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Trump has not committed a felony (this time)

Rawley said:
Really? Do you use lawyers at all? Say your lawyer settles a case for you paying the other side $50,000. She tacks on the $50,000 to her bill. In your own accounting records, you are not goling to lump that all together as "legal fees" Really? Further you have to falsify the records with the indent to defraud someone. THIs typically occurs when someone submits a false claim for insurance or otherwise lies on some form/application. Who was Trump trying to defraud?
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the state taxing authority...and the people of NY
 
Rawley said:
Sue me. She's a whore that demanded money to keep her mouth shut. You don't like the word extortion, call it what you want.
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if she is a whore what does that make Trump? She wasn't married and had no obligation to not sleep with someone...Trump had a wife and newborn at home...
 
jnug said:
Your speculating over NOTHING again. This time we have the GJ Indictment and your still speculating this time about why Bragg brought these charges in the manner that he brought them. IT DOES NOT MATTER. The GJ Indicted. Bragg has to make his case and unless you are on the defense team, you won't have anything to do with Trump's defense.


Don't you get it? You just don't want to listen. Barr squashed the SDNY case and left Cohen hung out to dry. Barr told Cy Vance, Manhattan DA to stand down, to discontinue pursuing their case BEFORE squashing SDNY's case. You would have to be OUT OF YOUR MIND with what Garland has on his plate to suggest with any credibility that Garland while trying to restore some luster to DOJ after Trump and Barr had tarnished it so thoroughly would have opened up the Hush Money can of worms. Why....so you and your mates can continue to whine about a corrupt DOJ? Sorry Garland is smarter than you and your mates combined.

NOPE Garland is pursing Trump or have you not been following along.
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If they felt they had Trump on a federal campaign finance violation back in 2021 team Biden would almost certainly have prosecuted him when they had the chance. They didn’t; fact, not opinion, and there’s really nothing your uppercase letters can do to change that.
 
Visbek said:
Yeah, it's not like it's been all over the news....


I think that it's hilarious to imagine that Trump would want, let alone benefit from, a bench trial.

It's also rather insulting to assume that a jury would be incapable of understanding the concepts.
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That’s nice.
 
32 Felony "indications"! Is this a record for a washed up ex-President?
 
Visbek said:
That doesn't matter. Trump isn't being charged with campaign finance violations, all of the charges are from falsifying business records. That's an NY state crime.

This is hardly the first time that the cover-up is worse than the original crime.
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Well, after claiming a jury would understand the complexity of this case your next post demonstrated that you do not. Without the alleged intent to commit the felony of a campaign finance violation, the NY “state crime” is only a misdemeanor.
 
BrotherFease said:
I had to break it to you, but Trump is going to found guilty here. Falsifying documents and setting up shell corporations is illegal. Period. End of story. The Hush payment were made because he was running for President. Melania knows very well he's not a faithful guy. But I would be surprised if the penalties will be substantive. His supporters will probably pay for any penalties.
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Well see, but it’s clear you don’t understand this case.
 
NatMorton said:
Well see, but it’s clear you don’t understand this case.
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Lol thats rich coming from a guy who proclaimed Trumps innocence before he knew what the charges were or seen any of the evidence
 
Quag said:
Lol thats rich coming from a guy who proclaimed Trumps innocence before he knew what the charges were or seen any of the evidence
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Nobody has even seen the crime that supposedly occurred.
Bragg didn't say what it was.
 
BTW, earlier in this thread I mentioned that the likely purpose of this case was for it to be in news during the 2024 election, keeping the media focus on Trump’s alleged crimes and away from Joe Biden’s record and his cognitive fitness for office. Several here said that was ridiculous, and that the Democrats, ever committed to justice free of political influence, really wanted a speedy verdict.

Well, I just read that Trump’s next appearance in court on this matter will be in December, i.e. not for another 8 months and, curiously enough, just a month or two before the Iowa caucuses.

It’s said that justice takes time, and sometimes, it takes a politically convenient amount of time.
 
Galactic Spin said:
Except for when he did, in the statement of facts attached to the indictment.
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From the below article:

The indictment itself is unclear about what other crime or crimes Trump is alleged to have had the “intent to commit”—or to have “aid[ed] or conceal[ed]” the commission of—when he falsified the business records in question. Each count in the indictment simply restates that Trump acted with the “intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof[,]” while the associated statement of facts doesn’t identify any specific violations.

In his press conference following Trump’s arraignment, Bragg explained that New York state law does not require that his office identify the specific underlying offenses in the indictment.

www.lawfareblog.com

And So It Begins: On the First Charges to Drop Against Former President Donald Trump

The New York indictment of Donald Trump is just the start.
www.lawfareblog.com www.lawfareblog.com
 
Manc Skipper said:
32 Felony "indications"! Is this a record for a washed up ex-President?
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No, it’s more like the sign of a desperate DA. It’s the same charge over and over, one for each false entry in the Trump Organization’s books.
 
NatMorton said:
BTW, earlier in this thread I mentioned that the likely purpose of this case was for it to be in news during the 2024 election, keeping the media focus on Trump’s alleged crimes and away from Joe Biden’s record and his cognitive fitness for office. Several here said that was ridiculous, and that the Democrats, ever committed to justice free of political influence, really wanted a speedy verdict.

Well, I just read that Trump’s next appearance in court on this matter will be in December, i.e. not for another 8 months and, curiously enough, just a month or two before the Iowa caucuses.

It’s said that justice takes time, and sometimes, it takes a politically convenient amount of time.
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Yes trials in state court do take more time than those in the federal court system. Bragg will use the time well. Expect superseding Indictments.

And then there is:
- NY's civil case v Donnie
- the rape case v Donnie
- Fulton County GA, case v Donnie
- the Federal Documents case v Donnie
- The J6 case v Donnie
 
jnug said:
Yes trials in state court do take more time than those in the federal court system. Bragg will use the time well. Expect superseding Indictments.

And then there is:
- NY's civil case v Donnie
- the rape case v Donnie
- Fulton County GA, case v Donnie
- the Federal Documents case v Donnie
- The J6 case v Donnie
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Sounds like a great campaign strategy.
 
Captain Alvin Ahab’s maniacal pursuit of the great orange whale, Nobby Dick.
 
NatMorton said:
BTW, earlier in this thread I mentioned that the likely purpose of this case was for it to be in news during the 2024 election, keeping the media focus on Trump’s alleged crimes and away from Joe Biden’s record and his cognitive fitness for office.
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Which is a direct accusation of criminal-level corruption. And of ignorance of the grand jury that has accused trump of 34 felonies in a NY court. And of the judge, who has allowed these charges to proceed, thus far.
 
NatMorton said:
Try reading the OP.
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The article by the right winger whose mission is to deregulate campaign finance, and who stridently argues the crimes for which Cohen went to federal prison... aren't crimes?

Yeah, I don't think that has legs. I think the thread has borne that out.
 
NatMorton said:
Sounds like a great campaign strategy.
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I didn't see any efforts from Trump's defense team asking for an earlier hearing date in the transcript from today's arraignment.

Go ahead...what else ya' got!
 
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