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Trump has now fallen below 50% US-wide.

Tender Branson

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More than 153 million votes are now counted.

California has almost all their votes counted, but around 1 million still is left there.

And in all other states, maybe another 1-2 million are left.

States have until December 11 to finish counting and release their official results to Congress, for the vote of the electoral college.
 
Trump likely will end around 49.8% when the remaining 2-3 million votes are done and counted.

Harris at 48.3%.

Trump will beat her by about 2 million votes nationally, or by +1.5%.
 
Tender Branson said:
More than 153 million votes are now counted.

California has almost all their votes counted, but around 1 million still is left there.

And in all other states, maybe another 1-2 million are left.

States have until December 11 to finish counting and release their official results to Congress, for the vote of the electoral college.
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Updating voting results,

www.cbsnews.com

America Decides - Politics news, analysis and top stories - CBS News

America Decides goes beyond the top political headlines of the day, offering new political reporting, context and fact-based analysis.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
Trump had a 4%-lead nationally on election night (51-47).

But in the end, with most mail-states (who lean heavily D) finishing their count soon, Trump's national lead has been cut from 4% to 1.5% ...

This is not ideal.

In my opinion, all votes should be counted on election day, or the day after.

California and Co. shouldn't be allowed to count votes for 5 weeks after election day. They should be mandated by the Supreme Court to change their election laws, so that all votes are counted immediately on election day and the day after.
 
post said:
Updating voting results,

www.cbsnews.com

America Decides - Politics news, analysis and top stories - CBS News

America Decides goes beyond the top political headlines of the day, offering new political reporting, context and fact-based analysis.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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CBS and other media are not as accurate though.

For example, they are not showing write-in votes, missing more than 300.000 votes nationally. They also do not update state results as frequently as Green Papers or Leip's Election Atlas.
 
Here is Leip's Election Atlas results (also with write-in-votes, which the media is missing, or too lazy to compile):

Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections

Detailed national results of US Presidential Elections from 1789 through 2012, US Senate and Gubernatorial Elections since 1990. Site includes election data, county maps and state maps, charts. State and county results from 1892 through 2012.
uselectionatlas.org
 
Tender Branson said:
Trump had a 4%-lead nationally on election night (51-47).

But in the end, with most mail-states (who lean heavily D) finishing their count soon, Trump's national lead has been cut from 4% to 1.5% ...

This is not ideal.

In my opinion, all votes should be counted on election day, or the day after.

California and Co. shouldn't be allowed to count votes for 5 weeks after election day. They should be mandated by the Supreme Court to change their election laws, so that all votes are counted immediately on election day and the day after.
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That would be a disservice to Americans overseas, especially US military and other government employees assigned to foreign locations. Ballots postmarked before polls close on Election Day should be counted upon arrival.
 
dmpi said:
Is this a case of keep counting until you get the right answer?
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No, I think they count it correctly according to the law.

If they were faking it, US House races would also go Democratic in California after election day ... but they remained close and some were won by Republicans.

It's just that CA needs to be mandated by Congress to count much faster. Mail ballots should not arrive after election day.

Mail ballots should arrive no later than election day.
 
What percentage of eligible voters actually cast a vote?
How many didn't feel a need to vote as their State always votes Democrat or Republican.
I didn't vote for Trump or Harris, and just base my support on individual issues, which leaves me waiting until January to see what happens.
The same would be the case had Harris won.
 
post said:
That would be a disservice to Americans overseas, especially US military and other government employees assigned to foreign locations. Ballots postmarked before polls close on Election Day should be counted upon arrival.
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Mail ballots should arrive no later than election day to be counted, period.

Voters overseas should request their ballots very early and send them back 2 weeks before election day.

You cannot accept mail ballots forever after election day !

Election day must be the last to receive any ballot for counting.
 
Individual said:
What percentage of eligible voters actually cast a vote?
How many didn't feel a need to vote as their State always votes Democrat or Republican.
I didn't vote for Trump or Harris, and just base my support on individual issues, which leaves me waiting until January to see what happens.
The same would be the case had Harris won.
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The voter turnout this year is only slightly less than 2020, which was a record for US presidential elections.

It was ca. 66% turnout last time among those eligible, or 158 million votes.

This year, it will be ca. 64% turnout, and 156 million votes.

The eligible population grew a bit over the last four year, but 2 million people less voted, so a little smaller turnout.

Democratic strongholds (cities) saw a bigger decrease, but suburban and rural areas a bit higher turnout than last time.
 
Trump and Harris would also go into a runoff here in Austria ... because our presidential election system also requires the top 2 candidates to advance to runoffs, if no candidate receives 50% of the vote.

So, in France, Austria and other countries, Trump and Harris would now be campaigning for the runoff election ... :)

A candidate who does not receive an absolute majority of valid votes cast among all voters (like Trump now) is not seen as a legitimate President under our and French election systems.
 
Tender Branson said:
Yes, because of the electoral college.

In France though, Trump would now face a 2nd round runoff election with Harris though - because he dropped below 50%.
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First off, elections in America are determined by the rules America has set for their elections.

Second of all, saying "Yes, because of the electoral college." is the equivalent of saying "Your team won, but only because they scored more points".
 
Jack Fabulous said:
First off, elections in America are determined by the rules America has set for their elections.

Second of all, saying "Yes, because of the electoral college." is the equivalent of saying "Your team won, but only because they scored more points".
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Don't be mad.

All I am saying is that under French and Austrian and other country's election laws, a president without an absolute majority of votes (like Trump now at 49.8%) is not a legitimate president.

He does not have an absolute majority of the 153 million voters. That's 153.000.000 people.

He only has a majority in the artificial electoral college body of 538 people.

In our systems, Trump and Harris would now be campaigning for a runoff election. Which I think is the better option, because it resembles the will of the voters more than an artificial body of 538 people.
 
The electoral college should really be abolished.

This election has once again shown that a candidate (Trump) can win heavily in the electoral college (which is slanted and biased in favour of small Trump-voting states) --- but lose the national popular vote.

The electoral college is therefore extremely unfair and biased towards rural-Trump-voting states.

Trump below 50% among 153 million voters (49.8%) makes his win in the electoral college bitter and he's now kinda an illegitimate president.

In a good system like ours, he would now have to face Harris again in a runoff election.

If he beats her there again, OK.

If Harris wins the runoff election, she'd be the legitimate president.
 
The AP is still showing Trump at 50.1% nationwide. Link
After all of the ballots are counted nationwide, Trump should be below 50% in the popular vote.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Why not?
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Of course you can be mad.

But I'm just saying that most countries have no electoral college and elect presidents by popular vote and require runoffs if no candidate reaches 50%.

I'm just saying that Trump would not be president now in most other countries that are a democracy, because he's fallen below 50% with actual voters.
 
Brack said:
The AP is still showing Trump at 50.1% nationwide. Link
After all of the ballots are counted nationwide, Trump should be below 50% in the popular vote.
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The AP is part of the lazy media, which does not tally so-called "write-in"-votes, which are almost 400.000 votes in the various states.

If you add these write-in-votes, the percentages of Trump and Harris get lower slightly ... to the point that Trump has now just 49.9% among national voters.
 
Tender Branson said:
Of course you can be mad.

But I'm just saying that most countries have no electoral college and elect presidents by popular vote and require runoffs if no candidate reaches 50%.

I'm just saying that Trump would not be president now in most other countries that are a democracy, because he's fallen below 50% with actual voters.
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Most countries are not, to my knowledge, a confederation of states wherein each state is to have an equal voice to all others.
 
Tender Branson said:
Of course you can be mad.

But I'm just saying that most countries have no electoral college and elect presidents by popular vote and require runoffs if no candidate reaches 50%.

I'm just saying that Trump would not be president now in most other countries that are a democracy, because he's fallen below 50% with actual voters.
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It's funny watching people melt down over Trump's decisive and clear cut victory.

Keep me entertained...
 
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