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Trump is coming for your Social Security



Approx. 40% of Social Security direct deposit fraud is associated with fraudsters calling SSA on the phone and changing the direct deposit bank account from the correct one to a fraudulent one.

Starting on March 29, in order to change the direct deposit bank account, one can:
-Change it online using 2FA (Call Center Technicians available to assist beneficiaries with website)
-Change it in person at a SSA Service Center

This is identical to the fraud protections at almost all major banks, where deposit changes are made either online or in person.

All other SSA phone services remain unchanged.
 
Stop fibbing. This administration is not going to get rid of social security.

Trump was interviewed by Meet the Press on March 9, 2025 and he said,
"I’m not going to touch Social Security. We’re going to get fraud out of there, everybody wants us to get the fraud out!" Now to me and other people who can read, this means Trump emphasized maintaining Social Security benefits while focusing on eliminating fraudulent activity within the program.

Why is this a bad thing with you lot?
You believe what he says? You can’t be serious.
 
A Close Elon Musk Friend Joins His Effort on Social Security https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/14/....96iO.pslxlus1xlmM&smid=nytcore-android-share

"The Social Security trust funds grew over decades as Americans paid more taxes into the program than they took out in benefits. Tax revenue submitted to the trust funds did not sit there; the federal government instead used the cash to pay its regular expenses over time."

Why are so many mega rich so hot to get rid of ss ?

What about us that over paid our entire lives, now that we need it?

What about the GOP promise to not cut our SS?

Doesn't take much exposure to the budget to realize that the only way to find significant, sustainable savings (certainly anything even remotely in the 12-figure ranges he used to throw around) is to cut off the old folks. Everything else is theater.
 
A Close Elon Musk Friend Joins His Effort on Social Security https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/14/....96iO.pslxlus1xlmM&smid=nytcore-android-share

"The Social Security trust funds grew over decades as Americans paid more taxes into the program than they took out in benefits. Tax revenue submitted to the trust funds did not sit there; the federal government instead used the cash to pay its regular expenses over time."
Not to mention justifying tax cuts, as they did in the Bush and Reagan administrations.


Why are so many mega rich so hot to get rid of ss ?

What about us that over paid our entire lives, now that we need it?

What about the GOP promise to not cut our SS?
In the words of Blutto from Animal House: ".....let's face it, you f'd up, you trusted us"
 
Stop fibbing. This administration is not going to get rid of social security.

Trump was interviewed by Meet the Press on March 9, 2025 and he said,
"I’m not going to touch Social Security. We’re going to get fraud out of there, everybody wants us to get the fraud out!" Now to me and other people who can read, this means Trump emphasized maintaining Social Security benefits while focusing on eliminating fraudulent activity within the program.

Why is this a bad thing with you lot?
There is no fraud in SS.

This entire fraud here, fraud there, fraud everywhere thing is designed for the simple people to rally around.

None in any department has been found. None. It is opium for the people as they are robbed blind.
 
There is no fraud in SS.

This entire fraud here, fraud there, fraud everywhere thing is designed for the simple people to rally around.

None in any department has been found. None. It is opium for the people as they are robbed blind.

I just love the cult --- they believe their leader even though almost everything he says is a bold faced lie. The man has been criminally convicted of fraud and found legally culpable for fraud on numerous occasions. He is an adjudicated liar, yet he is to be believed. That my dear is the penultimate cult like behavior when you chose such a man over overwhelming countervailing information.

Trump also said he never heard of Project 2025, but put its key architect, Russell Vought, in as director of the OMB, which is the exact position to full implement it. BTW, that group wrote most of EO's that Trump has signed.

Meanwhile, he also said he would not touch Medicaid, but he has.

There is no fraud of significance at the SSA. That is a lie as well. Of course, as a cult member you are expected to swallow hook, line and sinker, without demanding to see any proof. It seems you have done that rather well.

Sorry, but Trump saying so and so means very little, and you should know better......
 
Doesn't take much exposure to the budget to realize that the only way to find significant, sustainable savings (certainly anything even remotely in the 12-figure ranges he used to throw around) is to cut off the old folks. Everything else is theater.
True... But I wish it were just theater!
My Nephew, his wife (both PHD Stanford grads), and several others that I know are losing their research grants. Woods Hole Oceanographic and other research institutes may have to close their doors.

The administration is cutting funding to entities which actually increase the prosperity of the U.S. Most important discoveries begin w Gov't funded research. Shame on Trump
 
True... But I wish it were just theater!
My Nephew, his wife (both PHD Stanford grads), and several others that I know are losing their research grants. Woods Hole Oceanographic and other research institutes may have to close their doors.

The administration is cutting funding to entities which actually increase the prosperity of the U.S. Most important discoveries begin w Gov't funded research. Shame on Trump

Theater in the sense that the fiscal impact is nonexistent. They're doing real damage for zero savings. For instance, they're on track to eliminate the U.S.'s competitive edge in science and technology, yet the impact on federal outlays will be nil.
 
The Social Security trust funds....

We're all told that Social Security will run out of money some time in the mid 2030's.

This ranks right at the top f the biggest lies told by our politicians to their constituents.

The government imposed a tax to "pay for" Social Security.

If Social Security requires a tax to be paid for, where is the tax that funds the military? What about Medicare? What about an infrastructure tax? What about a disaster relief tax?

Taxes are needed for exactly 4 reasons.
1. “To help stabilize the purchasing power of the dollar”.

2. “To express public policy in the distribution of wealth and of income, as in the case of the progressive income and estate taxes”.

3. “subsidizing or in penalizing various industries and economic groups”

4. “To isolate and assess directly the costs of certain national benefits."

Beardsley Ruml, the NY Fed Chair, wrote this back in 1946 and it was every bit as true then as it is today.

Social Security taxes fall under #4, isolating the cost of certain benefits. That's it, social security taxes are meant to make the costs obvious. The government can pay benefits just as it pays benefits for anything else. We could just as easily had a "military tax" so we could have all seen our contribution to the miliary each week in our paychecks. But no one would seriously believe that if the military tax wasn't collecting enough to offset the costs of the miliary that the military would go bankrupt.

The government collects taxes, the money is fungible. The fact that people will soon be colleting more benefits than workers pay into the system is a sign of the population imbalance, but what everyone needs to remember is that if we continue to pay Social Security, those benefits will be used to assist people in acquiring end of life care. How much will it cost society when 40% of Americans rely solely on social security for retirement take social security away in part or in whole, what will the cost be to society?

The reality is, there's not "trust fund" for social security in the way that we think about it. The government collects our taxes and they all get lumped together and used. Social Security taxes are added up on a spreadsheet and the government "borrows" from these amounts by subtracting from that spreadsheet. It's all a game of semantics meant to create the justification for lowering benefits blaming the lack of money rather than blaming the politicians who vote for it.

Paying people their social security is a choice the same as any other line item in the budget.
Why are so many mega rich so hot to get rid of ss ?
The wealthy want to lower spending so they can push for more tax cuts making them wealthier while the burden of caring for the Elderly will fall to the states or to individuals.

And it's worth noting that even if you believe that lower spending will somehow result in lower taxes (it won't), it will be offset by higher and higher state taxes.

The idea is for the working and middle class to have too little money to own anything. People will work their whole lives, renting everything and in the end owning almost nothing.
What about the GOP promise to not cut our SS?
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A Close Elon Musk Friend Joins His Effort on Social Security https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/14/....96iO.pslxlus1xlmM&smid=nytcore-android-share

"The Social Security trust funds grew over decades as Americans paid more taxes into the program than they took out in benefits. Tax revenue submitted to the trust funds did not sit there; the federal government instead used the cash to pay its regular expenses over time."

Why are so many mega rich so hot to get rid of ss ?

What about us that over paid our entire lives, now that we need it?

What about the GOP promise to not cut our SS?
End stage capitalism.

Dystopia is coming.

Don’t see any way we avoid it at this point.
 
Stop fibbing. This administration is not going to get rid of social security.

Trump was interviewed by Meet the Press on March 9, 2025 and he said,
"I’m not going to touch Social Security. We’re going to get fraud out of there, everybody wants us to get the fraud out!" Now to me and other people who can read, this means Trump emphasized maintaining Social Security benefits while focusing on eliminating fraudulent activity within the program.

Why is this a bad thing with you lot?
Because trump is an inveterate liar.

So a wise person must assume that everything he says is a lie.
 
We're all told that Social Security will run out of money some time in the mid 2030's.

This ranks right at the top f the biggest lies told by our politicians to their constituents.

The government imposed a tax to "pay for" Social Security.

If Social Security requires a tax to be paid for, where is the tax that funds the military? What about Medicare? What about an infrastructure tax? What about a disaster relief tax?

Taxes are needed for exactly 4 reasons.
1. “To help stabilize the purchasing power of the dollar”.

2. “To express public policy in the distribution of wealth and of income, as in the case of the progressive income and estate taxes”.

3. “subsidizing or in penalizing various industries and economic groups”

4. “To isolate and assess directly the costs of certain national benefits."

Beardsley Ruml, the NY Fed Chair, wrote this back in 1946 and it was every bit as true then as it is today.

Social Security taxes fall under #4, isolating the cost of certain benefits. That's it, social security taxes are meant to make the costs obvious. The government can pay benefits just as it pays benefits for anything else. We could just as easily had a "military tax" so we could have all seen our contribution to the miliary each week in our paychecks. But no one would seriously believe that if the military tax wasn't collecting enough to offset the costs of the miliary that the military would go bankrupt.

The government collects taxes, the money is fungible. The fact that people will soon be colleting more benefits than workers pay into the system is a sign of the population imbalance, but what everyone needs to remember is that if we continue to pay Social Security, those benefits will be used to assist people in acquiring end of life care. How much will it cost society when 40% of Americans rely solely on social security for retirement take social security away in part or in whole, what will the cost be to society?

The reality is, there's not "trust fund" for social security in the way that we think about it. The government collects our taxes and they all get lumped together and used. Social Security taxes are added up on a spreadsheet and the government "borrows" from these amounts by subtracting from that spreadsheet. It's all a game of semantics meant to create the justification for lowering benefits blaming the lack of money rather than blaming the politicians who vote for it.

Paying people their social security is a choice the same as any other line item in the budget.

The wealthy want to lower spending so they can push for more tax cuts making them wealthier while the burden of caring for the Elderly will fall to the states or to individuals.

And it's worth noting that even if you believe that lower spending will somehow result in lower taxes (it won't), it will be offset by higher and higher state taxes.

The idea is for the working and middle class to have too little money to own anything. People will work their whole lives, renting everything and in the end owning almost nothing.

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My questions were rhetorical, duh
 
We're all told that Social Security will run out of money some time in the mid 2030's.

This ranks right at the top f the biggest lies told by our politicians to their constituents.

The government imposed a tax to "pay for" Social Security.

If Social Security requires a tax to be paid for, where is the tax that funds the military? What about Medicare? What about an infrastructure tax? What about a disaster relief tax?

Taxes are needed for exactly 4 reasons.
1. “To help stabilize the purchasing power of the dollar”.

2. “To express public policy in the distribution of wealth and of income, as in the case of the progressive income and estate taxes”.

3. “subsidizing or in penalizing various industries and economic groups”

4. “To isolate and assess directly the costs of certain national benefits."

Beardsley Ruml, the NY Fed Chair, wrote this back in 1946 and it was every bit as true then as it is today.

Social Security taxes fall under #4, isolating the cost of certain benefits. That's it, social security taxes are meant to make the costs obvious. The government can pay benefits just as it pays benefits for anything else. We could just as easily had a "military tax" so we could have all seen our contribution to the miliary each week in our paychecks. But no one would seriously believe that if the military tax wasn't collecting enough to offset the costs of the miliary that the military would go bankrupt.

The government collects taxes, the money is fungible. The fact that people will soon be colleting more benefits than workers pay into the system is a sign of the population imbalance, but what everyone needs to remember is that if we continue to pay Social Security, those benefits will be used to assist people in acquiring end of life care. How much will it cost society when 40% of Americans rely solely on social security for retirement take social security away in part or in whole, what will the cost be to society?

The reality is, there's not "trust fund" for social security in the way that we think about it. The government collects our taxes and they all get lumped together and used. Social Security taxes are added up on a spreadsheet and the government "borrows" from these amounts by subtracting from that spreadsheet. It's all a game of semantics meant to create the justification for lowering benefits blaming the lack of money rather than blaming the politicians who vote for it.

Paying people their social security is a choice the same as any other line item in the budget.

The wealthy want to lower spending so they can push for more tax cuts making them wealthier while the burden of caring for the Elderly will fall to the states or to individuals.

And it's worth noting that even if you believe that lower spending will somehow result in lower taxes (it won't), it will be offset by higher and higher state taxes.

The idea is for the working and middle class to have too little money to own anything. People will work their whole lives, renting everything and in the end owning almost nothing.

View attachment 67561043
Capitalism is great.

For owners of capital.

For most folks their homes represent most or all of the “capital”. Which was often handed down to the next generation.

The billionaire class is now actively, openly working to end private ownership for most by the simple expedient of using the vast piles of money they have accumulated to go market to market buying all the entry level homes, that people worked for years or decades saving up a down payment for, for cash, above asking, no inspections. With the stated intent of keeping us renting for our entire lives.

Capitalists love capitalism. Those who don’t own capital are just profit centers for capitalists.
 
Why are so many mega rich so hot to get rid of ss ?
Conservatives have opposed Social Security since day 1 because:

1) It's a welfare program.

2) It significantly reduces poverty in the US. Before it was enacted, 50% of seniors lived in poverty.

3) It gives wage slaves a little bit of comfort and security in their retirement, instead of forcing them to work until they drop.

4) It shows that government can, in fact, provide for the common good and perform certain tasks well.
 
You believe what he says? You can’t be serious.
He orders them to, they must be loyal to him, or he'll go after them. Not him personally, he's too much of a weak coward, he'll use his pardoned homegrown criminal terrorists to do his dirty work.
 


Approx. 40% of Social Security direct deposit fraud is associated with fraudsters calling SSA on the phone and changing the direct deposit bank account from the correct one to a fraudulent one.

Starting on March 29, in order to change the direct deposit bank account, one can:
-Change it online using 2FA (Call Center Technicians available to assist beneficiaries with website)
-Change it in person at a SSA Service Center

This is identical to the fraud protections at almost all major banks, where deposit changes are made either online or in person.

All other SSA phone services remain unchanged.


once again, when is DOGE going to turn over the evidence to the DOJ for prosecution of those committing the fraud.? They must have the evidence if they know its about 40%/

We know there is fraud. Not sure it is 40% of all direct deposit.
 
A Close Elon Musk Friend Joins His Effort on Social Security https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/14/....96iO.pslxlus1xlmM&smid=nytcore-android-share

"The Social Security trust funds grew over decades as Americans paid more taxes into the program than they took out in benefits. Tax revenue submitted to the trust funds did not sit there; the federal government instead used the cash to pay its regular expenses over time."

Why are so many mega rich so hot to get rid of ss ?

What about us that over paid our entire lives, now that we need it?

What about the GOP promise to not cut our SS?
Good questions. I can answer the Economic ones. When a tycoon looks at the US Treasury, his face turns to like, Dracula when he see fresh b lood. Then he regains his composure and tells you to give him a tax break and he will fix the Economy (which doesn't need fixing). Trump is cutting jobs, expenses like Ukraine, Dept of Ed, NOAA and saving money up in the Treasuiry. Now, add to that tariff collections and when all that maximizes, there will be tax break for Corporations. If only they could add SS. Real Estate Investment companies will get the lion's share and Mr. Trump will go laughing all the way to the bank while the rest of us pay higher prices fro everything. MAGAs are getting scammed and don't even realize it.
 
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