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[Master PO]

When in 1917 the Congress declared war it acted after Potus Woodrow Wilson urged the USA to make the world "safe for democracy." Wilson knew he was referring to a type of government, not to a form of government.

To wit:


As a "type" of government, [democracy] means that generally free elections are held periodically, which America has. But, as a "form" of government, it means rule by the majority, which America does not have; America is a republic.

Webster`s 1828 dictionary states that a Republic is: "A commonwealth; a state in which the exercise of the sovereign power is lodged in representatives elected by the people. In modern usage [1828], it differs from a democracy or democratic state, in which the people exercise the powers of sovereignty in person…"1 In a democratic form of government, the populace votes on all matters that affect them, and do not elect others to represent their interests.

Therefore, a majority-rules direct democracy gives unlimited power to the majority with no protection of the individual's God-given inalienable rights or the rights of minority groups. In contrast, in a Republic, the power of the majority is limited by a written constitution which safeguards the God-given inalienable rights of minority groups and individuals alike.

Founding Fathers Article: Democracy or Republic?


The form of government created by the Founders is a republic. The type of government created by the founders is democracy. Further, a liberal democracy via the Bill of Rights per se.

Rights. The Bill of Rights = Liberal Democracy.

The rights of the individual versus the state. The rights of the collective versus the state.

The Bill of Rights limited the federal government, yes. That however is not all the Bill of Rights did do. Bill of Rights concomitantly and significantly recognized the rights of the individual verses the government, and of the collective versus the government. That is called liberal democracy. You in contrast, being a self-identified "Anti-democracy advocate" haven't any clue. Hopelessly so.

You see rather only a republic with no democracy, much less a liberal democracy. Your bent as a self-identified "Anti-democracy advocate" is to prove the Founders created the USA with no intention of it being, or acquiring, democracy as a type of government, society, culture, civilization. Consequently, you the self-described "Master" resist all evidence and proof to the contrary while cherrypicking your quotes after reading the Federalist Papers and other documents with a bent purpose and design.

America was not created a democracy but a mixed government, but with the 17th amendment to the constitution in 1913 America moved closer to democracy.

america in the time of the founders was not a democracy, because only certain people could vote, the population as a whole did not vote.

the senate of the federal government was not elected by the people until the 20th century and the president is still not elected by the people but by electors of the EC.

 

[Tangmo]

America was not created a democracy but a mixed government, but with the 17th amendment to the constitution in 1913 America moved closer to democracy.

america in the time of the founders was not a democracy, because only certain people could vote, the population as a whole did not vote.

the senate of the federal government was not elected by the people until the 20th century and the president is still not elected by the people but by electors of the EC.

The first sentence is accurate...USA was created as a Republic. Being a republic guarantees one thing and one thing only, i.e., no monarchy. That's it. After that, there can be the People's Republic of China, the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Republic of France, the Federal Republic of Germany, the Czech Republic, the Republic of Korea (South Korea), the People's Democratic Republic of Korea (North Korea), the Republic of Singapore etc etc.

As to the USA, no document identifies the USA as a republic or a democracy. Not the Declaration of Independence, not the Articles of Confederation, not the Constitution, not the Bill of Rights to the Constitution. Significantly, there is universal common recognition and agreement the USA is a Republic in its form of government and is democratic and a democracy in its style of governance.

USA as a republic has democracy both direct and indirect. The style of democracy in USA is overwhelmingly direct democracy, i.e. Americans vote, we count the votes, the person with the most votes wins. There is some indirect democracy, the single principal element of which is the Electoral College. Initially, state legislators elected directly by the people used to choose U.S. Senators from the state. We know however the 17th Amendment adopted by 2/3 of the Congress and 3/4 of the states provided for direct election of U.S. Senators in each state.

However, self identified "anti-democracy advocates" manage to walk through this landscape oblivious to it. They instead cherrypick with the design to destroy the trees and the landscape itself. And they want to point at us as the perps.

 

[Tangmo]

America was not created a democracy but a mixed government, but with the 17th amendment to the constitution in 1913 America moved closer to democracy.

america in the time of the founders was not a democracy, because only certain people could vote, the population as a whole did not vote.

the senate of the federal government was not elected by the people until the 20th century and the president is still not elected by the people but by electors of the EC.

The second sentence is off. It is off because the population at the time of the Founders and since does vote. There is in each state the direct election of the governor and of designated constitutional office holders since 1789 to the present. This includes direct election of major state constitutional offices of the executive branch and of the entirety of the bicameral legislatures. A number of states elect their judges (directly). There has been and continues to be the direct election of the U.S. House of Representatives from each state. All of this is called representative government by means of direct elections.

The single quick reference word for all of this is democracy. This direct democracy character of government in the USA is profound and extensive -- so much so that it is definitive of the USA as having a democratic type, style, means and manner of government.

The major point you are missing as a self-identified "Anti-democracy advocate" is that in the United States of America the state is the basic unit of government. Each and every state has direct democracy in its self-governance. The significant point is that each state says who can be Potus and VPotus. Add up which states vote for whom and we have our President.

The states met in convention to write and then ratify the Constitution which created a federal government (out of the Articles of Confederation). Anyone who denies, rejects or fails to recognize that in the USA the state is the basic unit of government has no clue about the nature of the USA, its form of government, its type of governance or -- most importantly -- the nature of its people, culture, society, civilization. Or of the global appeal or attraction of the USA.

Rather, self proclaimed anti-democracy advocates hate and detest the United States of America and are determined to campaign to discredit then to destroy it. That is, people who think they are Masters of the universe. The 5000 year old elites who have given us the history of ages past characterized by unenlightened shadows cast. Democracy is a recent mode of governance which stands in contrast to the thousands of years of the absolute rule by warlords, emperors, conquerors, dictators, monarchs, empires -- all of which are based on corruption of every kind.

 

[Master PO]

The first sentence is accurate...USA was created as a Republic. Being a republic guarantees one thing and one thing only, i.e., no monarchy. That's it. After that, there can be the People's Republic of China, the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Republic of France, the Federal Republic of Germany, the Czech Republic, the Republic of Korea (South Korea), the People's Democratic Republic of Korea (North Korea), the Republic of Singapore etc etc.

As to the USA, no document identifies the USA as a republic or a democracy. Not the Declaration of Independence, not the Articles of Confederation, not the Constitution, not the Bill of Rights to the Constitution. Significantly, there is universal common recognition and agreement the USA is a Republic in its form of government and is democratic and a democracy in its style of governance.

USA as a republic has democracy both direct and indirect. The style of democracy in USA is overwhelmingly direct democracy, i.e. Americans vote, we count the votes, the person with the most votes wins. There is some indirect democracy, the single principal element of which is the Electoral College. Initially, state legislators elected directly by the people used to choose U.S. Senators from the state. We know however the 17th Amendment adopted by 2/3 of the Congress and 3/4 of the states provided for direct election of U.S. Senators in each state.

However, self identified "anti-democracy advocates" manage to walk through this landscape oblivious to it. They instead cherrypick with the design to destroy the trees and the landscape itself. And they want to point at us as the perps.

America was not created a democracy but a mixed government,

america in the time of the founders was not a democracy, because only certain people could vote, the population as a whole did not vote.

the senate of the federal government was not elected by the people until the 20th century and the president is still not elected by the people but by electors of the EC.

these are facts

 

[Tangmo]

America was not created a democracy but a mixed government,

america in the time of the founders was not a democracy, because only certain people could vote, the population as a whole did not vote.

the senate of the federal government was not elected by the people until the 20th century and the president is still not elected by the people but by electors of the EC.

these are facts

Rather than rinse and repeat let's try something new or at the least a bit different.

The facts are people in the United States have voted since day one. They suffered for several decades before the War of Independence and they suffered dearly during it. To become voters.

You as a self proclaimed "Anti-democracy advocate" are rejected by the people of the United States in your values, attitude, purposes and ends. USA is and has indeed been a liberal democracy since Madison's Bill of Rights.


Most of the representative democracies of the world consider themselves to be liberal democracies. This is because they value the needs of their individual citizens more than that of the entire state. This is why in countries like India and the USA, it is difficult to proclaim a state of emergency.

Erdogan, the leader of Turkey, announces a state of emergency. Needless to say, the international community was not amused. Necessary to say, Donald Trump and Stephen Bannon were encouraged and indeed uplifted.


Some states, however, feel constantly threatened by outsiders or civil unrest. These states, such as Israel and South Korea, prefer a defensive democracy over a liberal one. This is done so that the government can marshal an army at a moment’s notice.

There are also a number of other less liberal forms of democracy – from those that are almost liberal in nature to those that are just shy of being dictatorships. One classic example of such a flawed [almost liberal] model of democracy is the Republic of Singapore.

https://www.scienceabc.com/social-s...epresentative-presidential-parliamentary.html


The People's Republic of China is an authoritarian state fully owned and operated by a single party, the Chinese Communist Party. CCP and its state have zero intention to wither away. The population must obey or suffer dire consequences. Any Master of anything would know that. This is in contrast to the USA which has always had popular voting. So there is no surprise to your fiercely absolute determination to do this until I get it right.

 

[Master PO]

Rather than rinse and repeat let's try something new or at the least a bit different.

The facts are people in the United States have voted since day one. They suffered for several decades before the War of Independence and they suffered dearly during it. To become voters.

You as a self proclaimed "Anti-democracy advocate" are rejected by the people of the United States in your values, attitude, purposes and ends. USA is and has indeed been a liberal democracy since Madison's Bill of Rights.


Most of the representative democracies of the world consider themselves to be liberal democracies. This is because they value the needs of their individual citizens more than that of the entire state. This is why in countries like India and the USA, it is difficult to proclaim a state of emergency.

Erdogan, the leader of Turkey, announces a state of emergency. Needless to say, the international community was not amused. Necessary to say, Donald Trump and Stephen Bannon were encouraged and indeed uplifted.


Some states, however, feel constantly threatened by outsiders or civil unrest. These states, such as Israel and South Korea, prefer a defensive democracy over a liberal one. This is done so that the government can marshal an army at a moment’s notice.

There are also a number of other less liberal forms of democracy – from those that are almost liberal in nature to those that are just shy of being dictatorships. One classic example of such a flawed [almost liberal] model of democracy is the Republic of Singapore.

https://www.scienceabc.com/social-s...epresentative-presidential-parliamentary.html


The People's Republic of China is an authoritarian state fully owned and operated by a single party, the Chinese Communist Party. CCP and its state have zero intention to wither away. The population must obey or suffer dire consequences. Any Master of anything would know that. This is in contrast to the USA which has always had popular voting. So there is no surprise to your fiercely absolute determination to do this until I get it right.

china?:doh

 

[Tangmo]

America was not created a democracy but a mixed government,

america in the time of the founders was not a democracy, because only certain people could vote, the population as a whole did not vote.

the senate of the federal government was not elected by the people until the 20th century and the president is still not elected by the people but by electors of the EC.

these are facts

Again, instead of yet more rinse and repeat of your facts, how you choose your facts and how and why you present your facts as you like them, let's lookit this...

How does the state in the USA -- all 50 of 'em -- fit into your anti-democracy views of the USA not having a democratic style of government. You do concede of course the USA is and always has been a representative democracy. A republic.

Moreover, the state is the basic unit of government in the United States of America. You do know this and you acknowledge both it and its meaning and significance, yes? (One should be so optimistic!)

Or are we in the USA wrong again and wrong again from the outset, i.e., 1789 in what we did, know, believe? The states choose Potus-VPotus for instance...and by popular vote besides in each state. Directly elected representatives in the state legislatures originally voted to choose U.S. Senators.

We in USA have been voting since day one. We earned it in the old fashioned way, i.e., throw the bums out. Off our continent in fact.

 

[Master PO]

Again, instead of yet more rinse and repeat of your facts, how you choose your facts and how and why you present your facts as you like them, let's lookit this...

How does the state in the USA -- all 50 of 'em -- fit into your anti-democracy views of the USA not having a democratic style of government. You do concede of course the USA is and always has been a representative democracy. A republic.

Moreover, the state is the basic unit of government in the United States of America. You do know this and you acknowledge both it and its meaning and significance, yes? (One should be so optimistic!)

Or are we in the USA wrong again and wrong again from the outset, i.e., 1789 in what we did, know, believe? The states choose Potus-VPotus for instance...and by popular vote besides in each state. Directly elected representatives in the state legislatures originally voted to choose U.S. Senators.

We in USA have been voting since day one. We earned it in the old fashioned way, i.e., throw the bums out. Off our continent in fact.

i have told and provided to from Madison himself that the u.s. was founded a mixed government, at no time,have you with your claim of Madison creating a democracy have you provided anything from him proving that.

 

[Tangmo]

i have told and provided to from Madison himself that the u.s. was founded a mixed government, at no time,have you with your claim of Madison creating a democracy have you provided anything from him proving that.

I have pointed out and cited extensively throughout my million posts to your millions of posts that Madison wrote the Bill of Rights, advocated the Bill of Rights, shepherded the Bill of Rights through the adoption of amendments process in the Congress and in the states.

Madison is the author-father of the Bill of Rights. So again and again, I have pointed out, mentioned and dwelled on the fact the Bill of Rights established liberal democracy in the United States. And that the United States since 1789 has had popular democracy in each state, in addition to it having had popular democracy under the Articles of Confederation that preceded the Constitution.

It is more than obvious that there are many things about democracy that are well beyond any self-described "Anti-democracy advocate" and Master of Whatever.

 

[Master PO]

I have pointed out and cited extensively throughout my million posts to your millions of posts that Madison wrote the Bill of Rights, advocated the Bill of Rights, shepherded the Bill of Rights through the adoption of amendments process in the Congress and in the states.

Madison is the author-father of the Bill of Rights. So again and again, I have pointed out, mentioned and dwelled on the fact the Bill of Rights established liberal democracy in the United States. And that the United States since 1789 has had popular democracy in each state, in addition to it having had popular democracy under the Articles of Confederation that preceded the Constitution.

It is more than obvious that there are many things about democracy that are well beyond any self-described "Anti-democracy advocate" and Master of Whatever.

you pointed to nothing, when you tired to tie Madison to democracy, Madison's firmly set against a democrat form of government in his writings of federalist #10

 

[devildavid]

you pointed to nothing, when you tired to tie Madison to democracy, Madison's firmly set against a democrat form of government in his writings of federalist #10

Madison was advocating for representative democracy, which is still a form of democracy. Federalist #10 was his attempt to argue in favor of the new Constitution, which would give more power to the federal government. It was addressed to the people of the state of New York, who prior to the constitution had what could be seen as more of a direct democracy. They decided for themselves in matters of their own state, without interference from the central government. His argument was that these small direct democracies could become factious, and this tramples on the minority. Only a strong central government composed of elected representatives from these states could prevent this from happening. He was arguing that the larger central government was better than smaller, more direct governments because it removes the cause of factious feelings getting inflamed. He was a big government advocate. But he was also democratic as well, as long as it was in the form of a representative republic. He did not want direct voting by the people on every issue, which is a pure or direct democracy. When we use the word democracy today, that is what we are referring to. We are a democratic republic.

 

[Master PO]

Madison was advocating for representative democracy, which is still a form of democracy. Federalist #10 was his attempt to argue in favor of the new Constitution, which would give more power to the federal government. It was addressed to the people of the state of New York, who prior to the constitution had what could be seen as more of a direct democracy. They decided for themselves in matters of their own state, without interference from the central government. His argument was that these small direct democracies could become factious, and this tramples on the minority. Only a strong central government composed of elected representatives from these states could prevent this from happening. He was arguing that the larger central government was better than smaller, more direct governments because it removes the cause of factious feelings getting inflamed. He was a big government advocate. But he was also democratic as well, as long as it was in the form of a representative republic. He did not want direct voting by the people on every issue, which is a pure or direct democracy. When we use the word democracy today, that is what we are referring to. We are a democratic republic.

Madison is federalist 10 states America will have a republican form of government, democracy is democrat form of government.

in American government of the founders, the senate is a non democratic vote and so is the vote for president.

the people as a whole cannot vote, only those who own property and pay taxes.

america was created a mixed government on the roman model and rome was not a democracy

 

[Tangmo]

you pointed to nothing, when you tired to tie Madison to democracy, Madison's firmly set against a democrat form of government in his writings of federalist #10

The state is the basic and fundamental unit of government in the United States.

The states in convention created the United States. The states could abolish the federal government tomorrow if they wanted to do that.

Your reply is....

 

[Tangmo]

china?:doh

Yes Master PO, China.

Currently known as the People's Republic of China.

Under the rule of the Chinese Communist Party Dynasty.

It too shall pass as all China dynasties do invariably fail.

Madison ignored you. As did all the Founders.

 

[Master PO]

The state is the basic and fundamental unit of government in the United States.

The states in convention created the United States. The states could abolish the federal government tomorrow if they wanted to do that.

Your reply is....

what does this have to do with what i said?..nothing

 

[Master PO]

Yes Master PO, China.

Currently known as the People's Republic of China.

Under the rule of the Chinese Communist Party Dynasty.

It too shall pass as all China dynasties do invariably fail.

Madison ignored you. As did all the Founders.

i dont think you really KNOW WHO MASTER PO is?

 

[Tangmo]

what does this have to do with what i said?..nothing

You know nothing. In fact, you know more about nothing than any other who claims to know and understand the United States.

The state as the basic unit of government in the United States created the liberal democracy that the USA is and always has been. The states had liberal democracy before there was a Constitution. Madison wrote into the Constitution the Bill of Rights assembled from the constitutions of the states as the states had begun to write them before the Declaration of Independence.

Indeed, as early as May 10, 1776, Congress passed a resolution advising the colonies to form new governments "such as shall best conduce to the happiness and safety of their constituents." As I note, some states had already done this. Within a year after the Declaration of Independence, every state but three had already drawn up a new constitution.


The states as the basic unit of government in the United States initiated liberal democracy, which Madison championed in his own Virginia and in the Constitution of the United States....


Writing these documents [state constitutions] provided a splendid opportunity for the democratic elements to remedy their grievances and to realize their ambitions for sound government. And most of the resulting constitutions showed the impact of democratic ideas, built as they were by Americans on the solid foundation of colonial experience, English practice, and French political philosophy.

Indeed, it was actually in the drafting of these state constitutions that the revolution was accomplished. Naturally, the first object of the framers was to secure those "unalienable rights," the violation of 'which had caused them to repudiate their connection with England. Consequently, each constitution began with a declaration or bill of rights, and Virginia's, which served as a model for all the others, included a declaration of principles such as popular sovereignty, rotation in office, freedom of elections, and an enumeration of the fundamental liberties -moderate bail and humane punishments, a militia instead of a standing army, speedy trials by the law of the land, trial by jury, freedom of the press, of conscience, of the right of a majority to reform or, alter the government, and prohibition of general warrants. Other states considerably enlarged this list to include freedom of speech, of assemblage, of petition, of bearing arms, the right to a writ of habeas corpus, inviolability of domicile, and equal operation of the laws. In addition, all the state constitutions paid allegiance to the theory of executive, legislative, and judiciary branches, each one to be checked and balanced by the others.


The Formation of a National Government < History 1954 < American History From Revolution To Reconstruction and beyond



The states from their first day practiced direct election of every office in each state. Elected state legislatures elected U.S. Senators. Voters of the states elected the electors of the Electoral College. The only actual limitation to direct representative democracy was in eligibility, that only owners of property could vote. And it was a limitation only. It was not a negation of democracy whether passive or active, nor did the limited eligibility nullify or reject democracy in the new republic. The limitation more reflected the time, which was early in the creation of a representative democracy combination of government and governance.

What you understand as mixed government is rather a reference to James Madison himself. Madison spent the first half of his life a federalist, yet he spend the latter years a state's rights man. Madison, not the government, was mixed. The federal Constitution derived from the states directly and it incorporated the constitutions of the states as its contents. The states elect the Potus and it is based on the popular vote of each state. This too is democracy and it always has been democratic in its nature.

While the Electors of the Electoral College may vote their conscience, this was never designed or intended to be the rule. Neither was the Electoral College conceived or intended to be a deliberative body. It was, rather, designed to reflect and to express the popular will of the voters of each state. The state being the basic unit of government of the United States. Always.

 

[Master PO]

You know nothing. In fact, you know more about nothing than any other who claims to know and understand the United States.

still you have produced nothing from madsion himself, as you claim he created a liberal democracy.

please post words from Madison himself whom you tied your cart to that statement.



Madison in federalist #10 -The other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter.


Madison makes the point america is a republican form of government and not democratic form.



Madison in federalist #40- The Federalist No. 40

On the Powers of the Convention to Form a Mixed Government Examined and Sustained

New York Packet
Friday, January 18, 1788
[James Madison]

To the People of the State of New York:

THE second point to be examined is, whether the convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.

Madison states the constitution creates a mixed government, mixed government is not a democracy.

you need to read the founders instead of people whom you post things which are not true.

 

[Tangmo]

still you have produced nothing from madsion himself, as you claim he created a liberal democracy.

please post words from Madison himself whom you tied your cart to that statement.



Madison in federalist #10 -The other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter.


Madison makes the point america is a republican form of government and not democratic form.



Madison in federalist #40- The Federalist No. 40

On the Powers of the Convention to Form a Mixed Government Examined and Sustained

New York Packet
Friday, January 18, 1788
[James Madison]

To the People of the State of New York:

THE second point to be examined is, whether the convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.

Madison states the constitution creates a mixed government, mixed government is not a democracy.

you need to read the founders instead of people whom you post things which are not true.

I read the Founders long ago thx so kindly dispense with the endless repetition, lecturing, scolding. The bottom line here is that you have a doctrine and you are fixed in it and set. True or not does not matter to you. Only what you know matters because it is fixed, unchanging, certain....To and for you.

So I present a fact: in the United States the state is the basic unit of government. The states and Madison endeavored jointly and successfully to create and enshrine liberal democracy into the Constitution. The liberal democracy of the Enlightenment that most of the states had already written into their individual constitution. We know them best and most handily as the Bill of Rights.

That's fact and it is entirely alien to your "Anti-Democracy Advocate" dogmas of zero scope and a minus-zero depth in the matters of democracy and democratic government and society. You are therefore invited to expand your knowledge and its baseline.

 

[Master PO]

I read the Founders long ago thx so kindly dispense with the endless repetition, lecturing, scolding. The bottom line here is that you have a doctrine and you are fixed in it and set. True or not does not matter to you. Only what you know matters because it is fixed, unchanging, certain....To and for you.

So I present a fact: in the United States the state is the basic unit of government. The states and Madison endeavored jointly and successfully to create and enshrine liberal democracy into the Constitution. The liberal democracy of the Enlightenment that most of the states had already written into their individual constitution. We know them best and most handily as the Bill of Rights.

That's fact and it is entirely alien to your "Anti-Democracy Advocate" dogmas of zero scope and a minus-zero depth in the matters of democracy and democratic government and society. You are therefore invited to expand your knowledge and its baseline.

well again you post nothing from Madison and the reason is you cannot, its not possible, because the founders do not say America is a democracy

 

[devildavid]

Madison is federalist 10 states America will have a republican form of government, democracy is democrat form of government.

in American government of the founders, the senate is a non democratic vote and so is the vote for president.

the people as a whole cannot vote, only those who own property and pay taxes.

america was created a mixed government on the roman model and rome was not a democracy

Rome was a democratic republic. Voting is a democratic exercise, no matter who is allowed to vote or not. As more are allowed to vote, democracy increases. That is the reality of our country today, no matter how it started. We were only partially based on the roman model. We also at times vote directly on laws within states. So we are not a republic based purely on Rome. We are an enlightened form of republic open to change and increased democratic participation. Things change and evolve. We are not locked into the views of the founders.

 

[Master PO]

Rome was a democratic republic. Voting is a democratic exercise, no matter who is allowed to vote or not. As more are allowed to vote, democracy increases. That is the reality of our country today, no matter how it started. We were only partially based on the roman model. We also at times vote directly on laws within states. So we are not a republic based purely on Rome. We are an enlightened form of republic open to change and increased democratic participation. Things change and evolve. We are not locked into the views of the founders.

:doh, rome was a mixed government and so was the government the founders created

in the constitution of the founders, the senate is not elected by the people and the president is not elected by the people, they are a non democratic vote, added to the fact that only land owners and people who paid taxes could vote.


The Federalist No. 40

On the Powers of the Convention to Form a Mixed Government Examined and Sustained

New York Packet
Friday, January 18, 1788
[James Madison]

To the People of the State of New York:

THE second point to be examined is, whether the convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.

 

[devildavid]

:doh, rome was a mixed government and so was the government the founders created

in the constitution of the founders, the senate is not elected by the people and the president is not elected by the people, they are a non democratic vote, added to the fact that only land owners and people who paid taxes could vote.


The Federalist No. 40

On the Powers of the Convention to Form a Mixed Government Examined and Sustained

New York Packet
Friday, January 18, 1788
[James Madison]

To the People of the State of New York:

THE second point to be examined is, whether the convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.

This mixed government includes democratic means (voting) to choose representatives. Democracy is part of the mix, as is republicanism. The term mixed government does not make voting non-democratic. England has a mixed government. Many governments are mixed. It is a generic term that does not describe the elements of the government. Democracy is a very real element of our government. Any government that includes voting includes democracy.

 

[Master PO]

This mixed government includes democratic means (voting) to choose representatives. Democracy is part of the mix, as is republicanism. The term mixed government does not make voting non-democratic. England has a mixed government. Many governments are mixed. It is a generic term that does not describe the elements of the government. Democracy is a very real element of our government. Any government that includes voting includes democracy.

mixed government is not a democratic form of government, but it has a element of democracy in it.

in mixed government the collective capacity of the people is barred from making law, because they do not hold all the power, but only a part of the power.

governments in which there is a will of the people is a unstable form of government