Trump: Mail-in voting presents ‘biggest risk’ to reelection

[TU Curmudgeon]

From Associated Press

Trump: Mail-in voting presents ‘biggest risk’ to reelection
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ATLANTA (AP) — President Donald Trump on Friday said the growing use of mail-in ballots is the “biggest risk” to his reelection, and his chances may hinge on whether he can successfully block efforts to make voting by mail easier during the pandemic.

Trump’s comments were his first casting such high stakes for his multimillion-dollar legal campaign to fight mail-in voting. It comes as several battleground states are engaged in heated fights over plans for November’s general election, and courts are settling partisan disputes over how easy it should be to vote by mail.

“My biggest risk is that we don’t win lawsuits,” Trump said in an interview with Politico published Friday. “We have many lawsuits going all over. And if we don’t win those lawsuits, I think — I think it puts the election at risk.”

Health officials have said voting by mail can help prevent the spread of the coronavirus. But Trump has made clear he believes widespread mail-in voting would benefit Democrats. He has alleged — without citing evidence — that mail voting will lead to massive fraud, and the Republican National Committee has budgeted $20 million to fight Democratic lawsuits in at least 18 states aimed at expand it.

COMMENT:-

Well, isn't it nice to know that Mr. Trump is slowly coming to the realization that if the American people have an honest opportunity to vote in November then he isn't likely to get reelected?
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[Captain Adverse]

From Associated Press

Trump: Mail-in voting presents ‘biggest risk’ to reelection
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ATLANTA (AP) — President Donald Trump on Friday said the growing use of mail-in ballots is the “biggest risk” to his reelection, and his chances may hinge on whether he can successfully block efforts to make voting by mail easier during the pandemic.

Trump’s comments were his first casting such high stakes for his multimillion-dollar legal campaign to fight mail-in voting. It comes as several battleground states are engaged in heated fights over plans for November’s general election, and courts are settling partisan disputes over how easy it should be to vote by mail.

“My biggest risk is that we don’t win lawsuits,” Trump said in an interview with Politico published Friday. “We have many lawsuits going all over. And if we don’t win those lawsuits, I think — I think it puts the election at risk.”

Health officials have said voting by mail can help prevent the spread of the coronavirus. But Trump has made clear he believes widespread mail-in voting would benefit Democrats. He has alleged — without citing evidence — that mail voting will lead to massive fraud, and the Republican National Committee has budgeted $20 million to fight Democratic lawsuits in at least 18 states aimed at expand it.

COMMENT:-

Well, isn't it nice to know that Mr. Trump is slowly coming to the realization that if the American people have an honest opportunity to vote in November then he isn't likely to get reelected?
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If mail in voting was absolutely secure, and not subject to fraud? I'd agree with you.

I don't believe it is a secure method of voting. :shrug:

 

[Mycroft]

If mail in voting was absolutely secure, and not subject to fraud? I'd agree with you.

I don't believe it is a secure method of voting. :shrug:

Colorado has had universal mail in voting since 2013, so we've had a lot of time to get it right. But for most other states that don't have it, this is a recipe for fraud and corruption.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Colorado has had universal mail in voting since 2013, so we've had a lot of time to get it right. But for most other states that don't have it, this is a recipe for fraud and corruption.

Colorado has the reputation for being a pretty honest, wholesome state

Mail-in voting in New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Illinois, etc. is going to be a fraudulent nightmare, full of parents forcing their adult children to show them their vote or get kicked out of the house, employers coercing their employees to vote a certain way in order to keep their job, people voting before Biden has had a chance to appear on the debate stage, etc.

 

[lurchadams]

If mail in voting was absolutely secure, and not subject to fraud? I'd agree with you.

I don't believe it is a secure method of voting. :shrug:

Colorado has the reputation for being a pretty honest, wholesome state

Mail-in voting in New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Illinois, etc. is going to be a fraudulent nightmare, full of parents forcing their adult children to show them their vote or get kicked out of the house, employers coercing their employees to vote a certain way in order to keep their job, people voting before Biden has had a chance to appear on the debate stage, etc.

<shaking my head> Hey, remember that "Voter Fraud Commission" trump created after the election because trump couldn't live with the fact that he lost the popular vote? They found absolutely nothing and had to disband in shame.

Right wing nuts know that the more people that have the opportunity to vote the worse they do in elections. There's a reason Republicans target likely Democratic voters in red states in order to suppress their vote. It's the only chance they have to win these days.

 

[ReubenSherr]

<shaking my head> Hey, remember that "Voter Fraud Commission" trump created after the election because trump couldn't live with the fact that he lost the popular vote? They found absolutely nothing and had to disband in shame.

???

That's because in 2016 there wasn't nationwide large-scale mail-in voting

How is that related?

 

[mike2810]

I have done mail in ballots for years. I can check on line when the ballot is received and recorded.

So who can say with 100% certainty that vote counting machines can't be compromised or that they record with 100% accuracy all the time.:mrgreen:

 

[Hatuey]

If mail in voting was absolutely secure, and not subject to fraud? I'd agree with you.

I don't believe it is a secure method of voting. :shrug:

The funny thing about guys like you is they're always claiming the system can be beaten, but they never actually beat it.

Funny, funny stuff.

Wookies > Trekkies

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

If mail in voting was absolutely secure, and not subject to fraud? I'd agree with you.

I don't believe it is a secure method of voting. :shrug:

Since Mr. Trump "voted by mail" in 2018, I don't think that he really agrees with you.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Colorado has had universal mail in voting since 2013, so we've had a lot of time to get it right. But for most other states that don't have it, this is a recipe for fraud and corruption.

You are coupling "fraud and corruption" with "elections".

So why is this something that anyone should consider to be "new"?

 

[ReubenSherr]

Since Mr. Trump "voted by mail" in 2018, I don't think that he really agrees with you.

Was he supposed to appear at the local polling station? :lamo

 

[Helix]

****weed McCultycult voted by mail.

 

[Chuck9788]

Everyone here knows that mail in voting would lead to massive voter fraud.

 

[lurchadams]

???

That's because in 2016 there wasn't nationwide large-scale mail-in voting

How is that related?

Over 20 states currently either have total or some mail-in voting, including trump's current home state of Florida. No significant voter fraud has ever occurred, despite your and trump's claim otherwise.

I understand you're frightened - you see how unpopular the current right-wing is and you're looking for ways to suppress the vote, as Republicans have for decades.

I'm sorry, I can't help you mitigate your fear, but you're false claims of voter fraud aren't going to work.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Over 20 states currently either have total or some mail-in voting, including trump's current home state of Florida. No significant voter fraud has ever occurred, despite your and trump's claim otherwise.

Nearly all of these states have mail-in voting only in the case that the person cannot physically be present in the state to vote

We have never had nationwide, large-scale mail-in voting - And lol guaranteeing (scientifically?) that there could not possibly be widescale fraud is absurd, and not proveable

Most importantly, why do you feel so strongly about it?

If it's perfectly safe to have huge BLM protests with everyone wearing masks, why not have in-person voting with everyone wearing masks? And maybe some exceptions for people with underlying health conditions?

Were you advocating for mail-in protests instead of live protests?

 

[lurchadams]

Nearly all of these states have mail-in voting only in the case that the person cannot physically be present in the state to vote

We have never had nationwide, large-scale mail-in voting - And lol guaranteeing (scientifically?) that there could not possibly be widescale fraud is absurd, and not proveable

Your post is ridiculous. You're asking for a negative to be proven. It would be just as ridiculous for you to say, "prove to me that voter machines can't be hacked via in person voting".

What has been proven is that via in person voting, the criminal right has done everything they can to make it more difficult for likely Democratic voters to vote by:

1. Eliminating same day voting registration
2. Requiring a specific kind of ID, but closing down the offices that offer that ID in likely Democratic voting areas
3. Closing down all but a few polling stations in likely Democratic voting areas.

You're just going to have to face facts that despite your desperation to prevent people from voting, they're going to come out and vote in droves in November and not the way you'd want.

I pity you, both for your desire to disenfranchise voters and for your misguided ideology.

 

[uptower]

Who would have thought people voting would be the greatest threat to Trump's reelection...

 

[ReubenSherr]

Your post is ridiculous. You're asking for a negative to be proven.

In-person voting is the standard - We have been using it as our national model of voting since the birth of our nation

Large-scale, nationwide mail-in voting is the exception, not the rule, and I believe that the burden of proof is on its advocates - If people want to change the system, the government will listen, but it's their responsible to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the election will not be chaotic and filled with fraud

 

[ReubenSherr]

What has been proven is that via in person voting, the criminal right has done everything they can to make it more difficult for likely Democratic voters to vote by:

1. Eliminating same day voting registration
2. Requiring a specific kind of ID, but closing down the offices that offer that ID in likely Democratic voting areas
3. Closing down all but a few polling stations in likely Democratic voting areas.

If these are authentically your concerns, why would liberals have waited until a pandemic to make this proposal?

You might have authentic reasons to advocate mail-in voting, but I don't believe for a second that a majority of the people proposing this are concerned about the items you listed - I haven't heard these arguments coming out of anyone on Capitol Hill, just a hard left "Everyone will still be in shutdown in November" temper tantrum

 

[yankintx]

Everyone here knows that mail in voting would lead to massive voter fraud.

Everyone?

Can you provide a cite to support your theory?

 

[lurchadams]

In-person voting is the standard - We have been using it as our national model of voting since the birth of our nation.

Yes, and people used to poop outdoors and get their water untreated from lakes and streams. Now we have toilets and indoor plumbing - I highly recommend you avail yourself to those upgrades.

Large-scale, nationwide mail-in voting is the exception, not the rule, and I believe that the burden of proof is on its advocates - If people want to change the system, the government will listen, but it's their responsible to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the election will not be chaotic and filled with fraud

It's not the exception in my state and several others where mail in voting has worked like a charm for years where again, no measurable voter fraud has occurred!

 

[lurchadams]

If these are authentically your concerns, why would liberals have waited until a pandemic to make this proposal?

You might have authentic reasons to advocate mail-in voting, but I don't believe for a second that a majority of the people proposing this are concerned about the items you listed - I haven't heard these arguments coming out of anyone on Capitol Hill, just a hard left "Everyone will still be in shutdown in November" temper tantrum

Okay, well. Your mind is made up. Like trump often says when he has no clue what he's talking about, "we'll see what happens!"

 

[ReubenSherr]

It's not the exception in my state and several others where mail in voting has worked like a charm for years where again, no measurable voter fraud has occurred!

Well, just to sum up my position lol, I do not trust New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and a whole lot of other states where organized crime is rampant

 

[lurchadams]

Well, just to sum up my position lol, I do not trust New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and a whole lot of other states where organized crime is rampant

You left out both my state and today's White House :lamo

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Well, just to sum up my position lol, I do not trust New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and a whole lot of other states where organized crime is rampant

You shouldn't worry so much about "organized crime" because the movers and shakers behind "organized crime" (like any good capitalist entrepreneurs) DO NOT like chaotic and/or changeable business conditions.

What you should worry about is "disorganized crime".

[ASIDE - At one time I lived very close to an area where a large number of Highly Active Motorcycle Connoisseurs lived. The police knew where they lived, and so did the criminals. That area was one of the (if not THE) LOWEST crime rate areas of the city. Why? Because the "disorganized crime" people knew that the "organized crime" people REALLY didn't like having their stuff stolen or their friends/families being threatened and tended to express their displeasure rather forcefully.]