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Trump has not committed a felony (this time)

NatMorton said:
The statute of limitations I was mentioned was the campaign finance violation. Without it the NY issue is only a misdemeanor.
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That doesn't matter. Trump isn't being charged with campaign finance violations, all of the charges are from falsifying business records. That's an NY state crime.

This is hardly the first time that the cover-up is worse than the original crime.
 
Donald Trump was under arrest, and, for a time today, he was in police custody.

Boy, that has a nice ring to it. Way overdue, but more is coming and stronger as well.

The Times reports, "Donald Trump conspired to illegally influence the 2016 election through a series of hush money payments designed to silence claims that he feared would be harmful to his candidacy, New York prosecutors said Tuesday in unsealing a historic 34-count felony indictment.

"The charges arose from a series of checks that Trump or his company wrote during the presidential campaign to his lawyer and fixer for his role in making a payment to a porn actor who alleged an extramarital sexual encounter with Trump years earlier.

"The payments were part of “an unlawful plan to identify and suppress negative information that could have undermined his campaign for president,” Assistant District Attorney Christopher Conroy said in court. They were made to “protect his candidacy,” Conroy added.

The arraignment in Manhattan, though largely procedural in nature, was nonetheless the first time in U.S. history that a former president has faced a judge in his own criminal prosecution. The indictment amounts to a remarkable reckoning for Trump after years of investigations into his personal, business and political dealings, unfolding against the backdrop not only of his third campaign for the White House but also against other investigations in Washington and Atlanta that might yet produce even more charges.

Trump, stone-faced and silent as he entered and exited the Manhattan courtroom, said “not guilty” in a firm voice while facing a judge who warned him to refrain from rhetoric that could inflame or cause civil unrest.
 
NatMorton said:
I don’t think there’s much debate he falsified business records. The money he paid to Cohen was not for “legal fees.” It was repayment of a loan.
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Really? Do you use lawyers at all? Say your lawyer settles a case for you paying the other side $50,000. She tacks on the $50,000 to her bill. In your own accounting records, you are not goling to lump that all together as "legal fees" Really? Further you have to falsify the records with the indent to defraud someone. THIs typically occurs when someone submits a false claim for insurance or otherwise lies on some form/application. Who was Trump trying to defraud?
 
Sandy Shanks said:
Donald Trump was under arrest, and, for a time today, he was in police custody.
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A picture is worth a thousand words

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WorldWatcher said:
I love how people use words they don't understand. For example "extortion".

Example #1:
I walk into your store and tell you to pay me $10,000 or I will burn down your store.

Example #2:
The business space next door is for sale. You meet a prospective bury and they tell you they are planning on opening a porn shop and that this would be a great location and they were going to buy it. You offer them $10,000 to NOT buy the space and to open shop somewhere else.

#1 is extortion, #2 isn't.
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No in reference to Daniels she boinked Trump in 2006 while Trump's wife was at home having just given birth to their son and Daniels had already shared the story with the media in 2011. In 2016 Daniels attorny is shopping the story around to various news outlets for a fee. The National Enquirer was acting as an agent for the campaign to get early warning about such stories. They contact Team Trump who then contact Daniels lawyer to make a better offer.

Scenario #1:
Daniels goes to the the FPOTUS and says pay me $150,000 or I will go public.

Scenario #2:
Daniels had already gone public in 2011, she did not approach Team Trump, she was shopping to story elsewhere. Team Trump approaches her to NOT so something she was already in the process of doing.

#1 could be considered extortion, but that isn't what happened so it's not. #2 is what happened and is therefore not extortion.

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Sue me. She's a whore that demanded money to keep her mouth shut. You don't like the word extortion, call it what you want.
 
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BlueTex said:
Who was defrauded in the hundreds of other convictions for the same crime in New York?
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Insurance companies, banks, state agencies ... There has always been a victim of the fraud because fraud is an element of the crime.

To get you started:

www.justsecurity.org

Survey of Past New York Felony Prosecutions for Falsifying Business Records

A survey of years of New York criminal cases, which shows that the prosecution of falsifying business records in first degree is common.
www.justsecurity.org www.justsecurity.org
 
Visbek said:
That doesn't matter. Trump isn't being charged with campaign finance violations, all of the charges are from falsifying business records. That's an NY state crime.

This is hardly the first time that the cover-up is worse than the original crime.
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So what was the crime he was covering up?
 
NatMorton said:
IMO, Trump has not committed a felony here.
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I had to break it to you, but Trump is going to found guilty here. Falsifying documents and setting up shell corporations is illegal. Period. End of story. The Hush payment were made because he was running for President. Melania knows very well he's not a faithful guy. But I would be surprised if the penalties will be substantive. His supporters will probably pay for any penalties.
 
BrotherFease said:
I had to break it to you, but Trump is going to found guilty here. Falsifying documents and setting up shell corporations is illegal. Period. End of story. The Hush payment were made because he was running for President. Melania knows very well he's not a faithful guy. But I would be surprised if the penalties will be substantive. His supporters will probably pay for any penalties.
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As a first time offender, he shouldn't go to jail.

Unless he manages to turn his trial into a crime spree and he and his lawyers waste the court's time.
 
Rawley said:
Sue me. She's a whore that demanded money to keep her mouth shut. You don't like the word extortion, call it what you want.
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How come she's not sitting in court, looking dumb like Grifty?
 
Arlette said:
How come she's not sitting in court, looking dumb like Grifty?
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LOL Ordered to pay "Grifty" $120K today. Not a good day for the whore
 
BrotherFease said:
I had to break it to you, but Trump is going to found guilty here. Falsifying documents and setting up shell corporations is illegal. Period. End of story. The Hush payment were made because he was running for President. Melania knows very well he's not a faithful guy. But I would be surprised if the penalties will be substantive. His supporters will probably pay for any penalties.
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LOL Keep the faith.
 
BrotherFease said:
Slap on the wrist. First-time offender and a cover-up situation.
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Right. He would get a suspended sentence and probation, I would think. Imagine if he got house arrest as his campaign is ramping up. I'm hoping, just because.
 
BrotherFease said:
There's no way Trump comes out unscratched.
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THis is already backfiring on your party. He's raised close to $10M from this stunt. half from first time donors.

Did you read the indictment? It's laughable.
 
Rawley said:
THis is already backfiring on your party. He's raised close to $10M from this stunt. half from first time donors.

Did you read the indictment? It's laughable.
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Which political party am I registered as? Am I a registered Democrats, Republican, or Independent?

And yes, Trump being indicted only benefits his campaign.
 
Rawley said:
LOL Ordered to pay "Grifty" $120K today. Not a good day for the whore
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That's not related to this case. You claimed she extorted Grifty. And that's not the case.
 
Arlette said:
That's not related to this case. You claimed she extorted Grifty. And that's not the case.
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She extorted him. Then she sued him. He cleaned her clock. Judge gave him $120K. Sucks to be Stormy today.
 
Rawley said:
She extorted him. Then she sued him. He cleaned her clock. Judge gave him $120K. Sucks to be Stormy today.
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No she didn't. She never got indicted for anything much less convicted.
 
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