They are going to have to if they bring a court case against him.
Good catch!wow. i missed this until i saw this tweet...
Garland has said that the law will be applied "evenly". If some of those documents represent a threat to our national security then the orange pustule will also be charged with espionage.He will neither need to prove nor disprove this if he is charged because it's not part of the charges. At this point the classification status of the documents is irrelevant. The statuet the warrant was issued on makes it a criminal offence to possess documents related to national defence period. It makes no distinction whether they are classified or not. In either case, possessing them is illegal.
It matters squat if he declassified them or not.
"The first law, Section 793 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code, is better known as the Espionage Act. It criminalizes the unauthorized retention or disclosure of information related to national defense that could be used to harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary. Each offense can carry a penalty of up to 10 years in prison.
Despite its name, the Espionage Act is not limited to instances of spying for a foreign power and is written in a way that broadly covers mishandling of security-related secrets. The government has frequently used it to prosecute officials who have leaked information to the news media for the purpose of whistle-blowing or otherwise informing the public, for example.
Importantly, Congress enacted the Espionage Act in 1917, during World War I — decades before President Harry S. Truman issued an executive order that created the modern classification system, under which documents can be deemed confidential, secret or top secret. The president is the ultimate arbiter of whether any of those classifications applies — or should be lifted.
As a result, while these classifications — especially top secret ones — can be good indicators that a document probably meets the standard of being “national defense information” covered by the Espionage Act, charges under that law can be brought against someone who hoarded national security secrets even if they were not deemed classified.
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Since when did the accused have to probe anything. The burden is on the prosecution to probe that he did not beyond a reasonable doubt.You're framing the question wrong.
The question is, how does a former President prove he declassified stuff?
Or these days, a phone. Hey, wait, maybe that is why you can't take that into a SCIF when you are viewing classified docs?So people can just copy national security information and poof they are personal records?
That's one hell of a loophole to the espionage act! All you need is a xerox machine!
Leave him alone Jay, he is owning the Libs.Do you ever feel any kind of embarrassment? At all?
Backatha.
If they are copies, they are personal records.
LOL..... Ok, dismiss away.Okay.
I asked if there is a process that the President must follow to declassify stuff. After a lot of responses that ranged from insults to basically saying "I don't know", Obama's EO was presented. The problem, though, is that the EO doesn't pertain to the President. It is directed at agencies and individuals who work UNDER the President. So, while that EO does provide a process, the President doesn't have to follow it.
Also, your article from Politico left some stuff out that Trump said. The article quoted Trump saying this: “There doesn’t have to be a process, as I understand it,” This would be in line with that EO. There's a process, but the President isn't bound by it. But that's not ALL that Trump said to Hannity.
“A president has the power to declassify,” the Fox News host stated. “You have said on Truth Social a number of times you did declassify.”“I did declassify, yes,” Trump said.“Is there a process?” Hannity asked. “What was your process?”“There doesn’t have to be a process as I understand it,” Trump replied. “If you’re the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying, ‘It’s declassified,’ even by thinking about it because you’re sending it to Mar-a-Lago or wherever you’re sending it. And there doesn’t have to be a process. There can be a process but there doesn’t have to be. You’re the president. You make that decision. So when you send it, it’s declassified. I declassified everything.”Trump Claims a President Can Declassify Documents Just 'By Thinking About It'
Donald Trump claimed the president of the United States can declassify government documents simply by declaring them as such, or "even by thinking about it."www.mediaite.com
So...here's what it all boils down to, so far: Trump is correct. There is a process, but he doesn't have to follow the process. He can declassify stuff just by saying it's declassified and, in the case of moving stuff to another location, the stuff is then declassified.
If anyone disputes this, please provide laws or regulations that apply to the President to support your dispute. Anything else will be summarily dismissed.
btw, Politico...by deliberately leaving out pertinent quotes of what Trump actually said...is doing a disservice to the public. I suggest extreme skepticism when reading anything from them. Try to find out what they DIDN'T tell you.
Please keep up with the thread if you'd like to participate. Presidential records v personal records. Nothing to do with their classification.So people can just copy national security information and poof they are personal records?
That's one hell of a loophole to the espionage act! All you need is a xerox machine!
The prosecution presented evidence of classification. This evidence was accepted by Dearie in his SM role and by the 11th circuit court of appeals.Since when did the accused have to probe anything. The burden is on the prosecution to probe that he did not beyond a reasonable doubt.
In requesting a Special Master, Trump is the plaintiff. So the burden is on him.Since when did the accused have to probe anything. The burden is on the prosecution to probe that he did not beyond a reasonable doubt.
Just like the $cientologists will never accept that L. Ron was pumped full of psych meds when he died....You're wasting your time posting that link. MAGATS will never accept the fact that there is a defined process to declassify documents. Now the current President certainly has the authority to modify that process but there is no evidence that that ever happened.
The jackass is up a creek without a paddle right now, and its going to be a LOT of fun to watch.
the other ~10,900 records will be reviewed by Dearie.Please keep up with the thread if you'd like to participate. Presidential records v personal records. Nothing to do with their classification.
He is not the accused as it relates to the SM . He is the one who sought the appointment. That's why Donnie is paying the tab.Since when did the accused have to probe anything. The burden is on the prosecution to probe that he did not beyond a reasonable doubt.
Yes. I certainly had that opinion about a hypothetical President Clinton.
I disagree with your contention that Trump is "no better and deserves no more trust than Ms. Clinton".
Since when did the accused have to probe anything. The burden is on the prosecution to probe that he did not beyond a reasonable doubt.
Indeed. Might have been a slip o the tongue there.Good catch!
wow. i missed this until i saw this tweet...
Also known as TEH_Galactic_Sadz.
Funny how he only says this to the media but his lawyers have never, not once, claimed he declassified any of the docs that were retrieved? Lie on Hannity - no consequences. Lie in a legal document to a court = PERJURY and his latest group of lawyers would be held responsible to the lies as well as Trump would be. It's really a simple bullshit meter. Say it on Hannity but not to a court = BULLSHIT.Trump: I could declassify documents by thinking about it
The former president insisted in an interview with Sean Hannity that the documents at issue in the Mar-a-Lago probe were all declassified. Evidence, he added, isn’t really needed.www.politico.com
And his Jerry Springer IQ followers will suck this shit down.
Or utter bullshit flights of grandiose delirious illusions while he was still alive.Just like the $cientologists will never accept that L. Ron was pumped full of psych meds when he died....
I am sure he "thought about it".So, Biden can say that he re-classified all the documents in his mind on his inauguration day and you would be OK with that?
Backatha.
If they are copies, they are personal records.
Two more weeks.Speaking of Strzok, where is that Durham Report we've been told is going to result in him doing a perp walk?
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