Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot[W:125]

[Cephus]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

I'm still trying to figure out when Muslim became a Race?

That comes from the left and we all know they're not very bright.

 

[sanman]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Are you Hindu?

Heh, why are you asking? Is it because you need me to be one, in order to contrive a debating position that isn't based on the content of my arguments?

I'm a staunch atheist, and I believe that all religions and deities are man-made fiction. That includes your precious Allah.

 

[JANFU]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Heh, why are you asking? Is it because you need me to be one, in order to contrive a debating position that isn't based on the content of my arguments?

I'm a staunch atheist, and I believe that all religions and deities are man-made fiction.

hmm an angry man.
So how would we know if you are indeed the spawn of immigrants?

 

[Bodi]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Sorry guys, it wasn't a Democrat who said these words. It was one of those Republicans still running for the nomination despite the fact they have less of a chance than I do.



Oh yeah, that was Lindsey Graham(R-SC) speaking on CNN

They are all idiots... and Graham thinking that some words can turn non-radical terrorists into murdering radical terrorists is beyond stupid.

 

[sanman]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

hmm an angry man.
So how would we know if you are indeed the spawn of immigrants?

Uhh, what is this - your personal background check on me? How do we know what you are? Why don't you give us your full disclosure, before demanding it of others? More arrogance from the Left. I couldn't give a rat's ass about what doubts you have over me. You're the one who comes across as not just angry, but ignorant, self-centered and conceited.

 

[JANFU]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Uhh, what is this - your personal background check on me? How do we know what you are? Why don't you give us your full disclosure, before demanding it of others? More arrogance from the Left. I couldn't give a rat's ass about what doubts you have over me. You're the one who comes across as not just angry, but ignorant, self-centered and conceited.

Not me that made claims. You did.

 

[Hatuey]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Many racists support Obama - they're just from a different racist group - he speaks to their sacred cows at the end of the day. You know, all non-colored, white speakers of European languages, english or otherwise, are to be feared. It's really a sad repetition of the same mentality.

We know, we know, but I've yet to see Obama pander to core demands of racists from other groups. Obama has brought attention to cases involving blacks. He's also well, that's pretty much it.. I mean I haven't seen Obama go "Hey, let's give out Cadillacs as reparations!" or "Segregate whites into little poor communities." He's not really about that life.

Trump on the other hand has actually endorsed one of the wet dreams by white racists. Locking Mooslums out of the country. That's definitely a nod to all of those modern neo-Nazi kids who vote for the candidate who post things like whites are being massacred by blacks. Oh wait, Trump did that too. That's really all that there is. Trump is pandering to racists, and they're coming out in droves to support him.

 

[sanman]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Not me that made claims. You did.

Pfft - you're the one who said "And now I am a race baiter... Do you know what religion or color, ugly term, that I am."

You're the one who seems to want to hint something about himself, even though you seem too cowardly to come out and say it.
In other words, you want to make claims about yourself without making any claims about yourself - have your cake and eat it too.

 

[sanman]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

We know, we know, but I've yet to see Obama pander to core demands of racists from other groups. Obama has brought attention to cases involving blacks. He's also well, that's pretty much it.. I mean I haven't seen Obama go "Hey, let's give out Cadillacs as reparations!" or "Segregate whites into little poor communities." He's not really about that life.

Trump on the other hand has actually endorsed one of the wet dreams by white racists. Locking Mooslums out of the country. That's definitely a nod to all of those modern neo-Nazi kids who vote for the candidate who post things like whites are being massacred by blacks. Oh wait, Trump did that too. That's really all that there is. Trump is pandering to racists, and they're coming out in droves to support him.

There are plenty of Muslims who are as white as Trump is. Islam isn't a race - it's both a religion and an ideology.
It's an ideology because it demands a particular type of government and a particular type of legal system. It's an ideology that's totalitarian, because it pretty much tells people how to live there lives in every detail, including how to dress.

Do you see dictating to each other how to dress, or imposing their dress codes on non-Catholics?

Religions whose adherents are mainly based in the advanced Western world are more likely to be embracing of Western values - and embrace of Western values is essential and fundamental to coexistence within Western societies. Those whose religious base lies mainly in the 3rd world and reflects 3rd world values, and who refuse to accept the values of developed Western countries, should not immigrate to a developed country with the expectation that country would assimilate towards their values, instead of them assimilating to the host country's values.

 

[JANFU]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Pfft - you're the one who said "And now I am a race baiter... Do you know what religion or color, ugly term, that I am."

You're the one who seems to want to hint something about himself, even though you seem too cowardly to come out and say it.
In other words, you want to make claims about yourself without making any claims about yourself - have your cake and eat it too.

Nope- You labeled me a race baiter. Now prove it.

Rubbish - citizenship is not owed, immigration is not owed. Any country for whom immigration becomes an obligation is not a sovereign country. The right to not have immigration is a sovereign right. Those who don't recognize such sovereign rights are themselves fascists. Basically you're trying to browbeat people into accepting immigration and having demographic alteration shoved down their throats. There are plenty of reasons why immigrants should be turned down from countries where their values are incompatible with American values. The goal of immigrants from the 3rd world should be to assimilate to American values rather than to assimilate America towards 3rd world values, which are the reason for so much suffering in the 3rd world.

I'm born to parents who immigrated to the United States from India, where they were born. My skin color is just as dark as Obama's. Race-baiters like you couldn't care less about the difference between first world and third world countries - but let me tell you, there's a hell of a difference. You're just too ignorant to recognize it.

 

[Kobie]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

As long as you don't count any of the idiots on the left maybe.

Oh, I'm counting them. I detest Hillary and I'd take a thousand Hillarys over Trump.

 

[Hatuey]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

There are plenty of Muslims who are as white as Trump is.

This would be relevant if white racists in the US didn't make a difference of whites themselves based on religion, nationality, etc. But we know that's not true. We know that white racists in the US are perfectly capable of discriminating against other whites. Good grief, they don't even need to talk about being racist anymore to attract people. They just have to use words like national front and the white holocaust and the flies come flying.

In some historical examples , the Irish, because of their Catholicism, were seen as non-whites for nearly a century. Was it any less racist when the Irish were being discriminated against because they were Catholic on top of being Irish? Not to the Irish. It certainly doesn't seem that way to those who study Irish history. It definitely isn't to historians. Muslims aren't seen as a white group so it's fine for racists to group against them. Religious and racial miscegenation is a sin anyways.

That said, my comment stands. Trump attracts racists. He's promising a racist wet dream: Being able to lock people out of the country base on whatever feature you decide. Trump is promising what David Duke dreams of and many Republicans -- Southern Republicans -- people from the same party who wants to take credit for the Civil Rights Act are supporting it. That's not gonna go unnoticed.

 

[sanman]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

This would be relevant if white racists in the US didn't make a difference of whites themselves based on religion, nationality, etc. But we know that's not true. We know that white racists in the US are perfectly capable of discriminating against other whites. Some like the Irish, because of their Catholicism, were seen as non-whites for nearly a century. Was it any less racist when the Irish were being discriminated against because they weren't Catholic? Not to the Irish. It certainly doesn't seem that way to those who study Irish history. Muslims aren't seen as a white group so it's fine for racists to group against them. Religious and racial miscegenation is a sin anyways. That said, my comment stands. Trump attracts racists.

Uhh, this would be relevant if your ridiculous implication that only one race has a monopoly on racism was somehow magically true INSTEAD OF BEING RIDICULOUSLY ABSURD.

The reality is that more Muslims are racist towards nonMuslims than the other way around. Trump was legitimately citing polls on Muslim attitudes towards vital social issues and on basic attitudes towards secularism vs theocracy. Sorry, but those who support theocracy over Jeffersonian democracy are better off staying in their beloved theocracies rather than migrating to secular democracies for purely shallow economic reasons. There is no moral case to be made for cashing in on a gravy train while supporting theocracy.

Muslim Opinion Polls - Challenging the 'Tiny Minority of Extremists' Myth

The longstanding reality is that economic migrants are strongly distinguished from refugees of persecution, and there are no asylum policies for economic migrants.

I think it would be a great idea to have more polling done in the Muslim world on vital social issues. That way, more Muslims can directly and openly come out and declare to the world what their values are, so that the rest of us can judge whether we'd like to live side-by-side with those values. Transparency and openness are the best policies - unless of course you're a Lefty pitch-man looking to hide the rust under the hood of the used car.

 

[Hatuey]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Uhh, this would be relevant if your ridiculous implication that only one race has a monopoly on racism was somehow magically true INSTEAD OF BEING RIDICULOUSLY ABSURD.

I've never made such implication, that's literally something you made up just now. I've said racists flock to Trump, and Trump panders to specific hopes of racists. As a matter of fact, on what you're claiming up here:

Many racists support Obama

We know, we know, but I've yet to see Obama pander to core demands of racists from other groups.

If you're going to try to create silly arguments that require you to lie, at least wait a page. When you so blatantly lie within your first sentence, it's hard to read anything else you say. I simply pointed out the irrelevancy of some Muslims being white to racists historical and otherwise. Racists in the US have proven perfectly capable of discriminating against other whites as long it fits within a larger pattern of discrimination based on religion, nationality etc. Evidence for that is in post: 62.

 

[Roadvirus]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Sorry guys, it wasn't a Democrat who said these words. It was one of those Republicans still running for the nomination despite the fact they have less of a chance than I do.



Oh yeah, that was Lindsey Graham(R-SC) speaking on CNN

Graham...who is near dead last in the polls on the GOP side. He's nothing but a stupid Pro-Illegal Immigrant Amnesty RINO.

 

[Somerville]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Graham...who is near dead last in the polls on the GOP side. He's nothing but a stupid Pro-Illegal Immigrant Amnesty RINO.

Aww, that's so sweet. It is funny how one of the most conservative states in the nation, a state which is quite proud of the fact it initiated the Civil War, (oops I meant the War of Northern Aggression), continues to vote for this "stupid Pro-Illegal Immigrant Amnesty RINO"

 

[Roadvirus]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

The Republicans are shooting down the person who's leading their party right now.......
The confused and completely divided GOP....

ESTABLISHMENT Republicans. They are the ones who are completely oblivious to what the people want because they are so flippin' drunk with power from decades of being in politics.

 

[Roadvirus]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Trump speaks for the angry, the fearful, the ignorant, the stupid.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average man.

No kidding. Look at how many people elected and reelected Obama.

 

[sanman]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

I've never made such implication, that's literally something you made up just now. I've said racists flock to Trump, and Trump panders to specific hopes of racists. As a matter of fact, on what you're claiming up here:

Bigots flock to Islam. Look at how nonMuslim minorities live in Muslim majority countries - as second class citizens. If we can't use Muslim majority countries to understand what Islam represents, then what can we use - Mars?

If you're going to try to create silly arguments that require you to lie, at least wait a page. When you so blatantly lie within your first sentence, it's hard to read anything else you say. I simply pointed out the irrelevancy of some Muslims being white to racists historical and otherwise. Racists in the US have proven perfectly capable of discriminating against other whites as long it fits within a larger pattern of discrimination based on religion, nationality etc. Evidence for that is in post: 62.

And how does this give Muslims any moral highground, when they are the foremost discriminators on planet Earth? Take a look at Muslim majority countries. Show me one of them that has moral highground over Trump and the "racists" you claim support him.

 

[danarhea]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

The problem is, voters know that ever politician in Washington, including those running for president are bought and paid for. Trump is not.

And he at least speaks their minds at the dinner table. He's uncouth and obnoxious, but he's the least plastic candidate on the board.

He'll likely fade, but will anyone else rise? Nobody's excited about any of them on either side.

He's just as bad. He buys politicians.

 

[Kobie]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Bigots flock to Islam. Look at how nonMuslim minorities live in Muslim majority countries - as second class citizens. If we can't use Muslim majority countries to understand what Islam represents, then what can we use - Mars?


And how does this give Muslims any moral highground, when they are the foremost discriminators on planet Earth? Take a look at Muslim majority countries. Show me one of them that has moral highground over Trump and the "racists" you claim support him.

Other sects of Muslims live as second class citizens in some "Muslim countries." It's tribalism. Your transparent attempt to deflect criticism from Trump to your usual object of hate is duly noted.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Sorry guys, it wasn't a Democrat who said these words. It was one of those Republicans still running for the nomination despite the fact they have less of a chance than I do.



Oh yeah, that was Lindsey Graham(R-SC) speaking on CNN

Of course he is. It's rather obvious.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Honestly...it took this thread for me to remember Graham was even running.

As I've said in other threads, I love hoe Trump is trolling the politicians. Personally, I don't think it's his politics that explain his leading the polls. It's because the citizens are sick of fake politicians. They'd rather have someone like Trump in the White House than some of the fake, empty-promise republicans or Hillary who's entire political career has been lie after lie after lie.

 

[sanman]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Other sects of Muslims live as second class citizens in some "Muslim countries." It's tribalism. Your transparent attempt to deflect criticism from Trump to your usual object of hate is duly noted.

Islam is used as the reason to treat second-class inhabitants as second-class. The fact that Islam mistreats other Muslims doesn't make it more positive ("hey look - we're even hard on our own") - it just means that Islam is so promoting of intolerance that even other Muslim sects can be labeled as heretics. It's not mere tribalism - it's the politics promoted by Islam and its absolutist anti-pluralist ideology.

What actual firsthand experience do you have with Islam? You're just talking out of your backside.

 

[Hatuey]

Re: Trump is a 'race-baiting, xenophobic' bigot

Bigots flock to Islam. Look at how nonMuslim minorities live in Muslim majority countries - as second class citizens. If we can't use Muslim majority countries to understand what Islam represents, then what can we use - Mars?

Do you see what I mean when I say you'e unable to defend a position? I never made such an implication. Instead of admitting that you lied, you simply move on to the next statement and hoped I'd forget. I stated Trump attracts racists. That seems to be entirely true, they flock to him. Can you discuss that?

And how does this give Muslims any moral highground, when they are the foremost discriminators on planet Earth? Take a look at Muslim majority countries. Show me one of them that has moral highground over Trump and the "racists" you claim support him.

See what I mean when I say you create strawman so you can knock them down? This is an example of that.