matter questionable given the wide border we share with Mexico. The other big complaint is the wall does nothing for the large percentage of illegal migrants which arrived by plane. Some of the work that's been done with the countries from which these migrants travel (funding educational/economic projects as in the case of El Salvador) are sounder ways of reducing the migration rate. The work Mexico has done has helped as well, though my question with that is how long they'll continue to do so.
 
Those are all very good questions which should be asked about every bit of federal spending, yet obviously won't be asked, much less answered (other than to assert that the government "lacks resources" to answer them and thus needs more funding).

Is a constructed (or reconstructed) wall needed along the Mexico border?
 
Remember that for when a dem is president and declares a national emergency for an item you disagree with.

Usually congress does it's job and appropriates the funds. Maybe you should be complaining about congress and not the prez. Maybe you should consider voting for other than the incumbent in congress in the next election. I hope you acknowledge there is a crisis at the border.
 
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