Are you stalking me? Lol.
If I remember correctly, our intelligence community believed Iraq had WMDs...? I think everyone would agree that was a mistake of monumental proportions. I must admit, though, that I personally think they were correct.
Yanukovych is an extremely close Putin crony, and attempted to assimilate the Ukraine back into Russia. He essentially was Putin's right-hand-man in the Ukraine. So much so, that when he was ousted from office and arrest warrants were issued, Putin pulled him back into Russia and gave him asylum.More than the Hillary/Clinton Foundation/Saudi Arabia et al link? The other guy was an paid for adviser doing paid for adviser work. There is no link there and it didn't even have anything to do with Putin, but with Yanukovych, so I'm not sure where you pulled Putin from. That's like saying there is a Putin link to Armani because the President in Estonia bought one of their suits.
Conversely, a foundation getting millions of dollar donated to it, that hasn't even filed the proper paperwork to be a legitimate foundation, and who's records of money received doesn't match what has been donated, is a much bigger concern than someone who was hired to do a job.
No, this is not specifically about Trump at all, but it is being highlighted this cycle due to the screwed-up nature of both these candidates - with Trump being one, loose-lipped, lacking in control, and highly erratic.You may agree. But this isn't a Trump invention. It's been done every presidential cycle for many years. If people don't like it, then blame the Administration. The various agencies who would be involved in such briefings undoubtedly have NO authority on their own to do so.
I'm not familiar with Trump's comments, but only what I read in the article. My comments were specifically concerning why would we need to brief the candidates at all?But isn't that what Trump was implying by his comments? That he has enough understanding and firsthand experience with security and foreign affairs to have an opinion?
Would it also be appropriate for an incoming President to have some general familiarity with the current positions of the government?
More than the Hillary/Clinton Foundation/Saudi Arabia et al link? The other guy was an paid for adviser doing paid for adviser work. There is no link there and it didn't even have anything to do with Putin, but with Yanukovych, so I'm not sure where you pulled Putin from. That's like saying there is a Putin link to Armani because the President in Estonia bought one of their suits.
Conversely, a foundation getting millions of dollar donated to it, that hasn't even filed the proper paperwork to be a legitimate foundation, and who's records of money received doesn't match what has been donated, is a much bigger concern than someone who was hired to do a job.
I'm not even sure why a private-citizen candidate needs to get these briefings!
Surely there's enough time to bring them up-to-speed between the time they become President-elect and the inauguration. No?
Your response was a hell of a lot more succinct than mine - I like it! :thumbs:Where is Yanukovych now? He's in Russia. He was Putin's pawn in the Ukraine and everybody but you knows it.
I'm not even sure why a private-citizen candidate needs to get these briefings!
Surely there's enough time to bring them up-to-speed between the time they become President-elect and the inauguration. No?
No, this is not specifically about Trump at all, but it is being highlighted this cycle due to the screwed-up nature of both these candidates - with Trump being one, loose-lipped, lacking in control, and highly erratic.
My point here, is: "Why is this done at all"?
It seems an unnecessary risk.
Are you stalking me? Lol. If I remember correctly, our intelligence community believed Iraq had WMDs...? I think everyone would agree that was a mistake of monumental proportions. I must admit, though, that I personally think they were correct.
I'm not even sure why a private-citizen candidate needs to get these briefings!
Surely there's enough time to bring them up-to-speed between the time they become President-elect and the inauguration. No?
Now that's interesting.It was initiated because Truman didn't like the fact that he joined the presidency only find find out a bunch of nasty war-time surprises once he got into office.
Yanukovych is an extremely close Putin crony, and attempted to assimilate the Ukraine back into Russia. He essentially was Putin's right-hand-man in the Ukraine. So much so, that when he was ousted from office and arrest warrants were issued, Putin pulled him back into Russia and gave him asylum
And Manaforte was Yanukovych's political operator for many years. Manafort orchestrated Yanukovych's rise to power as the State Department was conducting operations to keep Yanukovych out of power due to his Putin connection. IOW, Trump's guy was working directly against the U.S. government in the Putin-U.S. fight over Ukarine's rule. Of course, when Yanukovych later fell & the side of democracy reigned in 2014, Putin just rushed in with military force shunning any appearances of the political maneuvers portrayed by Yanukovych & Manafort.
So to say there is no Manafort/Yanukovych/Putin connection, strikes me as naive or uninformed.
Where is Yanukovych now? He's in Russia. He was Putin's pawn in the Ukraine and everybody but you knows it.
Yeah ... one of the few nations in Europe that ignores Interpol warrantsYeah...he went somewhere where he wouldn't be abused by western powers. Shocking.
Simpleχity;1066224474 said:Yeah ... one of the few nations in Europe that ignores Interpol warrants
Crack those geography books.Russia isn't in Europe.
No, this is not specifically about Trump at all, but it is being highlighted this cycle due to the screwed-up nature of both these candidates - with Trump being one, loose-lipped, lacking in control, and highly erratic.
My point here, is: "Why is this done at all"?
It seems an unnecessary risk.
I'm not familiar with Trump's comments, but only what I read in the article. My comments were specifically concerning why would we need to brief the candidates at all?
But if there's something you believe I need to know or would be interested in, I'm happy to look over a link.
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As to your second question, I suppose an argument can be made for dispensing some general background information of a non-sensitive manner. I'm just not sure it's needed, and I definitely would see no need to dispense information if it were to be sensitive in nature.
Now that's interesting.
But from early November to late January, would seem time enough to me.
Unless you're claiming this is done to let the candidate back-out of running?
If you don't think The Ukraine is being assimilated back into Russia, the invading Russian soldiers and Military Ops now present in the country would likely beg to differ.He didn't attempt to assimilate Ukraine back into Russia. What supposedly sparked off the riots was his refusal to sign a binding trade agreement with the EU that would shun Russia. Sorry, but a trade deal is not something you throw a revolution over, especially one where there was no attempt to do it legally. Did they do elections? No. Did they take him to court or hold some kind of impeachment proceeding? No. The overthrow was illegal and is illegitimate.
What???Manaforte was a private contractor doing his job. I fail to see the problem there. The only problem I see in this statement was the U.S. interfering in the political process of another country. Weren't a bunch of people just complaining about Russia allegedly doing that with the DNC emails? No, democracy didn't reign in 2014. It died. Yunukovich was a democratically elected President who was then thrown out without even bothering to wait for the next elections. It was done with the backing of Neo-nazis who then went on to commit war crimes in eastern Ukraine. I'm very informed, and I don't operate off of double standards applied to one group but not to us. If you're getting your information from cable news then I'm afraid you're not getting a very full picture of the reality of the matter.
In terms of United States Presidential briefings, you're going to equate U.S. support of an anti-Russia movement - with the Russian's hacking our political process? :doh
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