Trump crisis mismanagement

[Ikari]

By that same logic, Donald Trump did the right thing. They still don't have nuclear weapons after all, and they have one dead experienced general, and far less money.

Well we certainly shall see, if we get into it with Iran I think that price tag is going to be rather hefty.

 

[Jean-s]

Only a liberal could be dumb enough to fall for that argument. There is no crisis. We took out the worlds leading terrorist and Iran could do nothing about it or put up a credible response. Thats whats called a win for America. In fact, it was such a decisive victory for our side that we should find #2 and take him out as well.

You are misinformed; Qassem Soleimani was not the world's "leading terrorist". Someone gave you wrong information. Major General Soleimani was an important Iranian military leader in his capacity as head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and, from 1998 until his murder, commander of its Quds Force, a division primarily responsible for extraterritorial military and clandestine operations. This required him to coordinate Shi'ite militias such as Hezbollah and groups favored by Iran referred to as proxy forces across north Africa from west to east and from northern Syria to the Persian Gulf, primarily fighting terrorists in Al Qaeda and ISIS, being the first outsider to aid the Kurds and keeping ISIS from gaining a foothold in Iran. For this role he was designated a terrorist by the USA in 2007.
Designation of Iranian Entities and Individuals for Proliferation Activities and Support for Terrorism
One government's terrorist in another's freedom fighter. The murder of Soleimani is both illegal under international law and provocative since he was an effective coordinator of resistance to ISIS and an important miitary leader of a United Nations member state with which the USA is not at war.

 

[Moonglow]

Man, that's an ignorant post.

One evidently you can't answer.

 

[Moonglow]

By that same logic, Donald Trump did the right thing. They still don't have nuclear weapons after all, and they have one dead experienced general, and far less money.

There are others ready to take his place it never stops and money is something that can be abandoned and barter can ensue.

 

[Moonglow]

You and your party started the crisis.

Amelia sure gets around, eh?

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Yea they should just do the easy thing and throw large sums of money at the terrorists while giving them a window to develop nukes. That way maybe they'll like us.

You people keep spouting the same stupid lie. If you had any shame, you would be embarrassed making complete asses out of yourself spoutilng the same dumb, debunked lies over and over. No, telling someone to drop a bomb from many miles away is the easy thing to do. Many countries worked for a long time for the Iran deal, much harder than just killing. And it was working, until POS Trump ruined it. I know, its hard for neanderthals to comprehend.

 

[Fletch]

If Iran invaded Washington DC you’d call that a win for America.

They havent and I wouldnt. Now see if you can actually respond to what I wrote.

 

[tres borrachos]

If Iran invaded Washington DC you’d call that a win for America.

I remember when we took out Osama Bin Laden, who was actually the world's leading terrorist, and Fletch excitedly referred to that as a win for America. He was so respectful of Obama after that.

 

[Fletch]

You are misinformed; Qassem Soleimani was not the world's "leading terrorist". Someone gave you wrong information. Major General Soleimani was an important Iranian military leader in his capacity as head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and, from 1998 until his murder, commander of its Quds Force, a division primarily responsible for extraterritorial military and clandestine operations. This required him to coordinate Shi'ite militias such as Hezbollah and groups favored by Iran referred to as proxy forces across north Africa from west to east and from northern Syria to the Persian Gulf, primarily fighting terrorists in Al Qaeda and ISIS, being the first outsider to aid the Kurds and keeping ISIS from gaining a foothold in Iran. For this role he was designated a terrorist by the USA in 2007.
Designation of Iranian Entities and Individuals for Proliferation Activities and Support for Terrorism
One government's terrorist in another's freedom fighter. The murder of Soleimani is both illegal under international law and provocative since he was an effective coordinator of resistance to ISIS and an important miitary leader of a United Nations member state with which the USA is not at war.

Right. And Solimani was on his way to the Baghdad orphanage to hand out candy and gifts to impoverished children when the Orange Demon took him out. Good to see that America hating Iranian terrorists have allies among the America hating socialist left.

 

[Fletch]

I remember when we took out Osama Bin Laden, who was actually the world's leading terrorist, and Fletch excitedly referred to that as a win for America. He was so respectful of Obama after that.

Rather than make things up, pull that quote of mine.

 

[Jean-s]

Right. And Solimani was on his way to the Baghdad orphanage to hand out candy and gifts to impoverished children when the Orange Demon took him out. Good to see that America hating Iranian terrorists have allies among the America hating socialist left.

I am guessing you get your information from American politicians which is where the American media get their information as well as from hate speech radio and Fox News celebrities.

 

[Fletch]

I am guessing you get your information from American politicians which is where the American media get their information as well as from hate speech radio and Fox News celebrities.

What did I get wrong?

 

[trixare4kids]

Sounds like he's hoping for the worst so he can write another #orangemanbad op-ed....

Aaron David Miller
@aarondmiller2
We’ve now seen Part 1 of Iran’s potential retaliatory capacity against US military assets — ballistic missile launches; Part 2 action against naval assets in Gulf; Part 3 proxy attacks.

Aaron David Miller on Twitter: "We’ve now seen Part 1 of Iran’s potential retaliatory capacity against US military assets — ballistic missile launches; Part 2 action against naval assets in Gulf; Part 3 proxy attacks."

 

[Risky Thicket]

This:

Trump crisis mismanagement on full display with roll of dice on Iran, Iraq and Suleimani

The title says plenty.

And the article is an insightful read if you are so inclined.



Trump has spent the past three years creating crises and then hamhandedly "solving" them. He arguably created the crisis we're now in, starting with his ODS-driven dismantling of the Iran nuclear agreement and culminating with his retributive assassination of Soleimani absent of any apparent imminent threat followed by threats to commit war crimes against the people of Iran. You may take the other side of the argument, but however the current fraught situation came to be -- whether his direct fault or not -- he and his administration are showing they still aren't ready for prime time.

As a malignant narcissist, Trump's attack was all about Trump. Trump doesn't care about the lives of other people no matter what country or color. Trump thrives in chaos because it makes him feel in control. Only Trump can fix it. The infantile ego of a seriously ill president must be fed above all things - all things. And in the case of assassinating Soleimani, Trump got a twofer: He deflected the impeachment news away from his base and he got an ego boost to counter his ever present feelings of inadequacy.

“Which prospect is likely more frightening to Donald Trump — revealing his tax returns or starting a nuclear war?” ~ Chauncey DeVaga

 

[Jean-s]

What did I get wrong?

Everything.

 

[Amelia]

Well before we had an international treaty wherein they would limit enrichment, now they've pulled out all the stops and are going to start uranium enrichment without limitations. So if you wanted Iran to develop a nuke, Trump certainly has paved the way.

Yeah, even if Iran was still planning to eventually become a nuclear power, what the agreement provided was ten years for them to become integrated into the international community in a way which would give them much too lose if they did anything too radical.

Instead, Trump actively pushed Iran into a "nothing to lose" situation, and threatened our allies if they didn't help push Iran to desperation, and gave Iran incentive to go nuclear sooner rather than later, without the benefit of strong international ties to keep them from going too far.

Trump is THE biggest threat to global security. He is a clear and present danger.


Which brings up the question of what if the rest of the countries of the world decide that he needs to be removed for the safety of the planet? By Trump's standards, it would be appropriate for them to assassinate him, and they would have the right to send missiles to America to get the job done.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Yea they should just do the easy thing and throw large sums of money at the terrorists while giving them a window to develop nukes. That way maybe they'll like us.

I always enjoy this line of argument.

A: Person X did something stupid.
B: That's okay. It wasn't as stupid as what I can imagine.​

& it's kissing cousin

It reminds me of the story about the guy who found a hornets' nest at the picnic.
It was a threat to his family.
So, he went at it with a baseball bat.
What was he gonna do? Just let a threat to his family go?​

Even though it's really, really, really, rare for there to be more than two possible actions for someone to take, sometimes there are more than two options available in situations.
In these outlying corner cases, this sort of reasoning don't make no sense.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Yeah, even if Iran was still planning to eventually become a nuclear power, what the agreement provided was ten years for them to become integrated into the international community in a way which would give them much too lose if they did anything too radical.

Instead, Trump actively pushed Iran into a "nothing to lose" situation, and threatened our allies if they didn't help push Iran to desperation, and gave Iran incentive to go nuclear sooner rather than later, without the benefit of strong international ties to keep them from going too far.

Trump is THE biggest threat to global security. He is a clear and present danger.


Which brings up the question of what if the rest of the countries of the world decide that he needs to be removed for the safety of the planet? By Trump's standards, it would be appropriate for them to assassinate him, and they would have the right to send missiles to America to get the job done.

LOL............classic clown show talk.

Obama bargained with a terrorist regime that was killing Americans while all the liberals cheered!

It wasn't a deal at all. Obama bent over and took what ever they gave him.

 

[WCH]

Cool story. Coming from a Trump supporter, I'll give your prediction all that it's worth.

Too bad your crush said 9 years ago that this is exactly what a President does to secure his re-election. The smart people know what he said. And we remind others of what he said.

Trump wasn't a politician back then but, probably about the time you started becoming a Leftist online troll. I'd say your transformation is damn near complete by the way you side with them so consistently.

 

[WCH]

Well before we had an international treaty wherein they would limit enrichment, now they've pulled out all the stops and are going to start uranium enrichment without limitations. So if you wanted Iran to develop a nuke, Trump certainly has paved the way.

All it did was slow down the process. It was never meant to stop them from development or buying nukes from another source.

 

[Amelia]

All it did was slow down the process. It was never meant to stop them from development or buying nukes from another source.

Slowing down the process by a considerable amount, while helping Iran find a more constructive place in the community of nations. Getting them vested in the western status quo.

As opposed to keeping them on the outside and breaking them in a way that there's no face-saving way out of.

The difference is night and day. They were coming into the light of day. Trump shoved them back into the night.

 

[WCH]

I always enjoy this line of argument.

A: Person X did something stupid.
B: That's okay. It wasn't as stupid as what I can imagine.​

& it's kissing cousin

It reminds me of the story about the guy who found a hornets' nest at the picnic.
It was a threat to his family.
So, he went at it with a baseball bat.
What was he gonna do? Just let a threat to his family go?​

Even though it's really, really, really, rare for there to be more than two possible actions for someone to take, sometimes there are more than two options available in situations.
In these outlying corner cases, this sort of reasoning don't make no sense.

Guess what? That suggestion has already been tried and led to what we have now....Iranian influence all across the ME.

Appeasement with reward never works.

 

[WCH]

Slowing down the process by a considerable amount, while helping Iran find a more constructive place in the community of nations. Getting them vested in the western status quo.

As opposed to keeping them on the outside and breaking them in a way that there's no face-saving way out of.

The difference is night and day. They were coming into the light of day. Trump shoved them back into the night.

They are involved in proxy wars across the ME, threatening and killing us and our allies.

Coming out of the darkness my ass.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Who doesn't know this stuff about Donald Trump? He's been doing it since the 1980s.

 

[WCH]

One evidently you can't answer.

Neither can anyone else. That's why it's so ignorant.