Trump Launches War On Iran

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Says who?

Says me.

Iran did not have more than 1300 pounds of 60% enriched U235 and a heavy water reactor for any peaceful purposes.

 

[ElChupacabra]

They didn't drag us into it. Israeli pressure had nothing to do with the decision to bomb.

Someone posted evidence earlier today that Trump got in on the bombing because he was jealous of all the good press that Israel's bombing campaign was getting on Fox News.

Oh no? Odd then that the US attack followed the Israeli attack despite US intel not agreeing with the notion Iran was close to developing a nuclear weapon. Where did that idea come from?

 

[Chomsky]

I was attempting humor.

My point was only that the Iranian theocratic autocracy adds a component your standard dictatorship doesn't. The "Righteous Service to Our God" thing aspect.

Ah, so sorry.

Thanks for the clarification.

Anyway, it looks like Trump may have TACO'd via a TS Tweet, so perhaps we can all move on from this saga.

 

[Fletch]

The shock is how now the former pacifists are so pro Iranian War, that they have feverishly adopted "Make Iran Great Again" alongside their "Make America Great Again" doctrine.

Something's appears not right, to so regularly switch hardened vociferous allegiances at the drop of a hat, exhibiting such schizophrenic behaviour.

We are not 'pro-Iranian war' Our participation in this conflict is likely over.

 

[Allan]

Trump just (rather fervently!) TACO'd!

Unless it's a con? But, I don't think so.

I'll see if I can find it in print . . .

And here...

 

[eohrnberger]

I've seen them bring down 115+ story towers without them. How about you?

Then consider the same operation with a nuclear weapon or dirty bomb.

It's a numbers game and Iran can certainly attack "by a thousand cuts" vs a couple of big bangs. Both, as we've seen, cost lives, can shut down economies, events, commerce, etc.

Still, far, far more impact when a nuclear weapon or dirty bomb is used, whether by Iran directly, or supplied to one of its many militant proxies.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Says me.

Iran did not have more than 1300 pounds of 60% enriched U235 and a heavy water reactor for any peaceful purposes.

What purposes were they for then since you have such insight.

 

[reinaert]

This isn't about Trump or his ego.

This is about Trump's duty to serve the interests of the American People.

Chomsky, could I humbly suggest the pollyanna ponytails aren't a good fit?

 

[Fletch]

They're already on "debt is good" because Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill" is slated to add something like 3 trillion to the debt.

Over 10 years. Which is like $300 billion per year. Tell me what difference does it make if our deficit rises from $1.6 trillion to $1.9 trillion?

 

[ElChupacabra]

And here...

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Sweet Jesus. In a time of self imposed conflict we have a low grade 4Chan troll as CIC.

 

[Napoleon]

What purposes were they for then since you have such insight.

That’s easy. Iran’s nuclear weapons program is plutonium-based. Uranium at 60% enrichment is still reactor grade. But what makes it worth the effort is that is produces more plutonium in the reactor than lesser enrichment.

 

[ElChupacabra]

That’s easy. Iran’s nuclear weapons program is plutonium-based. Uranium at 60% enrichment is still reactor grade. But what it makes it worth the effort is that is produces more plutonium in the reactor than lesser enrichment.

Cool. So what have they done with that in terms of offensive capability?

 

[Chomsky]

Thanks to the US military it'll be longer before they do.

So should we wait until they do have a nuclear weapon?

The discussion you jumped into was debating at to whether we, post attack, now need to deepen our involvement to regime change.

They were radical long before this. Weeks ago there were chanting death to America and attacking Israel.

What we did was go into The hornet's nest and pluck all their stingers.

I'm not sure how radicalized the Iranian populace as a whole is?

But I think it's fair to say we haven't improved our image amongst them.

The big picture here CLAX191, is I saw no need to go in ourselves - after Israel's extremely effective operation.

 

[Fletch]

Aren’t you jumping the gun just a little bit with your trolling?

How is it trolling to point out that oil prices didnt spike like the unhinged left predicted but, in fact, fell by nearly 9%.
And just so you know, pointing out liberal ignorance, dishonesty and arrogance is not trolling.

 

[sanman]

There is no deep state. That is a Faux lie.

Your beloved Israel lobby and your beloved Cold War Deep State are joined at the hip

 

[eohrnberger]

There's no risk. Israel set the Iranian Nuclear Program back, according to reports, at least 3-4 years. With Trump's claim of "total devastation" of Fordow, add more years to that.

No issue here. In this very thread post #2,923

At least not for as long as they take to rebuild their nuclear weapons and their ICBM programs.
10 years?

The only wish would be that it'd be even longer, if at all.

You're attempting to justify a losing nation building expedition, based upon a hazard that does not exist.

Not al all. If the Iranian people raise up against their regime, that's fine, I'd imagine that the US and EU nations would support them.
That's quite different from engaging in nation building, which you are claiming that I'm supporting.

If nation building were so easy, we wouldn't have failed at it so consistently. And never forget the law of unintended consequences.

 

[Chomsky]

Well, I don't know about all that

but they're at least consistent with what they expected from the current president based on his campaign rhetoric.

The bolded is a great response!

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

The amazing part is how many MAGA seem to believe the Iranian People are welcoming our actions, and will rise-up in sympathetic & brethren democracy happy to be our brothers!

Any rational person would realize that these bombings have further entrenched hatred for America and Israel. The idea that this would lead to some pro-American Iran is insane.

 

[reinaert]

Breaking news

Iran's Parliament just approved a plan to suspend cooperation with the IAEA. This means that Iran is taking a step to withdraw from the Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Joe Cirincione Vice-Chair of the Center for International Policy Board of Directors, was just on MSNBC and stated that the withdrawal of the NPT would be something Iran would do if they intend to move forward with developing a nuclear bomb. His advice for the United States government: "Find an off-ramp, quickly".

The IAEA Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi told the U.N. Security Counsel over the weekend, "it looks like Iran has, in fact, moved some of their highly rich uranium gas out of the facilities they were in. The satellite imagery showed rows and rows of trucks moving into some of these facilities before the airstrikes, apparently moving some of this gas. Nobody knows where it is.

According to Joe Cirincione, "That gas could be fed into centrifuges at other sites, perhaps unknown sites, and within five days, they could convert that material into one bomb, and within two weeks they might be able to build ten bombs. They may have already done it. Iran might have constructed the one weapon that they know could stop the U.S. and Israel from attacking it again."

Good job, Taco Caesar.

 

[Absentglare]

So you made my point for me by listing several Democrats that got us into wars. I would say FDR got us into world war II as well.

No I didn’t, @OpportunityCost did. And your point is a failure for the reasons I cited, this is what you replied to:

You think she would have to take us to war on a lie? yeah, no, I don’t agree. This is why I voted for the Democrats.

 

[Napoleon]

Cool. So what have they done with that in terms of offensive capability?

We don’t know. What we do know is that they have spent the last 30 years designing, manufacturing, and optimizing a ballistic missile arsenal capable of delivering a nuclear warhead and mooting Israel’s missile defense. And collaborating with North Korea in both that effort and in their nuclear weapons program.

 

[Chomsky]

Here...

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There's a lot more to it, than that!

 

[reinaert]

Perhaps, but since the Ayatollahs were the main part of the coup, Iran's narrative of "the mean old United States swooping in and stealing their precious democracy" is nonsense.

On the seventh attempt, still wrong, still knowingly, obviously wrong.

 

[anatta]

So Trump and MAGAs are basically GWB and the neocons.

Well done.

not at all. a limited strike or engagement is not neocon regime change at the barrel of a gun. We are targeting Iran's nuclear program.
If Iran's collapses -fine -and sure we can talk it up. what we can't do is warlike policies targeted to effect regime change.
The reason we can't is they dont work. Countries populations do not like other nations determining their governments.
It doesn't work unless regime change is organic uprising by said countries population

 

[CLAX1911]

The discussion you jumped into

Was absolutely public and I have every right to jump into it.

was debating at to whether we, post attack, now need to deepen our involvement to regime change.

No nation building has proven a failure every single time we've tried it.

I'm not sure how radicalized the Iranian populace as a whole is.

The populace is a whole doesn't matter it's the leadership.

But I think it's fair to say we haven't improved our image amongst them.

Well I'm not sure that matters much they let these people be in charge

The big picture here CLAX191, is I saw no need to go in ourselves - after Israel's extremely effective operation.

That may be debatable I think Iran is stoking tensions with us threatening our president which is an act of war. And so far we just destroyed their weapons factories.