How are you ever going to survive Trump until January 2029?
I find it amusing there are millions and millions of disgruntled voters who must live with the idea such a politician was elected by the majority of the voters and is now the most important leader of the entire world.
Talk about giving the Opposition the middle finger for four years.
I hope they never get to that point.Only 1312 more days left for the entitled butthurts who lost the election.
What I want to know is when do they get started looking inward at their own failure to communicate an intelligent message the voters will buy?
I hope they never get to that point.
The only message they have to their people is:
TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!
Along with finding ways to demean everything he does regardless if it is good for the country.
What a miserable existence.
Or because that's just a monumentally stupid idea. How well has US intervention worked in the Middle East?If Trump is inflaming the fears of Iran and the Mullahs, then he is motivating them to avoid having their entire infrastructure and theocratic system destroyed.
That seems pretty smart to me. Who wants to see their entire region destroyed by Israel and America.
But I don't expect you to agree with me because that would mean you are supporting Trump's strategy.
I hope I have the chance to show you that you were wrong.Or because that's just a monumentally stupid idea. How well has US intervention worked in the Middle East?
Yeah, I don't like this and what it portends. And the last thing I want is for the US to be involved in it.Really? Is he preannouncing a nuclear attack or just yapping on Truth Social. In either case how totally irresponsible of him.
Can you point to a US Middle East military endeavor that's yielded that result?I hope I have the chance to show you that you were wrong.
Better for Israel, America , the Middle East, and the World.
Yes. Israel as a shining example of how a country can grow out of a desert and be the most influential and technologically advanced country in the Middle East.Can you point to a US Middle East military endeavor that's yielded that result?
Let's hope you end up being a fan of successful geopolitics.Yeah, I don't like this and what it portends. And the last thing I want is for the US to be involved in it.
And it's starting to feel more and more like a long shot. What I hope he means is there's intel that it's gonna get bad there and he's just telling people get out. It's not us, but what's not us really?
I'm an old hippie. I am no fan of war.
Yet she's always so certain about her unsubstantiated "knowledge."I don't think she realizes that the B-2 is one of the most sensitive and highly guarded platforms in our arsenal and nobody - not even our closest allies - has access to it. There are quite literally only a handful of them in existence. Foreign military are not even allowed inside the cockpit.
None of those were the products of US military action, so I'll assume you have no examples.Yes. Israel as a shining example of how a country can grow out of a desert and be the most influential and technologically advanced country in the Middle East.
Hopefully, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and the UAE will see the benefits of partnering with such a successful nation once Iran is no longer the center of terrorist threats in the region.
I'm an old hippie. I am no fan of war.
Well I'm following on and there are some interesting doors from this point. There are some deals that may involve a regime change etc. So yeah hopefully we see something positive but man the stakes are high. This is a thing we've been anticipating for for a long time.Let's hope you end up being a fan of successful geopolitics.
Actually he isn't, since he's sending forces to the Middle East to engage in a conflict that another nation started despite his own intel chief stating they do not have nuclear weapons and are not close to obtaining them.You and me both, brother.
Trump has been saying for almost ten years, Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. He's like us, an old hippie rooting for world peace. It is a true blessing to know most of the country agree with Trump on this issue.
No one is rooting for Iran to have nuclear weapons. He was attempting to negotiate then was easily convinced by Netanyahu they had to attack and here we are. That it would be so easy to convince an "old hippie rooting for world peace" this easily makes it sound like maybe he wasn't so peace loving after all.Another reason I voted for Trump. I was a former Democrat as was he, and what kind of peace-loving Democrat with any common sense would be rooting for Iran having a nuclear weapon and be adamantly against Trump for trying to end this madness? Trump has given them a fair warning. More than a fair warning. It's up to them now as to what they want to do. I suggest they choose peace.
Did anyone tell you about what Obama negotiated with Iran while he was in office? Did anyone tell you what Taco did to that agreement?You and me both, brother.
Trump has been saying for almost ten years, Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. He's like us, an old hippie rooting for world peace. It is a true blessing to know most of the country agree with Trump on this issue.
Another reason I voted for Trump. I was a former Democrat as was he, and what kind of peace-loving Democrat with any common sense would be rooting for Iran having a nuclear weapon and be adamantly against Trump for trying to end this madness? Trump has given them a fair warning. More than a fair warning. It's up to them now as to what they want to do. I suggest they choose peace.
My god, they're so clueless.Actually he isn't, since he's sending forces to the Middle East to engage in a conflict that another nation started despite his own intel chief stating they do not have nuclear weapons and are not close to obtaining them.
No one is rooting for Iran to have nuclear weapons. He was attempting to negotiate then was easily convinced by Netanyahu they had to attack and here we are. That it would be so easy to convince an "old hippie rooting for world peace" this easily makes it sound like maybe he wasn't so peace loving after all.
And....there went the covfefe....Well, since the US is the one telling them to evacuate, we obviously will be taking responsibility for providing safe haven to the refugees.
Post #174Iran is a rogue terrorist funding and supporting state. Nuclear weapon in thir hands would e be dangerous for the entier region, not just Israel. ( I nearly added the stupid 'right?' but had enough sense to stay my hand).
This is an interesting point in that the "fix it" part isn't one the US has been any good at since the end of WW2, though that was a very different war than the ones the US has engaged in since then. While the lesson of Iraq and Afghanistan is that trying to fix what you break tends not to end well in regards to "nation building", the consequences of breaking something can sometimes be less than ideal as well. It's why I find regime change a very precarious business.
Risking the lives of US soldiers without some long term solution to the reason for invading doesn't really help sell this kind of venture well to the American people either. The wars people tend to support are those where the objectives and results are clear, and nation building isn't one of those as the two examples you mentioned proved out. In this scenario the stated goal could be to destroy Iran's nuclear capability, but it's clear that would require more than just destroying their facilities. If the US joins Israel on this endeavor then there's the question of what the joint goal is too, because Israel seems keen on eliminating the regime. Lacking a plan for what comes next makes this a really risky proposition.
Easy.Post #174
How do you propose preventing Iran from achieving nuclear weapons?
Be specific. Provide details.
I think few people would actually think the Israelis would actually pull the trigger on Iran. Now that they are doing it, it's more like, "It only makes sense that now was the right time."Well I'm following on and there are some interesting doors from this point. There are some deals that may involve a regime change etc. So yeah hopefully we see something positive but man the stakes are high. This is a thing we've been anticipating for for a long time.
You do understand the U.S. sent heavy naval forces to the Middle East to attack Houthis who were attacking Red Sea shipping and U.S.naval vessels. Houthis are a client of Iran. So, by extension, we are in a war with Iran.Actually he isn't, since he's sending forces to the Middle East to engage in a conflict that another nation started despite his own intel chief stating they do not have nuclear weapons and are not close to obtaining them.
No one is rooting for Iran to have nuclear weapons. He was attempting to negotiate then was easily convinced by Netanyahu they had to attack and here we are. That it would be so easy to convince an "old hippie rooting for world peace" this easily makes it sound like maybe he wasn't so peace loving after all.
(I've read about the scientists/technicians.)Easy.
B2s with ground penetrators. Israel has already hit their knowledge base*, all you have to do now is wreck the gear.
We can do it. The only question is how committed we are - or should be - to this course of action.
* This is a polite way of saying Israel dropped ordinance on the scientists head while they were sleeping.
Why do you ask? Be specific. Provide details.Post #174
How do you propose preventing Iran from achieving nuclear weapons?
Be specific. Provide details.
Point of order: There are no secret sites. Our intel weenies spend an awful lot of time looking at satellite images to watch for massive amounts of earth-moving activities.(I've read about the scientists/technicians.)
There are some questions whether the GBU-54 MOP would be able to take out the most-hardened facilities (or able to do so quickly):
Israel's trying to wipe out Iran's nuke program. It won't be an easy kill.
Iran has many scientists with nuclear expertise and has stored its most critical facilities in bunkers that may be beyond the reach of Israel's bombs.www.businessinsider.com
June 13, 2025
...However, military and nuclear experts say firepower alone won't be enough to completely wipe out Iran's nuclear program....[Iran] has stored its most critical facilities in bunkers buried deep underground.
This makes the facilities particularly challenging targets that, from the air, can only be reached by the largest bunker busters, which Israel lacks, or repeated strikes in the same spots.
Natanz, home to Iran's largest uranium enrichment site, is located several floors underground in the center of the country. The Israel Defense Forces said its airstrikes damaged an underground area of the facility that contains an enrichment hall with centrifuges, electrical rooms, and additional infrastructure.
Satellite imagery captured on Friday revealed what appears to be significant damage at Natanz, but only on the surface.
Iran's other main enrichment site, Fordow, is buried even deeper in the side of a mountain and is the country's most "hardened" facility, said Darya Dolzikova, a senior research fellow for proliferation and nuclear policy at the UK-based Royal United Services Institute think tank.
In comments shared with Business Insider, Dolzikova said Fordow has not been affected by the Israeli strikes, nor have other locations. "Should Iran make a decision to produce a nuclear weapon, it would likely do that at hardened and potentially still secret sites," she said....
The likely best weapon for the job is the US military's GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator, one of the most powerful non-nuclear bombs and the largest bunker buster in America's arsenal at 15 tons. These munitions can only be carried by the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber and the B-21 Raider in development.
Israel doesn't have bomber aircraft capable of carrying the largest bunker-buster munitions. The IDF shared footage showing its fighter jets — F-35s, F-16s, and F-15s — taking off and landing during the strikes. Weapons experts pointed out that some of the aircraft appear to be carrying 2,000-pound guided bombs. Israel's F-15I, though, can carry 4,000-pound anti-bunker bombs.
Military analysts with RUSI estimated in March that the Fordow site could be as deep as 260 feet underground, likely beyond the reach of even America's MOP. Damaging it would almost certainly require repeated strikes, likely over days or weeks....
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