Trump Launches War On Iran

[Chomsky]

In the middle of all this Trump's only response is an unhinged rant about US news media.

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Trump just got hit hard by Iran. He's going after a softer target.

 

[Hamish Howl]

did you read here I said it (regime change) cant be a policy? apparently not.. sure you can talk it up, but not policy driven

So Trump and MAGAs are basically GWB and the neocons.

Well done.

 

[trixare4kids]

Saw this reposted to X. This was authored about five hours ago on TS, before Iran launched retaliatory missiles at US bases in Iraq and Qatar.

 

[Hamish Howl]

. No it’s not. It’s the apostle Paul writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirt. You should really stop quoting scripture. Just go away. Give it a break. You’re embarrassing yourself.

More like an opportunist picking the right moment to jump on the bandwagon.

 

[eohrnberger]

Well see. I think he'll TACO (if he's smart).

Trump tried to piggy-back on Israel's success, claiming it as his own.

When did Trump ever do this?
I'm looking for a direct quote from the words the man has publicly stated.

The only things I've heard him say about 'Israel's success' was positive and giving them the credit.

Now, it backfired putting him in a box.

 

[trixare4kids]

That wasn't what the other poster was proposing.

Post number? Or what was the other poster proposing?

 

[Chomsky]

Come on, you know TACO's going to retaliate for every move Iran makes against US installations/populations.

He had to kiss the Nobel Peace Prize goodbye, so he's going forward into war full sail.

Well see. His response Tweet wasn't directed at Iran, but rather he's now attacking the media.

When Khamenei slapped him last time (term 1), he didn't respond. That's the right action here, I believe.

Did you see where Pakistan wanted to withdraw their NPP nomination for TACO today?

No. Hilarious!

 

[ModernDiogenes]

The strategic objectives have been met, from where I'm sitting.

It now comes to whether Trump wants to embark on Neoconic nation building, throwing his Presidency away - as other foolish Presidents have done.

I don't see Trump as giving a shit about nation building.

I do see Trump caring about sagging poll numbers and thinking, "Well it worked for 'W'", and going for the 'war time' Presidency thing.

 

[Absentglare]

There is one, and only one, use for such highly enriched uranium.


They, the Nuclear nations, missed keeping the cat in the bag with North Korea.
Seems like you are supporting the idea that they do the same with Iran, i.e. not acting until its far too late.

Who has North Korea nuked?

Trump treats Kim Jong Un as a close friend. You think he has America’s interests at heart?

 

[sanman]

So tripling down on the utter bullshit. The whole Q Anon has zero (Zero point Zero) percent left involvement. I get why you'd pretend MAGA nation didn't get full on duped about pizza basement Peado rings. But this is making you look foolish.

Nope, the Left-controlled MSM were peddling the QAnon narrative at the tops of their lungs -- all of them suddenly starting it at the same time, like their other talking points distributed to them

 

[eohrnberger]

Rereading my post, I have no idea what you're alluding to in the bolded.

. . .
The right thing to do of course is TACO, and re-open negotiations.
. . .

Specific to Trump's retrenchment of his position, i.e. 're-open negotiations', the reality is:

Trump has been offering / open to discussions with Iran about their nuclear and ICBM programs all along, even before the Israeli attacks, and still is.
They've always been in the form of 'We can either talk about it, or we'll be forced to take action'.

There's no 'retrenchment' such as you are insisting exists.

'talk about it', agree to a deal.

Just seems that you are being really fast and lose with your claiming Trump this, and Trump that, when it doesn't look like your claims are even close to reality.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

No, the Deep State trying to make policy and run the country behind the scenes is real.
What's fake is your narrative that it's some paranoid delusion.

There is no deep state. That is a Faux lie.

You're only contradicting yourself when you then argue in defense of Deep State.

There is no deep state. That is a Faux lie.

We can't exclusively judge Trump in isolation, without comparing with Biden's track record.
What's Sauce for the Goose is Sauce for the Gander

We are not discussing Biden. That is an attempt to hijack the thread.

No, that's just the Uniparty section who exist on both sides of the aisle. You clearly belong to that category, since you're loyal to Israel above all else.

Not true.

Only because your Israeli-ness makes you practice double standards.

I am not an Israeli.

If civilians voted for Hamas, then you feel they deserve to die.

Not true.

If civilians voted for Netanyahu, then you feel they're all peachy.

Also, not true.

Your side is allowed to do anything, and it shouldn't be called terrorism according to you.

You need to think about what you post.

But the other side should all be condemned as terrorists and bombed to death en masse.

Nobody said that.

Trump hasn't ended the fight, he's only expanded it, and pulled in the US more directly.

This is probably true.

 

[Chomsky]

When did Trump ever do this?
I'm looking for a direct quote from the words the man has publicly stated.

The only things I've heard him say about 'Israel's success' was positive and giving them the credit.

One example:

“We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran,” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social. “Iran had good sky trackers and other defensive equipment, and plenty of it, but it doesn’t compare to American made, conceived, and manufactured ‘stuff.’ Nobody does it better than the good ol’ USA.”

Source:

Trump Warns “We” Control Iran’s Airspace in Ominous Post

Donald Trump casually conflated the U.S. and Israel in the terrifying threat.

newrepublic.com

 

[trixare4kids]

Specific to Trump's retrenchment of his position, i.e. 're-open negotiations', the reality is:

'talk about it', agree to a deal.

Just seems that you are being really fast and lose with your claiming Trump this, and Trump that, when it doesn't look like your claims are even close to reality.

So much propaganda, unverified nonsense. I really expected better from him.

 

[Anthony60]

Really now

Trump says US intelligence ‘wrong’ about Iran not building nuclear bomb

US president doubles down on claim Iran is building nuclear weapon, again contradicting US intelligence community.

www.aljazeera.com

LOL, Aljazeera! What, you couldn't find an Iranian source, so you went to the next best thing? You really hammered home my point!

 

[Taylor]

, "Well it worked for 'W'", and going for the 'war time' Presidency thing.

How did it work for "W"?

 

[Chomsky]

Specific to Trump's retrenchment of his position, i.e. 're-open negotiations', the reality is:

'talk about it', agree to a deal.

Just seems that you are being really fast and lose with your claiming Trump this, and Trump that, when it doesn't look like your claims are even close to reality.

Trump's all over the place, and I'm calling what I see.

In fact, he's called for regime change, and now he seemed to have changed his mind on that.

So please don't preach to me asserting Trump's "consistency". He's not.

Reference:

Trump officials offer Iran new chance at diplomacy, say US not seeking regime change

Cabinet figures call strikes on nuclear sites 'intentionally limited,' and insist they don't want war, but warn aggression will be met in kind should Tehran retaliate

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Pound4abrown]

Nope, the Left-controlled MSM were peddling the QAnon narrative at the tops of their lungs -- all of them suddenly starting it at the same time, like their other talking points distributed to them

I mean I admire your ability to stand chin deep in bullshit. The the MSN wasn't standing in Trump rally crowds with signs and shirts. And chants of "where we go one, we go all".
They also weren't filling 4chan with their conspiracy bullshit.
Nor going to basementless Pizza parlors looking for Hilary eating baby carcass.
So, please keep blaming the epic levels of Baaah Baaah on those reporting this crazed lunacy and not the actual ****ing lunatics, it's a winning formula.

 

[sanman]

There is no deep state. That is a Faux lie.

There is no deep state. That is a Faux lie.

Deep State is real, and poses a real threat to the sovereignty of the electorate.
You call it a lie, because you want to cover for them. You like Deep State, and what they do for your Israel.
Israel Lobby and Cold War Deep State are joined at the hip.
They both likely colluded together to rid themselves of JFK, who was a threat and nuisance to them both.

We are not discussing Biden. That is an attempt to hijack the thread.

Nope, you said Trump was X, and I said your Biden was too. That's not hijacking, that's showing you the mirror.

Not true.

I am not an Israeli.

You are an Israel supporter living on US soil. You prioritize the interests of Israel over the interests of the United States.

Not true.

Also, not true.

You need to think about what you post.

No, you need to think about what you post. You're clearly arguing for the Israeli side in the Israeli-Palestinian dispute.
That's why you said their women and children deserved to die for elected Hamas. Did their kids vote too, and therefore also deserve to die, in your eyes?

Nobody said that.

You sure like to imply things while refusing to clarify your position.

This is probably true.

And Biden would have done the same thing, because the Israel lobby is on both sides of the aisle, creating a Uniparty base.

 

[eohrnberger]

Who has North Korea nuked?

If you wait until that, it's already far too late.

As I posted, the nuclear nations let the cat out of the bag with NK, and aren't likely to do it again, and especially not with theocratic driven totalitarian and authoritarian state, such as Iran is.

You seem to be stuck, and haven't grasped this point:

. . .
Do you really not see the risk of Islamic terrorists getting ahold of weapons grade nuclear material?

Do you really not see this?

Trump treats Kim Jong Un as a close friend. You think he has America’s interests at heart?

For a time, wanting to get a nuclear control deal, but not since. Your characterization is very much out of date to the point of being irrelevant.

 

[sanman]

I mean I admire your ability to stand chin deep in bullshit. The the MSN wasn't standing in Trump rally crowds with signs and shirts. And chants of "where we go one, we go all".

What's wrong with those chants? You're the one putting a negative spin on it, so that's on you.

They also weren't filling 4chan with their conspiracy bullshit.

You just lump anything together and call it one big bullshit, to tar anyone at your convenience.

Nor going to basementless Pizza parlors looking for Hilary eating baby carcass.
So, please keep blaming the epic levels of Baaah Baaah on those reporting this crazed lunacy and not the actual ****ing lunatics, it's a winning formula.

That stuff was hyped by your MSM and their sensationalist reporting. All for the purpose of caricaturing those who won't toe your line.

 

[Chomsky]

It is well known that the theocratic totalitarian repressive regime which is in control of Iran is not loved by its people.
It is well known that the theocratic totalitarian repressive regime is at is weakest at this moment, having had so many of its leaders removed.

While regime change is not part of the US Iranian policy, nor any of the other nations - at least to my knowledge,

I rather doubt that it wouldn't be welcomed.

Just like the Iraqi & Afghans?

As we cut Medicaid, Food Stamps, and raise the Debt Ceiling to increase our unmanageable debt even more, this is the nation building we want to devote our physical, military, and financial efforts towards?

I think not, eohrnberger. Not with my tax monies, please.

 

[Tangmo]

You should try to get a hold of your emotions...these times are stressful and you obviously are allowing yourself to fall prey to things you cannot control. (Including my posts )

If you could please restrict your posts to the actual subject and then directly address what's written with realistic debate, and not make it about me, that would be great. If you cant, dont expect your drama and fantasies to be fed...however you may exercise that on your own all you like.

Thx because I enjoy condescending posts on a Monday, which coincidentally is the day I was born. Indeed, only my late mother could talk to me like you presume to try to do.

It's a pattern that your reply posts go off on lecturing and scolding rather than address the issue, which is that your fear and trembling causes you to surrender to the ayatollahs rather than confront 'em and take 'em down. Your posts insist on accommodating the ayatollahs and to behave only in ways that please 'em and rewards 'em. Fear and trembling before 'em is all over your posts.

 

[Chomsky]

They also issued a warning in advance, obviously to avoid US service personnel casualties.

Qatar was issued a warning.

So you're claiming Qatar gave the U.S. Services a heads up, I assume?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Overnight, they've gone from Pacifists to Neocons.

From cutting Medicaid, Food Stamps, & SS, to spending big bucks on Nation Building.

From Fiscal Conservatives & Deficit Hawks, to wildly increasing Debt & the Debt Ceiling.

As I said, "overnight".

Well, not MTG and Massie.