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Trump memo allows federal workers to persuade coworkers their religion is ‘correct’

I suspect what it really does is make it okay for Christians to also speak freely and display symbols.
when couldn't they do that? give some examples that this memo changes? were they being illegally discriminated against or something?
christians in the US seem to have this weird victim complex where they are the majority and have effectively ruled this country since the start, yet somehow..they are the victims.
 
What do you mean by the bolded?
You know, like other religious groups. You don't really think that other religions were told to take down their religious symbols under the Biden administration, do you?
 
You know, like other religious groups. You don't really think that other religions were told to take down their religious symbols under the Biden administration, do you?
what "religious symbols" were christians "told to take down", and which religions were allowed to keep similar symbols up?
give some examples of unequal treatment.
 
You know, like other religious groups. You don't really think that other religions were told to take down their religious symbols under the Biden administration, do you?

I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
The memo also said one or more employees should be allowed to engage in individual or communal religious expressions and that employees can engage in conversations on religious topics “including attempting to persuade others of the correctness of their own religious views, provided that such efforts are not harassing in nature.”
Wasn't DOGE supposed to make government more efficient? Now people get leave to engage in religious conversions on taxpayer dime?
 
Wasn't DOGE supposed to make government more efficient? Now people get leave to engage in religious conversions on taxpayer dime?
to be honest, I dont even think DOGE even exists anymore :LOL:
 
The memo also said one or more employees should be allowed to engage in individual or communal religious expressions and that employees can engage in conversations on religious topics “including attempting to persuade others of the correctness of their own religious views, provided that such efforts are not harassing in nature.”

Under current law, "such efforts" would be almost certainly be considered harassing by default.
 
Don't get me wrong, I respect AA.

No doubt about that. It is hard to find fault anywhere in you :)


Greatly. The Steps are a good blueprint for life. AA has done some tremendous things in the lives of those I love, and for this I am eternal grateful to them.

But yes, when I was back in the city in my old neighborhood, they would come into bars - proselytizing - carrying copies of the Big Book.

I'd also like to add I'm tossing this stuff out in good humour, not animus.


You are probably right. AA has some fundamental basics common to every meeting. But beyond that each meeting is tailored to meet the quirks and eccentricities of various folks. Sometimes a meeting is set up- each usually needs just a hall and coffee machine :) - maybe because a group of folks just want a relaxed or tighter environment. Some people visit various halls and are familiar with the prevailing atmosphere at each. That was never my thing. I only ever was part of two. In two different cities. Mainly because I moved. In the second location I was told half the members moved and set up a meeting not too far away. It seems those who left wanted a more hip kind of atmosphere. Some at my new hall thought maybe I belonged to that hip hall LOL No, the last thing I wanted was something like that. I liked the down to earth folks at my new hall just fine.

So, yes I can understand that some hall may have taken to the evangelism you describe.

I have not been there for years. But it did the trick for me. It works if you make it work, is one of the slogans there :)
 
I have not been there for years. But it did the trick for me. It works if you make it work, is one of the slogans there
Worked for my dad and my best friend's father. One of the keys to its success is pairing a support person with each new member.

That person has credibility because they've "been there" and recovered.
 
I suspect what it really does is make it okay for Christians to also speak freely and display symbols.

It'a always been ok to display symbols, and "speaking freely" is quite an open-ended term.

But what Trump's instruction "really does" is nothing at all. Title VII is a law, Trump can't make it go away, no matter how much he wants to.
 
Worked for my dad and my best friend's father. One of the keys to its success is pairing a support person with each new member.

That person has credibility because they've "been there" and recovered.


Pairing is essential. It cannot be overstated. A new member is like a person under a tug of war; between the vice and the support member. A new member that does not hold tight to the support will lose to the vice. Usually by the time a new member winds up in an AA room he/she is in really bad shape. My first night I found the atmosphere most soothing on my body. I went straight home to bed that night
 
You know, like other religious groups. You don't really think that other religions were told to take down their religious symbols under the Biden administration, do you?
Do you think there were Federal workplaces that prominently displaying Islamic or Hindu material?
 
No doubt about that. It is hard to find fault anywhere in you :)





You are probably right. AA has some fundamental basics common to every meeting. But beyond that each meeting is tailored to meet the quirks and eccentricities of various folks. Sometimes a meeting is set up- each usually needs just a hall and coffee machine :) - maybe because a group of folks just want a relaxed or tighter environment. Some people visit various halls and are familiar with the prevailing atmosphere at each. That was never my thing. I only ever was part of two. In two different cities. Mainly because I moved. In the second location I was told half the members moved and set up a meeting not too far away. It seems those who left wanted a more hip kind of atmosphere. Some at my new hall thought maybe I belonged to that hip hall LOL No, the last thing I wanted was something like that. I liked the down to earth folks at my new hall just fine.

So, yes I can understand that some hall may have taken to the evangelism you describe.

I have not been there for years. But it did the trick for me. It works if you make it work, is one of the slogans there :)

Thank you for the kind words, Juin.

I indeed have experience with The Big Book. One of my close family members, someone I love very much, 12 Stepped their way to sobriety at a young age.

I read the Book myself, and came to the conclusion that I too was going down the wrong path in my own drinking. I literally walked away from drinking then & there, and never looked back. That was so long ago, that my years of not drinking are longer than my years from the cradle to the time of giving it up!

This I can say: I don't know exactly where I was in my drinking career. But I do know I saw myself in far too many of the stories in the Big Book. It scared me in a good way, enough to say I was no longer going to put myself at risk. I saw enough, that I knew I didn't want to chance living out the rest! This was helped along by my having just done a terribly stupid thing under the influence of alcohol, that could have had extremely dire consequences (but didn't).

I was pushed to walk away from drinking by the stories in the big book, particularly the revelation that alcoholism runs in families and is hereditary. I have another older close relative that had given up the bottle when I was a kid, so that meant I had two family members close to me with alcohol problems.

In addition - a big driver to walk away was the lack of judgment I used my recent problematic drinking incident, an incident that could have had serious lifechanging consequences for myself and others around me. The next day trying to resolve the aftermath, I asked myself, "How could I have had such a serious lapse of judgment?". Of course we know how - the booze!

That lapse of judgement was the scariest element of the whole ordeal. That I had acted in a seriously foolish manner I never would otherwise have. It cause me to become too afraid to drink again, and possibly have another judgement error. There's nothing scarier in life than to think you could lose your judgement. Without one's judgement, you have nothing. It's who we are.

Anyway, thanks for sharing this with me. I'm glad you found a tool that works for you. It's why I'm a huge proponent of AA. I've seen it literally save lives, including two very beloved family members.

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Oh, one last thing. The Steps. They're excellent! I loved them. As a Catholic we work those same steps every day in our daily lives, as we go about living our Faith. Reading the Steps, I saw the similarity to the tenets of my Catholic Faith. They reawakened and rekindled my interest in my Faith, bringing me closer to the Church. For that, I am grateful.

I wouldn't doubt the spiritual aspect is one of the reasons for AA's success. Never underestimate the power of Faith! It can literally move mountains, and empower us to battle our biggest demons. Demons both within, and without!

And here's a secret: Our biggest demons reside within! Our fate is not determined as much by external events, as it is by how we live within ourselves, thereby determining how we deal with the external world.
 
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I've done this with interest and enjoyment:

The memo also said one or more employees should be allowed to engage in individual or communal religious expressions and that employees can engage in conversations on religious topics

But this is a line we never crossed nor thought about crossing:

“including attempting to persuade others of the correctness of their own religious views, provided that such efforts are not harassing in nature.”
 
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