Trump makes 'Pocahontas' crack at event honoring Navajo [W:313]

[gfm7175]

Ah, more rhetorical nonsense, how droll and predictable.

Since you failed to address my post, i will repeat it:



Now, can you address the strength of that argument, rather than deflecting to your irrelevant, rhetorical distinction?

Talk about failing to address the strength of an argument, you never addressed my last post... just wrote it off as nonsense...

So, I ask again, is attacking Warren for her lie attacking Native Americans as a whole?

 

[Absentglare]

Also, I don't see why the reason for the attack matters... The position of "Pocahontas" being a racial slur towards Native Americans is based off of this line of thinking:
1) Trump used the word Pocahontas as an attack on Elizabeth Warren's heritage claims.
2) Pocahontas happened to be a Native American.
3) Thus, Trump racially slurred Native Americans.

My example followed that same line of thought:
1) I used the word Einstein as an attack on your intelligence claims.
2) Einstein happened to be a Caucasian Jew.
3) Thus, I racially slurred Caucasians and Jews.

I would think that if you believe the first one to be true, you would have to also believe the second one to be true, or else your position is hypocritical.

You misrepresented the line of thought.

Pocahontas didn't "happen to be" a Native American. President Trump chose Pocahontas because she is Native American. He is using her alleged race as the basis of his insult, which is literally the definition of a racial slur.

 

[Paperview]

A commenter on the http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/the-dumbest-plagiarism-scandal-ever/#ixzz4zrI36n1p
website I linked to earlier regarding the Pow Wow Cookbook noted this, succinctly:

"As Steven points out, the family involvement in the book points out how much members of Warrens family believed in the story.

… Unless of course the book was actually a cunning plot to help back up Warren’s claim so she could later use that status to apply for jobs (jobs which, by the admission of a conservative, former Reagan official, where her claims to Native American heritage had nothing to do with getting the job)."

 

[nota bene]

It's a 35 year old book of "favorite recipes" from the family, edited by one of Warren's family members -- not necessarily original recipes, and hot damn! don't you dare ever contribute to your church or town local recipe book one of your favorite recipes (without attribution, which you may or may not know, because, you know...recipes...) cuz you be thieving!

<smh>

No, you simply give credit to your source.

And by your yardstick, it's apparently more okay to steal from a "nobody" than it would be to steal from a Shakespeare. Do you really want to go down slippery slope?

Begin with this: Stealing is stealing, and it's wrong to steal.

 

[nota bene]

You're free to withhold your support on the sole basis of something so meaningless and petty, but i find it unlikely to convince anyone who isn't already looking for an excuse to agree with you.

I have no idea what you mean here. My support for what?

 

[Absentglare]

Talk about failing to address the strength of an argument, you never addressed my last post... just wrote it off as nonsense...

So, I ask again, is attacking Warren for her lie attacking Native Americans as a whole?

It isn't attacking her for her lie to call her Pocahontas.

 

[Absentglare]

I have no idea what you mean here. My support for what?

Elizabeth Warren, i don't see how her recipes are related to her public service.

 

[Desert Storm]

It isn't attacking her for her lie to call her Pocahontas

Exactly. Its an insult to her, and not to any native-Indians

 

[nota bene]

Elizabeth Warren, i don't see how her recipes are related to her public service.

I guess you didn't read the David French article I linked or even what I said in my post. Oh, well.

 

[danarhea]

Also, I don't see why the reason for the attack matters... The position of "Pocahontas" being a racial slur towards Native Americans is based off of this line of thinking:
1) Trump used the word Pocahontas as an attack on Elizabeth Warren's heritage claims.
2) Pocahontas happened to be a Native American.
3) Thus, Trump racially slurred Native Americans.

My example followed that same line of thought:
1) I used the word Einstein as an attack on your intelligence claims.
2) Einstein happened to be a Caucasian Jew.
3) Thus, I racially slurred Caucasians and Jews.

I would think that if you believe the first one to be true, you would have to also believe the second one to be true, or else your position is hypocritical.

Actually, your line of thinking is wrong because it leaves out the fact that Pocahontas was captured, then raped after her husband was executed, then poisoned. The reason that Native Americans are insulted by any mention of her is because they know the real history behind her rape and murder, and bristle at white people for suggesting that her story was in any way romantic. The name, Pocahontas, is an insult to them, and this is the reason why.

 

[gfm7175]

You misrepresented the line of thought.

Pocahontas didn't "happen to be" a Native American. President Trump chose Pocahontas because she is Native American. He is using her alleged race as the basis of his insult, which is literally the definition of a racial slur.

When criticizing someone for falsely claiming to be Native American, one is going to mock her by calling her a name of someone who actually WAS Native American... it only makes the insult make sense...

Same goes when criticizing someone for falsely claiming to be intelligent... one is going to mock them by calling them a name of someone who actually WAS intelligent... it only makes the insult make sense...

 

[gfm7175]

Actually, your line of thinking is wrong because it leaves out the fact that Pocahontas was captured, then raped after her husband was executed, then poisoned. The reason that Native Americans are insulted by any mention of her is because they know the real history behind her rape and murder, and bristle at white people for suggesting that her story was in any way romantic. The name, Pocahontas, is an insult to them, and this is the reason why.

One of those two vets who Trump was giving the speech for was specifically asked about whether he was offended by it, and he said that he wasn't...

 

[gfm7175]

Actually, your line of thinking is wrong because it leaves out the fact that Pocahontas was captured, then raped after her husband was executed, then poisoned. The reason that Native Americans are insulted by any mention of her is because they know the real history behind her rape and murder, and bristle at white people for suggesting that her story was in any way romantic. The name, Pocahontas, is an insult to them, and this is the reason why.

Plus, that just means that white people are wrong to suggest that, and that bad things happened to her. It doesn't make the mere fact of using her name a racial insult towards Native Americans...

 

[Absentglare]

When criticizing someone for falsely claiming to be Native American, one is going to mock her by calling her a name of someone who actually WAS Native American... it only makes the insult make sense...

Same goes when criticizing someone for falsely claiming to be intelligent... one is going to mock them by calling them a name of someone who actually WAS intelligent... it only makes the insult make sense...

You are correct. Instead of attacking the lie, he dragged a representative of Native Americans into his attack. This is why it is a racial slur as well as a personal attack.

 

[Absentglare]

I guess you didn't read the David French article I linked or even what I said in my post. Oh, well.

I read the excerpt you quoted where he accuses her of "directly" copying a recipe for her cousin's cookbook.

I just don't see how it's relevant or meaningful.

 

[gfm7175]

You are correct. Instead of attacking the lie, he dragged a representative of Native Americans into his attack. This is why it is a racial slur as well as a personal attack.

You just want it to be a racial slur... He was personally attacking her for her lie. Nothing more, nothing less...

 

[Absentglare]

You just want it to be a racial slur... He was personally attacking her for her lie. Nothing more, nothing less...

That is laughably false. I would very much prefer to have a president who didn't go out of his way to humiliate and attack his own constituents.

 

[gfm7175]

That is laughably false. I would very much prefer to have a president who didn't go out of his way to humiliate and attack his own constituents.

Then see it for what it actually was... a personal insult directed towards Warren and her lie... And I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your overly generic final sentence, so idk how to respond to it...

 

[Rogue Valley]

I read the excerpt you quoted where he accuses her of "directly" copying a recipe for her cousin's cookbook.

I just don't see how it's relevant or meaningful.

It isn't. It's a distraction away from Trump. Whataboutism.

 

[Kobie]

I'm curious as to what inspired Trump to start taking potshots at Elizabeth Warren during a celebration to honor the Navajo codetalkers, regardless of how feebly his slurpers try to justify his asshole behavior.

 

[Paperview]

No, you simply give credit to your source.

And by your yardstick, it's apparently more okay to steal from a "nobody" than it would be to steal from a Shakespeare. Do you really want to go down slippery slope?

Begin with this: Stealing is stealing, and it's wrong to steal.

Kee-rist....it's a freaking two bit recipe book of collected "favorite recipes" sold in a museum gift shop. How do you know she even knew someone in NY compiled the omelette recipe?

My 80 year old aunt handed me numerous recipe cards through the years, some she copied from other sources and sometimes added or subtracted ingredients. She wasn't working a term paper, and didn't note "From Aunt Hazel as listed in the Community Church recipe book collection" or from Better Homes and Gardens, Susan Smith, page 112.

This is so stoopid.

I also would like to note, I took a few minutes to check out how you reacted when Melania Trump in front of the entire world, (not for a piddly little book sold in a highway Museum gift store) stole whole swaths of word-for-word lines from Michelle Obama's speech -- and ---color me surprised, you, as first poster after the OP here...
Melania plagiarized Michelle Obama

said:

"these are all well-worn platitudes not unique to either woman."

Isn't that a kick.

 

[Absentglare]

Then see it for what it actually was... a personal insult directed towards Warren and her lie... And I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your overly generic final sentence, so idk how to respond to it...

If it were ONLY a personal attack, he would have left Pocahontas and her legacy out of it. He neglected to do that, and now you're failing to claim that he's not responsible for what he says.

 

[Paperview]

"A Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe leader issued a damning response Wednesday to President Donald Trump’s “Pocahontas” slur earlier this week during an event meant to honor Navajo Code Talkers.

Harold Frazier, chairman of the South Dakota-based tribe, said he was “deeply ashamed” of Trump’s “disgusting” treatment of the World War II veterans and appeared to suggest that the president should resign.

“The President of the United States had an opportunity to honor veterans and bridge gaps in the relationship Tribes have with the Federal government,” Frazier said in a statement sent to HuffPost. “Instead, he chose to disgrace himself, his position and the nation he represents.”

Frazier continued, “The President of the United States wanted to utilize an opportunity to honor native warriors who defended this land to make a political attack. I have one for him, leave the office you bought and take your swamp things with you.”

Sioux Leader To Trump: 'Leave The Office You Bought And Take Your Swamp Things With You'

*ouch!*

 

[Middleground]

Kee-rist....it's a freaking two bit recipe book of collected "favorite recipes" sold in a museum gift shop. How do you know she even knew someone in NY compiled the omelette recipe?

My 80 year old aunt handed me numerous recipe cards through the years, some she copied from other sources and sometimes added or subtracted ingredients. She wasn't working a term paper, and didn't note "From Aunt Hazel as listed in the Community Church recipe book collection" or from Better Homes and Gardens, Susan Smith, page 112.

This is so stoopid.

I also would like to note, I took a few minutes to check out how you reacted when Melania Trump in front of the entire world, (not for a piddly little book sold in a highway Museum gift store) stole whole swaths of word-for-word lines from Michelle Obama's speech -- and ---color me surprised, you, as first poster after the OP here...
Melania plagiarized Michelle Obama

said:

"these are all well-worn platitudes not unique to either woman."

Isn't that a kick.

Well done, sir! :applaud

 

[Kobie]

Kee-rist....it's a freaking two bit recipe book of collected "favorite recipes" sold in a museum gift shop. How do you know she even knew someone in NY compiled the omelette recipe?

My 80 year old aunt handed me numerous recipe cards through the years, some she copied from other sources and sometimes added or subtracted ingredients. She wasn't working a term paper, and didn't note "From Aunt Hazel as listed in the Community Church recipe book collection" or from Better Homes and Gardens, Susan Smith, page 112.

This is so stoopid.

I also would like to note, I took a few minutes to check out how you reacted when Melania Trump in front of the entire world, (not for a piddly little book sold in a highway Museum gift store) stole whole swaths of word-for-word lines from Michelle Obama's speech -- and ---color me surprised, you, as first poster after the OP here...
Melania plagiarized Michelle Obama

said:

"these are all well-worn platitudes not unique to either woman."

Isn't that a kick.

If I could like this post a million times, I would.