Trump Launches War On Iran

[Chomsky]

Aerial surveillance photos of Fordow after the attack has a few details I find interesting.

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First is the attack pattern. It would appear they used 3 bombs per targeted sight . In the photo you can see two clusters of 3 penetration holes (red circles).

I matched those to older photos and it appears that the triangular grouping on the top targeted an area with a small access door, and the damage to that area seams to have unearthed a lot of support structure.

Second, I find it pretty interesting that none of the strikes by the US or Israel have targeted the big rectangular bunker.

Third is the yellow circle which shows what appears to be a rather large depression where a hill used to be. I would guess this is the biggest sign of a successful strike since it indicates a collapse of the underground bunker.

For those interested, here is the old photo for comparison:

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I saw an overlay in a YouTube video posted above, where it was portrayed the two areas hit were the autoclaves and one of the rectangular storage areas.

 

[Chomsky]

There's no way to confirm that, but the fact is they don't have the facilities or equipment to make one NOW.

We don't really know, though, with there being no radioactive materials detectable at the site. Were there no materials, ever? Or, were materials moved?

 

[Phys251]

Didnt a Democrat start the Vietnam war??

Actually, you can trace our involvement in the Vietnam war back to Republican President Eisenhower.

 

[Napoleon]

Possibly. But we don't know that. So, I'm not sure how we can declare "success".

Well, the surface entrances to these facilities are certainly destroyed so they won’t be making any new fuel for their reactors anytime soon.

We don't even know if there was radiative material even there, as none is being detected.

There was/is but just not what you imagined. These facilities processed raw uranium ore to serve as fuel for reactors. The ore is radioactive but in this state it’s so minor that the ore is safe to handle and nothing is going to happen to you unless you eat it. The levels of radioactivity you’re imagining are a consequence of fission in a reactor.

 

[Rexedgar]

Dueling Outcomes?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/22/politics/pete-hegseth-dan-caine-iran-strike

Cool Your Jets.

Caine, dressed in military uniform, offered sober and meticulous details and a timeline of the strikes targeting Iranian nuclear facilities. He urged patience, saying the battle damage assessment “is still pending, and it would be way too early for me to comment on what may or may not still be there.”

 

[Fearandloathing]

That would be correct.

Ah..........................

Sorry, no.

The first allocation of resources was made in 1955 by Dwight D. Eisenhower at the urgings of his friends in France.

He followed that with $ in 1957

Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"In May 1957, Diệm undertook a 10-day state visit to the US. Eisenhower pledged his continued support, and a parade was held in Diệm's honor. But Secretary of State Dulles privately conceded Diệm had to be backed because they could find no better alternative.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#cite_note-FOOTNOTEKarnow1997230-140"><span>[</span>132<span>]</span></a>

 

[Chomsky]

That is very unlikely. Fordow is located at least 300 feet below the Alborz mountains. These mountains consist of sedimentary rock surrounding a layer of igneous rock and a solid granite core. From what I’m looking at in the satellite imagery - the MOPs poked a few holes in the sedimentary rock at best.

Exactly. The MOP's are expected to penetrate 180 ft. Fordow is apparently deeper than that, under solid rock.

That there was no detectable radiation in the expelled silt, leads me to believe it's possible the bombs didn't do the job, or there indeed was no enriched materials there as Iran & the IAEA profess.

 

[ASHES]

Just wondering: What do you make of no after-blast detectible radioactive dust or particle detection?

Not much. It would have been a cave in, no time for ejecta.

 

[Phys251]

Ive never supported a forever war. Especially the several Biden put us in to. WTF are we doing in Somalia?

There is no plan at this time for Iran to be a forever war. The rest of middle east can handle the rest. If not we get about 30 years not worried about Iran launching a nuke.

That's what they said about Vietnam in the 1950s.

 

[Desert Storm]

Actually, you can trace our involvement in the Vietnam war back to Republican President Eisenhower

JFK and Truman got the ball rolling. They have blood on their hands as well

 

[JMB1911A1]

Exactly. The MOP's are expected to penetrate 180 ft. Fordow is apparently deeper than that, under solid rock.

1) That is the number bandied about by “experts”. The exact capabilities have never been released.
2) That is why they dropped three on each aim point. Drilling deeper every time.

That there was no detectable radiation in the expelled silt, leads me to believe it's possible the bombs didn't do the job, or there indeed was no enriched materials there as Iran & the IAEA profess.

It was explained above that yellow cake is not that radioactive.

 

[HumblePi]

You can see that they didn't hit the ridgeline, which is where the main chamber was situated under. So all they did was hit the side-tunnels.

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[Napoleon]

Exactly. The MOP's are expected to penetrate 180 ft. Fordow is apparently deeper than that, under solid rock.

That there was no detectable radiation in the expelled silt, leads me to believe it's possible the bombs didn't do the job, or there indeed was no enriched materials there as Iran & the IAEA profess.

I agree that MOP’s are unlikely to do the job in terms of destroying the subterranean facility but, even if they had, it wouldn’t result in detectable radiation for the reasons I articulated. And that’s simple chemistry and geology of what Iran is known to have there.

 

[Napoleon]

They’re functioning uranium processing facilities. There are probably trucks coming and going there all the time.

 

[Phys251]

JFK and Truman got the ball rolling. They have blood on their hands as well

Truman? Truman wasn't in the White House in 1955.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Iran is a model world citizen.....for Russia and Terrorists. We've always been under attack by Iran. Activly targeted by Iran. The Houthis are funded and weaponed by Iran. Ugly and uncomfortable but this is a good move taking Iran's nuke weapon program down a few pegs.

There are many good reasons to attack Iran, but Trump does not have the Constitutional authority to start an offensive war against Iran without Congressional approval. The fact that Iran funds the Houthis does not matter. There is no exception in our legal system that allows Trump to start a war with a state like Iran for the actions of a separate political or terrorist group. What Trump is doing is unconstitutional. He should be impeached and removed from office. If you believe in the Constitution you will not support starting a war against Iran without Congressional approval. This is a decision for Congress to make, not the President. That's what it says in the Constitution.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

To the newly Trumped:

It's only war if Iran fires back!

So, Iran will have actually started it.

See what you can do with MAGA logic? It's really great. Not recommended in front of a judge, though.

Yeah, what did Vance say? We aren't at war with Iran, we're at war with Iran's nuclear program. Vance thinks Trump supporters are stupid people.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Yeah, what did Vance say? We aren't at war with Iran, we're at war with Iran's nuclear program. Vance thinks Trump supporters are stupid people.

I'd say he's right

 

[Napoleon]

There are many good reasons to attack Iran, but Trump does not have the Constitutional authority to start an offensive war against Iran without Congressional approval. The fact that Iran funds the Houthis does not matter. There is no exception in our legal system that allows Trump to start a war with a state like Iran for the actions of a separate political or terrorist group. What Trump is doing is unconstitutional. He should be impeached and removed from office. If you believe in the Constitution you will not support starting a war against Iran without Congressional approval. This is a decision for Congress to make, not the President. That's what it says in the Constitution.

That isn’t what the Constitution or the War Powers Resolution says.

 

[Desert Storm]

Truman? Truman wasn't in the White House in 1955.

I meant Lyndon Johnson

 

[JANFU]

 

[W_Heisenberg]

So, those strikes were authorized by Congress, right? Or are rules different when Democrats are in power?

I ask you again to read the War Powers Act:

50 U.S. Code § 1541 - Purpose and policy

www.law.cornell.edu

(c)Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation

"The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

The War Powers Act gives the President the authority to defend the U.S. from an attack by an enemy without previous Congressional approval.

The War Powers Act does not give the President the authority to start and wage an offensive war without previous Congressional approval.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Of course, those strikes were in Iraq and Syria, not Iran. Reminiscent of Clinton blowing up tents after the USS Cole attack.

Trump has started a war against Iran in direct violation of the Constitution.

Trump should be impeached and removed from office immediately.

I ask you again to read the War Powers Act:

50 U.S. Code § 1541 - Purpose and policy

www.law.cornell.edu

(c)Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation

"The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

The War Powers Act gives the President the authority to defend the U.S. from an attack by an enemy without previous Congressional approval.

The War Powers Act does not give the President the authority to start and wage an offensive war without previous Congressional approval.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Gonna be hilarious when we find out the strikes failed on top of everything else.

 

[Chomsky]

Not to hijack the thread, but I was fervently against the Iraq War from the beginning. Afghanistan made sense to me after 9/11, but Iraq never did, and I was a staunch Democrat in that era (when the party was still sanely moderate), but that was the beginning of the cracks developing for me due to the massive support for invading Iraq.

And, while my general opinion about the invasion hasn't changed, I do have a friend who served like 6 tours of duty over there--a career military guy. He's extremely traumatized but does okay now trying to lead a low-key family life. Being a psychologist, and probably the only one he personally knows because we're from a very small town, he opened up to me in about 2009-2010 while home on leave. He told me very directly that they had found many stashes of chemical weapons but that the US government was covering it up because at that point, the entire mission had shifted away from Saddam, who was long gone, and over to the generalized War on Terror targeting the entire region. He firmly insisted that it wasn't a rumor and that he himself was already suffering health issues from direct exposure to these chemical weapons on multiple occasions.

Being a friend, I was of course supportive with my words but in my mind, due to his obvious trauma from being away at war for the past several years, and his insistence that there was a conspiratorial cover-up, I had a lot of doubts and was worried that it was the PTSD talking. I wondered how long it would be before he completely cracked into a full-blown paranoid and psychotic episode.

Then, a few years later, this exposé came out from the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...t/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

Turns out he was telling the truth. I won't discuss further within this thread just for the sake of staying on topic, but I thought some people would be interested in this.

I got about half-way through your excellent article. I'll try to finish it, later tonight.

But it was one heck of a good read, and I thank you for it!

it does support the general claim of not finding the chem weapons we were looking for. But wow! What we did find! Helluva' story, alright. And your poor buddy. A victim of the Agent Orange of his time, of sorts.