Trump holds a political rally at a military base

[Bodecea]

How badly did it end for the Kim family?

How badly for the dictator of Italy? Of Romania? Of Iraq?

 

[CaughtInThe]

****ing disgusting

 

[Questerr]

How badly for the dictator of Italy? Of Romania? Of Iraq?

So when you said “always” you really meant “sometimes”.

 

[ElChupacabra]

What is supposed to separate us FROM Banana Land is the fact that our military has ALWAYS sworn an oath to the Constitution whereas in many other countries they swear an oath to a person, usually an absolute monarch, dictator or entrenched leader of a virtual one party system where the party controls ALL candidates.
Also, we have the Uniform Code of Military Justice which specifically warns against obeying orders which are repugnant to the Constitution.

If they are swearing loyalty to Trump, they are breaking the law, violating the Constitution and setting themselves up for court martial or worse.

Yep, and there should never be a blurry line between soldiers swearing an oath to the Constitution and allegiance just to the president.

 

[Emlee]

Ok, I like that.

Nothing could make me listen to his speech but looking at the background, I wonder what these young lads have been promised to be a prop?

Apparently they were screened for loyalty, couldn’t be fat, as well there was selling Trump merch on base.

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Bragg Soldiers Who Cheered Trump's Political Attacks While in Uniform Were Checked for Allegiance, Appearance​

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Internal 82nd Airborne Division communications reviewed by Military.com reveal a tightly orchestrated effort to curate the optics of Trump's recent visit, including handpicking soldiers for the audience based on political leanings and physical appearance. The troops ultimately selected to be behind Trump and visible to the cameras were almost exclusively male.

One unit-level message bluntly said "no fat soldiers."

"If soldiers have political views that are in opposition to the current administration and they don't want to be in the audience then they need to speak with their leadership and get swapped out," another note to troops said.

Service officials declined to comment when asked about the extent to which troops were screened, whether soldiers displaying partisan cheers on television -- a violation of long-standing Pentagon rules -- would be disciplined or if soldiers who objected to participating in the event, citing disagreements with the administration, would be disciplined or admonished in any way.

"This has been a bad week for the Army for anyone who cares about us being a neutral institution," one commander at Fort Bragg told Military.com on the condition of anonymity to avoid retaliation. "This was shameful. I don't expect anything to come out of it, but I hope maybe we can learn from it long term."

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Adding to the spectacle, a pop-up shop operated by 365 Campaign, a Tulsa, Oklahoma-based retailer that sells pro-Trump and other conservative-coded memorabilia, was set up on-site with campaign-style merchandise on Army property. Soldiers were seen purchasing clothing and tchotchkes, including "Make America Great Again" chain necklaces to faux credit cards labeled "White Privilege Card: Trumps Everything."

Permitting the sale of overtly partisan merchandise on an Army base likely runs afoul of numerous Defense Department regulations aimed at preserving the military's long-standing commitment to political neutrality. The Army has historically gone to great lengths to avoid even the appearance of partisanship.

More at link;

Bragg Soldiers Who Cheered Trump's Political Attacks While in Uniform Were Checked for Allegiance, Appearance | Military.com

www.military.com

 

[Hamish Howl]

And if that truly turns out to be the case, then ultimately the Republic has ceased to exist.

Yeah, that can be laid at the feet of Merrick Garland.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Ominous

I read there was a weeks long selection process for those who would be in the shots of the fat man! They had to have the right politics, like how they do things in Russia and they had to have the "right faces" - meaning white

 

[Fearandloathing]

And if that truly turns out to be the case, then ultimately the Republic has ceased to exist.
Secession from "the union" is constitutionally impossible but if the Constitution is invalidated and nullified then the union disappears.
Anything claiming to act on behalf of such a post-constitutional "union" is in breach and is "taxation without representation" and forced obedience to a tyrant.
We fought a revolution against those very things all those years ago.
We fought a world war against those very things eighty years ago.

There will be nothing to secede FROM.

That is indeed the case.

Laws do not matter in the usa.

When has the law ever stopped Trump?

 

[Questerr]

This isn't entirely unheard of for Republican presidents. When Bush came to my base in Germany in 05, the unit command ordered everyone who didn't support Bush to not even be on base that day.

 

[braindrain]

I expect that the demographics of those serving in the armed forces roughly match the demographics of the wider population, which means there is good reason to believe that some 30% of those serving in the military are loyal first and only to Donald John Trump, while the other 70% are loyal to the Constitution. Therefore that insurgency will start within the military itself.

I hope it doesn't happen, but the sad reality is that there are likely several hundred thousand people in our armed forces who have sworn fealty to Donald Trump and will hate whom he tells them to hate, fight whom he tells them to fight, and kill whom he tells them to kill. So, this is really about everybody else in the armed forces, and getting the message out to them that there will come a time when they may need to protect the rest of the population from some of their own fellow soldiers.

Talk about stupid.
You know there is a whole section of this forum for this kind of garbage right.

 

[braindrain]

This isn't entirely unheard of for Republican presidents. When Bush came to my base in Germany in 05, the unit command ordered everyone who didn't support Bush to not even be on base that day.

They did the same thing when Obama came to my base.

I get that many on the left want to pretend that this is some unique thing about trump or the right. But it simply is not.

Go look at all the times democrats used soldiers as props and see if you can find any outrage by the left.
It’s how you know you guys are full of shit and this is just more partisan bs.

 

[Questerr]

They did the same thing when Obama came to my base.

I get that many on the left want to pretend that this is some unique thing about trump or the right. But it simply is not.

Go look at all the times democrats used soldiers as props and see if you can find any outrage by the left.
It’s how you know you guys are full of shit and this is just more partisan bs.

How many times did a Democratic president hold a full on campaign rally including merch sales on a military base?

 

[Lovebug]

Apparently they were screened for loyalty, couldn’t be fat, as well there was selling Trump merch on base.

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Bragg Soldiers Who Cheered Trump's Political Attacks While in Uniform Were Checked for Allegiance, Appearance​

*snipped

Internal 82nd Airborne Division communications reviewed by Military.com reveal a tightly orchestrated effort to curate the optics of Trump's recent visit, including handpicking soldiers for the audience based on political leanings and physical appearance. The troops ultimately selected to be behind Trump and visible to the cameras were almost exclusively male.

One unit-level message bluntly said "no fat soldiers."

"If soldiers have political views that are in opposition to the current administration and they don't want to be in the audience then they need to speak with their leadership and get swapped out," another note to troops said.

Service officials declined to comment when asked about the extent to which troops were screened, whether soldiers displaying partisan cheers on television -- a violation of long-standing Pentagon rules -- would be disciplined or if soldiers who objected to participating in the event, citing disagreements with the administration, would be disciplined or admonished in any way.

"This has been a bad week for the Army for anyone who cares about us being a neutral institution," one commander at Fort Bragg told Military.com on the condition of anonymity to avoid retaliation. "This was shameful. I don't expect anything to come out of it, but I hope maybe we can learn from it long term."

*snipped

Adding to the spectacle, a pop-up shop operated by 365 Campaign, a Tulsa, Oklahoma-based retailer that sells pro-Trump and other conservative-coded memorabilia, was set up on-site with campaign-style merchandise on Army property. Soldiers were seen purchasing clothing and tchotchkes, including "Make America Great Again" chain necklaces to faux credit cards labeled "White Privilege Card: Trumps Everything."

Permitting the sale of overtly partisan merchandise on an Army base likely runs afoul of numerous Defense Department regulations aimed at preserving the military's long-standing commitment to political neutrality. The Army has historically gone to great lengths to avoid even the appearance of partisanship.

More at link;

Bragg Soldiers Who Cheered Trump's Political Attacks While in Uniform Were Checked for Allegiance, Appearance | Military.com

www.military.com

Thanks for this.
Now, I've seen quite a few people falling on the felon's sword but our military?
I will always be grateful for them but this just isn't the way to go.

 

[Linc]

Talk about stupid.
You know there is a whole section of this forum for this kind of garbage right.

Franco, Hitler, Stalin, BRICS, GOPutins

 

[Lovebug]

This isn't entirely unheard of for Republican presidents. When Bush came to my base in Germany in 05, the unit command ordered everyone who didn't support Bush to not even be on base that day.

Not quite the same though, is it?

 

[Lovebug]

They did the same thing when Obama came to my base.

I get that many on the left want to pretend that this is some unique thing about trump or the right. But it simply is not.

Go look at all the times democrats used soldiers as props and see if you can find any outrage by the left.
It’s how you know you guys are full of shit and this is just more partisan bs.

Are you forgetting that he is ab/using the military against civilians?
What am I missing here? This isn't just about using loyal kids as props.

 

[Parrish]

I have no words. What country are we living in?

 

[Chomsky]

Ominous

OMG! I can't believe it.

Those soldiers were energetically booing the L.A. & CA Administrators, to Trump's MAGA nonsense charges of "aiding and abetting" "insurrectionists", etc.!

My God. How did the military men & women get so screwed up?

Yes, this is beyond "ominous". Beyond!

BTW - I heard this live in the background on my TV, while I was multitasking. I assumed it was a Trump Rally!

 

[Chomsky]

Trump is very obviously trying to emulate Putin, Xi, Kim etc. He has often expressed his admiration for these authoritarian and evil strong man type leaders who rule by constantly 'eliminating' those that disagree with them or oppose them.

The question is - why do so many Americans want to make this Americas future?

Do you want to live like the Russians, Chinese, or North Koreans? If not, why the hell do you support what Trump is so obviously doing?

Yes, the bolded is the $64K Question!

 

[Chomsky]

I expect that the demographics of those serving in the armed forces roughly match the demographics of the wider population, which means there is good reason to believe that some 30% of those serving in the military are loyal first and only to Donald John Trump, while the other 70% are loyal to the Constitution. Therefore that insurgency will start within the military itself.

I hope it doesn't happen, but the sad reality is that there are likely several hundred thousand people in our armed forces who have sworn fealty to Donald Trump and will hate whom he tells them to hate, fight whom he tells them to fight, and kill whom he tells them to kill. So, this is really about everybody else in the armed forces, and getting the message out to them that there will come a time when they may need to protect the rest of the population from some of their own fellow soldiers.

My gut - unsupported feeling, is rank & file Military recruitment might be skewed a bit towards MAGA demographics.

From my anecdotal experience, many grunts tend to be young, working-class, non-college educated, and of course - male.

This demographic literally screams-out "MAGA!".

 

[bomberfox]

Yeah... Washington called it



Do the Unitary Executive freaks actually read the words that were said all those years ago?

They didnt. Like has been said before originalism is just a historical fishing expedition.

 

[Chomsky]

In the military I think Trump supporters will be most prevalent among the rank and file; while the majority of the officer corps is more likely to honor the constitution.

These are generalizations and there will be exceptions of course. But that's what I think.

That would be my take as well, Loulit01.

 

[bomberfox]

Another step toward martial law. The President of South Korea declared martial law last December. That stood for one day before the assembly nullified it. President Yoon Suk Yeol was then impeached and thrown out of office.

Just sayin'.

Yet it didnt happen here. Guess why

 

[Chomsky]

Is this not a violation of the Hatch Act?

Law & courts no longer matter.

 

[bomberfox]

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