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Trump doesn't challenge anti-Muslim questioner at event [#:460]

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You said:

"Whats even more interesting.....is why no one can find this guy. Nor why the MS Media hasn't come up with a name. Yet want to let the Demos Preach. Despite not being in much good practice."

Everyone can see you are implying a conspiracy theory against Trump and his supporters.

But keep pretending you are too clever for me and others. At least it is a free fantasy.



And the guys name is what, again? What did you say he did for a living?

That sounds like mostly common questions looking for a common answer. If you thought there was some conspiracy theory. Then.....I would have to say. You don't need to worry about anything that's clever.

Start with the basics then work your way up. Just sayin.
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Crickets.

How can this be politely explained? If you fail to grasp the basic ethics and professionalism that dictate you defend principles regardless of the personal target you are either being obtuse or stubborn.
 
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How can this be politely explained? If you fail to grasp the basic ethics and professionalism that dictate you defend principles regardless of the personal target you are either being obtuse or stubborn.

No, I see no "basic ethics and professionalism" that Trump violated. Perhaps it's in your mind only.

Well I can't see very well what's in your mind, so all I'm doing is asking for you to elaborate these supposed violations of "basic ethics and professionalism" that you accuse Trump of.

Is that too much to ask for?

Frankly, I see this as little more faux outrage against Trump for not responding like an Obama supporter would, which of course he's not, so why expect him to react that way?

It's a non-sequitur to expect that as far as I'm concerned.

But none the less, I'm willing to give you and your perspective a hearing, as it were.
 
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No, I see no "basic ethics and professionalism" that Trump violated. Perhaps it's in your mind only.

Well I can't see very well what's in your mind, so all I'm doing is asking for you to elaborate these supposed violations of "basic ethics and professionalism" that you accuse Trump of.

Is that too much to ask for?

Frankly, I see this as little more faux outrage against Trump for not responding like an Obama supporter would, which of course he's not, so why expect him to react that way?

It's a non-sequitur to expect that as far as I'm concerned.

But none the less, I'm willing to give you and your perspective a hearing, as it were.

This is the crux of your issue:

"an Obama supporter would"

It is irrelevant which American was falsely accused of not being an American and I would have the same reaction if someone accused Trump of not being an American. Ive done nothing but criticize Obama even before the 2008 elections because it was obvious he was a sell out using race for political points and maintained the same policies he condemned others for having.

You know exactly what I am talking about but you are hoping for partisan pucking and it is sad.
 
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This is the crux of your issue:

"an Obama supporter would"

It is irrelevant which American was falsely accused of not being an American and I would have the same reaction if someone accused Trump of not being an American. Ive done nothing but criticize Obama even before the 2008 elections because it was obvious he was a sell out using race for political points and maintained the same policies he condemned others for having.

You know exactly what I am talking about but you are hoping for partisan pucking and it is sad.

I'll ignore the baseless ad hominem that you recklessly cast about.

I don't know exactly what you are talking about, so I'm asking you to elaborate and enumerate the "specific basic ethics and professionalism" points that you speak of.

I don't believe that Trump said anything about Obama not being an American. I believe the person asking the question did, and Trump didn't bother to respond to his question with any response of substance, in essence gave the questioner and the question the brush off.

So why are you so mad at Trump?
So why are you so upset about how Trump handled the question and the questioner?
 
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The reason you doubt my level of criticisms towards Obushama is because like many in your circle you have almost no ability to learn any information that does not flow well into your predestined calendar and you make hardliners on ignorance look like warm balls of clay floating through the library of congress.

Everyone should get offended when idiots try to use the term Muslim as interchangeable with terrorism and Im guessing it would be beyond stoopid to try and explain that concept to certain people.

Have a great day.

"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people. "

So far I see a lot of personal insulting here, but what the **** is your point exactly? What is it that makes you think Trump has violated something, a law, rule, what?

The guy ignored an asshole.
 
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No, I see no "basic ethics and professionalism" that Trump violated. Perhaps it's in your mind only.
Well I can't see very well what's in your mind, so all I'm doing is asking for you to elaborate these supposed violations of "basic ethics and professionalism" that you accuse Trump of.
Is that too much to ask for?
Frankly, I see this as little more faux outrage against Trump for not responding like an Obama supporter would, which of course he's not, so why expect him to react that way?

Each side is responsible for policing their own extremes. For a (former?) birther like Trump, he should have responded by correcting the question.

If someone had stood up at an Obama rally and asked him about "The problem in this country - white people!" and he'd nodded sagely and then said he was going to be looking into that, conservatives (rightly) would have attacked him on it.
 
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Each side is responsible for policing their own extremes. For a (former?) birther like Trump, he should have responded by correcting the question.

If someone had stood up at an Obama rally and asked him about "The problem in this country - white people!" and he'd nodded sagely and then said he was going to be looking into that, conservatives (rightly) would have attacked him on it.

I'm not going to take the stand that says that question is a legitimate one. The question of Obama's birth has been settled for a long time already.

In an open forum, as a first question, an off the wall question like this was reasonably handled by Trump. He gave it the minimal attention it deserved and moved on.

Had Trump smacked down the questioner, the participation in his town hall would have collapsed. Had he addressed the question in detail and given it more attention, only more animosity against Trump would have been created.

Trump handled it the only smart and reasonable way to handle it, which is, as I've repeated, given it as little attention as possible and moving on to the next questioner.

I think those that believe that Trump should have smacked down the questioner aren't being very realistic, and have their expectations unrealistically set.

Even with a 'gotcha' question from the media, most public figures (celebrities and politicians alike) will step around it, rather than through it, having it cling to their shoes and get all smelly and nasty.
 
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I'll ignore the baseless ad hominem that you recklessly cast about.

I don't know exactly what you are talking about, so I'm asking you to elaborate and enumerate the "specific basic ethics and professionalism" points that you speak of.

I don't believe that Trump said anything about Obama not being an American. I believe the person asking the question did, and Trump didn't bother to respond to his question with any response of substance, in essence gave the questioner and the question the brush off.

So why are you so mad at Trump?
So why are you so upset about how Trump handled the question and the questioner?


There was no ad hom. An example of that would be for someone to say you:

Gee, you are so insecure and lonely you obsess over the silliest items because your life is pathetic and in dire need of validation but your pudding shoes born of your courage will not let you stand up.

That was an ad hom.

Im not mad directly at Trump or mad at all. It is just embarrassing and no different than when the gay soldier asked the primaries a question about seeking equality in the military and the crowd booed. Aside from the complete moronic bigots who tried to claim they were only booing the question and not the soldier, it was extremely disturbing nobody on the stage said anything like:

"Those in the audience have the right to free speech so we may disagree on specific issues. But we should also agree the main reason you have those rights is because of soldiers like him who have volunteered to defend America."

Have a good day.
 
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There was no ad hom. An example of that would be for someone to say you:

Gee, you are so insecure and lonely you obsess over the silliest items because your life is pathetic and in dire need of validation but your pudding shoes born of your courage will not let you stand up.

That was an ad hom.

Im not mad directly at Trump or mad at all. It is just embarrassing and no different than when the gay soldier asked the primaries a question about seeking equality in the military and the crowd booed. Aside from the complete moronic bigots who tried to claim they were only booing the question and not the soldier, it was extremely disturbing nobody on the stage said anything like:

"Those in the audience have the right to free speech so we may disagree on specific issues. But we should also agree the main reason you have those rights is because of soldiers like him who have volunteered to defend America."

Have a good day.

I thought we were discussing the question the first questioner asked and Trumps response to that question. What's this now?

And still no specifics about some illusionary "specific basic ethics and professionalism" that Trump somehow ran afoul of.

I guess you have nothing to support that. Got it.
 
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I thought we were discussing the question the first questioner asked and Trumps response to that question. What's this now?

And still no specifics about some illusionary "specific basic ethics and professionalism" that Trump somehow ran afoul of.

I guess you have nothing to support that. Got it.


Yep, that must be it. You are 100% right and I am 100% wrong.

Have a great day.
 
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Yep, that must be it. You are 100% right and I am 100% wrong.

Have a great day.

Seems to be so. You have a nice day as well.
 
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I'm not going to take the stand that says that question is a legitimate one. The question of Obama's birth has been settled for a long time already.

Does Trump still think Obama's birth certificate is a fake? He never really answered that, just let it die down.

In an open forum, as a first question, an off the wall question like this was reasonably handled by Trump. He gave it the minimal attention it deserved and moved on.

No, he didn't. He gave a massive, easy opening to Democrats to say that this is what Republicans think, because he didn't act properly by correcting the questioner. His attempt to divert to "I don't need to defend the President" is a sham, and a weak one at that.

Muslims wearing the United States Marine Corps uniform stood next to me in Fallujah and helped to face down our nations enemies. I don't recall seeing Trump there. The man's question didn't say that the problem in America was The President. He said the problem in America was Muslims. It is no different if he'd stood up and asked how we were going to get rid of all the black people, or all the jews.

Had Trump smacked down the questioner, the participation in his town hall would have collapsed.

Wrong. Had Trump smacked down the questioner as only Trump can do, he would have brought the audience to its feet and created a MASSIVE counter-narrative story benefiting his campaign in particular and Republicans in general. Furthermore, he would have been doing the right thing. As opposed to what he did, which was the wrong thing.

Had he addressed the question in detail and given it more attention, only more animosity against Trump would have been created.

If smacking down the notion that "what's wrong with this country is Muslims" creates animosity against you, then you are creating animosity with all the right people.

Trump handled it the only smart and reasonable way to handle it[/qutoe]

Wrong. Trump handled it by implicitly supporting the assumption in the man's question. It was dumb politically and wrong morally.

I think those that believe that Trump should have smacked down the questioner aren't being very realistic, and have their expectations unrealistically set.

What, you mean we are expecting him to have as least as much balls as John McCain? Yeah, agreeably, that standard might be too high for him.
 
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Weeks, just weeks ago they were sneering at Republicans with too many candidates against the inevitable Hilary landslide. This is why I have loved politics these years, today's hero could be either yesterday's bum or tomorrow's felon or even both. The difference between what really happened and public perception of events is always huge, and when pushed becomes carved in concrete; the fans dig in so to speak.

This is why I put little store in polls; anymore they are usually narrow and specific, for instance Hilary's "boost" over Bernie is only of those who are sure to vote in the primary, not the nation. The fans though, see it either as "uh-oh" or "we're winning" when neither is true. Amazingly, with the available information at the click of a mouse, voters make their decisions on extremely limited information.

The last time I saw an anti-establish politician movement anywhere close to this is when Reagan ran for president in 1980. Every economic measure was horrible, and Carter was the same foriegn policy wuss that Obama is.
 
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The majority of terrorist attacks in the US are committed by non Muslim Americans. Here is a link showing 90% of terrorist attacks in the US are NOT caused by Muslims:

Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil Washington's Blog.

You can nitpick over the FBI data but what is clear is Muslims are among the least responsible for terrorist attacks yet people like you ignore the facts for your agendas.

I am not impressed with your blog link. I am mainly concerned with with terrorist attacks that began with the 1993 bombing of one of the WTC Towers. And not every attack on US interests took place on US soil. Since 1993, most of the terrorist attacks worldwide have been carried out by fanatical islamic terrorists. And Less deaths in a single attack on Pearl Harbor then occurred with the fanatical islamic attack in NYC and Washington DC on 9/11/01 led us into World War 2. Perhaps someday you will learn to put things in perspective. Islamic terrorism has been a serious national security threat to the US at least since 1993.
 
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Does Trump still think Obama's birth certificate is a fake? He never really answered that, just let it die down.

As he should. It's really a no win to continue it.

No, he didn't. He gave a massive, easy opening to Democrats to say that this is what Republicans think, because he didn't act properly by correcting the questioner. His attempt to divert to "I don't need to defend the President" is a sham, and a weak one at that.

Politically smart or dumb, I suppose that's arguable, depending on your perspective. But you have to admit that Trump's reaction was pretty much a non-reaction. He neither supported or confirmed that he was of the same position as the questioner. He just moved on the next questioner.

Muslims wearing the United States Marine Corps uniform stood next to me in Fallujah and helped to face down our nations enemies. I don't recall seeing Trump there. The man's question didn't say that the problem in America was The President. He said the problem in America was Muslims. It is no different if he'd stood up and asked how we were going to get rid of all the black people, or all the jews.

And there was no follow up of significance from Trump or anyone else to support that position. Isn't that saying something already?

Wrong. Had Trump smacked down the questioner as only Trump can do, he would have brought the audience to its feet and created a MASSIVE counter-narrative story benefiting his campaign in particular and Republicans in general. Furthermore, he would have been doing the right thing. As opposed to what he did, which was the wrong thing.

Why is it Trump's responsibility or obligation to smack down someone with that position? (Even if it's not the questioner's position or question).

If smacking down the notion that "what's wrong with this country is Muslims" creates animosity against you, then you are creating animosity with all the right people.
I'd have to agree that terrorist training camps in country is a very bad thing. Whether or not it's true, I can't say. I've heard rumors, but haven't trusted the sources, and pretty much liken it to other off the wall conspiracy theories, along with those that say NASA staged the moon landing and that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job.

All that being said, the meat of the questioner's question was about the terrorist training camps that he believed were in country.

Trump handled it the only smart and reasonable way to handle it

Wrong. Trump handled it by implicitly supporting the assumption in the man's question. It was dumb politically and wrong morally.

You have the right to that opinion, the same way that I have a right to the opinion that he handled it pretty well. I'll even go so far as saying that he could have handled it better, but by far not the level of condemnation that you appear to want to dump on him.

What, you mean we are expecting him to have as least as much balls as John McCain? Yeah, agreeably, that standard might be too high for him.

Meh.

Well, suffice it to say that opinions differ on this. Fair enough.

I think this sums it up pretty well and puts it in proper context.


No, I'm not a dyed in the wool Trump supporter.

He's really not spoken about anything substantive to either support or criticize. I'm still waiting for that to happen. Until it does, I'm kinda sitting on the fence with Trump. He needs to deliver better than what he has, and his time is limited to do so. His constant bragging about all the money and deals that he's made are certainly being a tun off for me.

I already said months ago that I don't think Trump want's the nomination, but rather wants to be the king maker for the nominee, to bend the GOP conversation, that he has a beneficial side effect of dragging the establishment GOP to address the issues they don't want to talk about, and wouldn't have talked about had not Trump been successful and pushed them (of course that can only be successful if there's enough traction with the electorate, and there appears to be). Topics which would not have been raised in any sort of significant or substantive way without Trump pushing them. So even a reality TV star has a use, but disappointed that it takes a reality TV star to breech the topics that concern so many, as the establishment GOP wouldn't on their own.
 
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I'll ignore the baseless ad hominem that you recklessly cast about.

I don't know exactly what you are talking about, so I'm asking you to elaborate and enumerate the "specific basic ethics and professionalism" points that you speak of.

I don't believe that Trump said anything about Obama not being an American. I believe the person asking the question did, and Trump didn't bother to respond to his question with any response of substance, in essence gave the questioner and the question the brush off.

So why are you so mad at Trump?
So why are you so upset about how Trump handled the question and the questioner?

Oddly Brischera claims to be a republican....despite how far out of his way he is going to defend Obama against Trump.
 
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Oddly Brischera claims to be a republican....despite how far out of his way he is going to defend Obama against Trump.


You know, there are a lot of "Republicans" who do that.....in here.

This is the internet, as Mr. Lennon said "nothing is real". You know I need to change my whole thing, from now on I'm going to claim I'm a staunch libeal.

Wait, I am a staunch liberal
 
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You know, there are a lot of "Republicans" who do that.....in here.

This is the internet, as Mr. Lennon said "nothing is real". You know I need to change my whole thing, from now on I'm going to claim I'm a staunch libeal.

Wait, I am a staunch liberal

Meh. What's in a label? Either you stand for maximum personal liberty, or you don't. The rest is just horse ****, what ever name the media munchkins and the talking heads give it.
 
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You know, there are a lot of "Republicans" who do that.....in here.

This is the internet, as Mr. Lennon said "nothing is real". You know I need to change my whole thing, from now on I'm going to claim I'm a staunch libeal.

Wait, I am a staunch liberal

I'd only ask that you also specify that you are a Canadian Liberal, which is vastly different to the species of Liberal that we have here in the US. :mrgreen:
 
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I'd only ask that you also specify that you are a Canadian Liberal, which is vastly different to the species of Liberal that we have here in the US. :mrgreen:

I'm curious as to why that Canadian liberal buys into every right-wing lie about American liberals.
 
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I'm curious as to why that Canadian liberal buys into every right-wing lie about American liberals.

Kobie, you're asking the wrong person. :)
 
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As he should. It's really a no win to continue it.

On the contrary - it's an easy layup victory for anyone who actually knows WTF they are doing, and actually has ideas.

Politically smart or dumb, I suppose that's arguable, depending on your perspective.

That of someone who wants to win, and wants to win right.

But you have to admit that Trump's reaction was pretty much a non-reaction. He neither supported or confirmed that he was of the same position as the questioner.

On the contrary - he was agreeable with the questioner, said he was going to be looking into those kinds of issues, and then moved on. Which means that he implicitly just validated that idiot's spewage on tape.

And there was no follow up of significance from Trump or anyone else to support that position. Isn't that saying something already?

Yeah. It says Trump isn't ready for presidential level politics.

Why is it Trump's responsibility or obligation to smack down someone with that position? (Even if it's not the questioner's position or question).

Because that individual put that position to him in the context of asking him what he was going to do about it, and instead of correcting it, Trump went with it. Trump insulted every Muslim Marine I ever served with, whose boots he is not fit to ****ing shine.

I'd have to agree that terrorist training camps in country is a very bad thing. Whether or not it's true, I can't say. I've heard rumors, but haven't trusted the sources, and pretty much liken it to other off the wall conspiracy theories, along with those that say NASA staged the moon landing and that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job.

All that being said, the meat of the questioner's question was about the terrorist training camps that he believed were in country.

The man said that the problem with this country was called "Muslims". He didn't say there's a problem in this country and it's called lack of adequate collection against domestic paramilitary training facilities. He said "Muslims".

You have the right to that opinion, the same way that I have a right to the opinion that he handled it pretty well

Sure. And you are wrong, and I am right, and the fact that the liberal media was absolutely ****ing delighted that he handled it the way he did proves that I am right.

You know how to tell when you have done something incredibly stupid and self-destructive? When your enemies are celebrating, that's a sign.


Not Meh. Even John McCain showed greater political balls than Trump, in that he was actually willing to challenge one of his own supporters when that individual went overboard like this.

I already said months ago that I don't think Trump want's the nomination, but rather wants to be the king maker for the nominee

I think that could be correct. I also think he is a thin-skinned narcissist who likes being the center of attention on TV.

he has a beneficial side effect of dragging the establishment GOP to address the issues they don't want to talk about, and wouldn't have talked about had not Trump been successful and pushed them

:lol: Walker and the others were talking about immigration well before Trump decided to jump into the race.

Topics which would not have been raised in any sort of significant or substantive way without Trump pushing them.

:lol: yeah. Like the importance of the candidate not having an ugly face, or the how blood coming from everywhere doesn't mean anywhere in particular. You know, those really deep issues of substance.
 
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I'm starting to get the feeling that cpwill doesn't particularly care for Donald Trump.
 
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