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Trump: 'I'm a nationalist'

Casca XV said:
Yes, Hitler used Nationalist feelings to motivate his people, just like FDR & Churchill used Nationalist feelings to motivate their people to defeat Hitler.
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No, what you're referring to is called Patriotism. Churchill and FDR didn't invent an imaginary enemy and stoke an irrational fear of minorities and foreigners. Pearl Harbor was attacked by Japan. England was under attack by Hitler who had already invaded and overtaken France and Poland.

We, on the other hand, our a nation that was built by immigrants who are being told that we're being invaded by rapists, murderers, and terrorists, when in reality it's a relatively small number of refugees coming here to escape war and poverty looking for an opportunity for a better life for themselves and their families.

Patriotism is pride in your country for the good things it does, Nationalism is fear and distrust of other countries under the assumption that yours is the only one that is good. Nationalism is a belief that your county is inherently good regardless of what horrible things it has done. Patriotism is a desire to see your country do good things.

Casca XV said:
By the way; "Nazi" is slang not an acronym. If it were an acronym it would have an "S" for Socialist. In other words the Nazis were Leftists just you. They were not people of the Right like President Trump and his supporters.
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Seriously? How many times do I have to repost this **** for you people...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

the Nazi Party was a far-right political party in Germany that was active between 1920 and 1945
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The Nazi Party emerged from the German nationalist, racist and populist Freikorps paramilitary culture, which fought against the communist uprisings in post-World War I Germany.[6] The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.
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The Nazis propagated the idea of a "people's community" (Volksgemeinschaft). Their aim was to unite "racially desirable" Germans as national comrades, while excluding those deemed either to be political dissidents, physically or intellectually inferior, or of a foreign race (Fremdvölkische).[9] The Nazis sought to improve the stock of the Germanic people through racial purity
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MrWonka said:
No, what you're referring to is called Patriotism. Churchill and FDR didn't invent an imaginary enemy and stoke an irrational fear of minorities and foreigners. Pearl Harbor was attacked by Japan. England was under attack by Hitler who had already invaded and overtaken France and Poland.

We, on the other hand, our a nation that was built by immigrants who are being told that we're being invaded by rapists, murderers, and terrorists, when in reality it's a relatively small number of refugees coming here to escape war and poverty looking for an opportunity for a better life for themselves and their families.

Patriotism is pride in your country for the good things it does, Nationalism is fear and distrust of other countries under the assumption that yours is the only one that is good. Nationalism is a belief that your county is inherently good regardless of what horrible things it has done. Patriotism is a desire to see your country do good things.



Seriously? How many times do I have to repost this **** for you people...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
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Nice try. Crack open a dictionary. Nationalism and Patriotism are synonyms. They describe the exact same thing.

Hitler, Obama and every other Leftist leader i have ever heard of has used lies and strawmen to gen up resentment.

This is not what what President Trump is doing. He is putting Americans first.

The Crips and Bloods fighting each other or one Italian Mafia Family going to war with another doesn't make them fundamentaly different.

The Nazis fighting Communist or other Socialist groups were nothing more than Leftist gangs fighting for tha same power base.
 
Casca XV said:
Nice try. Crack open a dictionary. Nationalism and Patriotism are synonyms. They describe the exact same thing.

Hitler, Obama and every other Leftist leader i have ever heard of has used lies and strawmen to gen up resentment.

This is not what what President Trump is doing. He is putting Americans first.



The Crips and Bloods fighting each other or one Italian Mafia Family going to war with another doesn't make them fundamentaly different.

The Nazis fighting Communist or other Socialist groups were nothing more than Leftist gangs fighting for tha same power base.
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You really believe that? :lamo The con man has won....
 
americanwoman said:
Okay use those 2A rights to blast a cop and let's see where that gets you. How patriotic of you to shoot a cop, you must be one of those anti-cop thugs. :lol:
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American government officials will not be forcing Americans into government run programs and into giving up their possessions and guns as long as republicans remain in control.
 
marke said:
American government officials will not be forcing Americans into government run programs and into giving up their possessions and guns as long as republicans remain in control.
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Newsflash buddy - they are in control and they are expanding civil forfeiture.
 
Casca XV said:
Nice try. Crack open a dictionary. Nationalism and Patriotism are synonyms. They describe the exact same thing.
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Wrong. Nationalism is what is known as a dog whistle. It's a way of saying something that your people will recognize while simultaneously being able to deny you said it when you get called out on it. If the two words meant the same thing then there would be no reason to use Nationalism at all, but Nationalism is a term frequently used by Nazis and White Supremacists who refer to themselves as White Nationalists.

Casca XV said:
This is not what President Trump is doing. He is putting Americans first.
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Germany First was one of Hitler's campaign slogans. Yet another dog whistle that White Supremacists like Trump use to communicate with their base while trying to make it seem like it has more broad appeal.

Nationalism, America First... They are code words. They're kind of like how racists use the word Thug instead of the N-word because they know the N-word will make their racism way too obvious so they use a replacement word to make it sound better.

It's kind of like how liberals use the world Public, but conservatives always use Government Run. Public education vs Government Run Education. Public healthcare vs Government Run health care. Public Library vs Government run bookstore...

In theory, all those things mean the same thing, but people who use one word versus the other do so for a very specific reason. They're trying to send a very specific message. Trump calling himself a Nationalist and telling all Republicans to use that word is an attempt by him to normalize Nazis and White Nationalists. He's trying to make them seem less extreme, by giving them something in common with the rest of his supporters. This makes it easier for White Nationalists and Nazis to mingle and recruit without seeming incredibly out of place.
 
americanwoman said:
So the other side elected a guy that represents the exact opposite of Christian values and morals.

Makes sense. :lamo
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No. We elected a sinner by choice over the other sinner who was seeking to inherit the 'throne' by general democrat acclamation.
 
Fledermaus said:
National

Like National Democratic Party, New National Party, National Liberal Party, National Democratic Congress, etc.

Think of the countries with Democrat in the name....

German Democratic Republic, Democratic Federal Yugoslavia, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, People's Democratic Republic of Yemen.............

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Wow,and though democracy was a good thing. Thanks for opening my eyes.

There was "black nationalism" and "Chicano nationalism" in the 1960s. The word is by no means offensive. But when Trump uses it, it represents to his opponents the ignorance and arrogance present in some quarters of US politics, has echoes of disturbing events in Europe, of the theme of "real Americans," as opposed to the invading hordes approaching our border, etc. His supporters view it as harmless, like his humping of the US flag. We are all grownups here (perhaps excepting Donald). We know what he means. Correct response, "yeah, we are nationalists, too. Next question?"
 
nationalism chas de gaulle.webp
 
Casca XV said:
Nice try. Crack open a dictionary. Nationalism and Patriotism are synonyms. They describe the exact same thing.

Hitler, Obama and every other Leftist leader i have ever heard of has used lies and strawmen to gen up resentment.

This is not what what President Trump is doing. He is putting Americans first.

The Crips and Bloods fighting each other or one Italian Mafia Family going to war with another doesn't make them fundamentaly different.

The Nazis fighting Communist or other Socialist groups were nothing more than Leftist gangs fighting for tha same power base.
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Hitler was a Facsist. That is as far right as you can get.

Obama is slightly left of center by any US standard. That is how he got elected twice.
 
marke said:
No. We elected a sinner by choice over the other sinner who was seeking to inherit the 'throne' by general democrat acclamation.
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If only the Bible had some sort of warning about using the devil to get what you want.
 
Helix said:
i'm not a nationalist. instead, i like my country and want to make it better. first step : remove assholes from office at the polls.
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I think you may have broken the record for 'likes' with this post,Helix. rightfully so
 
marke said:
That is not what I read here:

Civil Asset Forfeiture Skyrocketed Under Obama

Civil Asset Forfeiture Skyrocketed Under Obama
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Just because the dollar value of asset forfeitures increased doesn't mean the frequency did. It just means the value of the assets increased. Asset forfeiture typically is used to prevent criminals from profiting from their crimes. Most commonly drug trafficking. Many drug traffickers live an extravagant lifestyles and have huge assets. Even so, I don't like the policy because it is abused by law enforcement all the time. Police departments profit from the policy directly as they are permitted to keep the assets or sell them for their own profit.
 
Nickyjo said:
Wow,and though democracy was a good thing. Thanks for opening my eyes.

There was "black nationalism" and "Chicano nationalism" in the 1960s. The word is by no means offensive. But when Trump uses it, it represents to his opponents the ignorance and arrogance present in some quarters of US politics, has echoes of disturbing events in Europe, of the theme of "real Americans," as opposed to the invading hordes approaching our border, etc. His supporters view it as harmless, like his humping of the US flag. We are all grownups here (perhaps excepting Donald). We know what he means. Correct response, "yeah, we are nationalists, too. Next question?"
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Yeah.. I just poking fun at the "Nationalism = Nazi" crowd.
 
MrWonka said:
Wrong. Nationalism is what is known as a dog whistle. It's a way of saying something that your people will recognize while simultaneously being able to deny you said it when you get called out on it. If the two words meant the same thing then there would be no reason to use Nationalism at all, but Nationalism is a term frequently used by Nazis and White Supremacists who refer to themselves as White Nationalists.


Germany First was one of Hitler's campaign slogans. Yet another dog whistle that White Supremacists like Trump use to communicate with their base while trying to make it seem like it has more broad appeal.

Nationalism, America First... They are code words. They're kind of like how racists use the word Thug instead of the N-word because they know the N-word will make their racism way too obvious so they use a replacement word to make it sound better.

It's kind of like how liberals use the world Public, but conservatives always use Government Run. Public education vs Government Run Education. Public healthcare vs Government Run health care. Public Library vs Government run bookstore...

In theory, all those things mean the same thing, but people who use one word versus the other do so for a very specific reason. They're trying to send a very specific message. Trump calling himself a Nationalist and telling all Republicans to use that word is an attempt by him to normalize Nazis and White Nationalists. He's trying to make them seem less extreme, by giving them something in common with the rest of his supporters. This makes it easier for White Nationalists and Nazis to mingle and recruit without seeming incredibly out of place.
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"Dog Whistle" & "Code Words" are a 100% BS propaganda tactic Leftists use to their political opponents said something they did not. No one is falling for it anymore, that is why you are losing.

President Trump got the term "America First" and "Make America Great Again" from the Reagan 1980 camping not Hitler.

The only thing Trump and Hitler have in common is that neither drinks/drank alcohol.

Hitler's hatred of capitalism is one biggest reasons he targeted the Jews. He is not invent German Anti-Semitism during that time, he harnessed it. During the same time Germany had a Great Depression ten time worse than ours. Jewish Businessmen were very visibly almost the only people who prospered. This caused a lot of jealously and resentment.

The Nazi 25 point plan would give Bernie Sanders and any other socialist an instant woody. Socialized Health Care, Nationalized Economy, Etc. Take any Hitler speech, update the language, change the term "Jew" to "Rich" and you have a Bernie Sanders speech.

The History Place - Rise of Hitler: The 25 Points of Hitler's Nazi Party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNMAp8kXWrc
 
Tanngrisnir said:
It's OK that your historical illiteracy and intellectual dishonesty prevent you from recognizing that the Nazis simply weren't socialists. Some of the very first people they put in camps were socialists.

North Korea claims to be a democratic republic. I mean, it's in their name, so according to you, it MUST be the case.

Always happy to educate you. You're welcome.
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You're not educating anyone at this point.

Though I can ask you to show me evidence that proves what you're saying is true. However I would rather not grow to an old age and die unfulfilled on the topic.

Unless you actually have the evidence that they were in fact not socialist?
 
Oborosen said:
You're not educating anyone at this point.

Though I can ask you to show me evidence that proves what you're saying is true. However I would rather not grow to an old age and die unfulfilled on the topic.

Unless you actually have the evidence that they were in fact not socialist?
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The only evidence necessary is that they didn't practice socialism, nor can you demonstrate that they did. They allowed for (and depended on) capitalism as is witnessed by the massive corporate base that backed up their war industry.

Your historical illiteracy is always amusing, but must you display it 24/7?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
The only evidence necessary is that they didn't practice socialism, nor can you demonstrate that they did. They allowed for (and depended on) capitalism as is witnessed by the massive corporate base that backed up their war industry.

Your historical illiteracy is always amusing, but must you display it 24/7?
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Didn't practice socialism...hmmm...
You do know that the first thing he did when he came to power, was to nationalize education, healthcare, etc...etc...etc... right?

Gee...smacks of socialism to me. Have you got a different definition of socialism?
 
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