Trump could have helped response to Jan. 6 riot — but didn’t — per new testimony

[Plasmaball]

Not a word about Trump's supposed failure to deploy the NG. Instead, repeat the lie claiming the Bad Orange Man commands an army of "insurrectionusts". Never mind nobody has been charged with insurrection in connection with January 6th. Or, the Senate impeachment trial on the charge of insurrection ended in acquittal. Orange Man Bad evidence doesn't matter.

I mean sedition was amd that works.
Those people are seditious assholes.

 

[AZRWinger]

Capitol grounds....NOT in the Capitol building.

BTW...why would we take anything seriously from an Zonie rightwinger these days?

Ah yes, the refuge of Democrat talking points parrots, attack the person pointing out the facts. The article was linked in rebuttal to a claim made in another comment.

Capitol Police Said That Unrest Was "Highly Improbable" Ahead Of The Insurrection

BuzzFeed News has exclusively obtained the permits Capitol Police issued for protests on Capitol grounds for Jan. 6 — a rare window into a secretive organization and its most consequential day.

www.buzzfeednews.com

Don't tell me object to Buzzfeed as a source. They published the entire Steele dossier without any attempt at verification.

 

[AZRWinger]

When will it be rebuilt? Have a name for the church? Pics of it burned?

I am not your Internet valet. Look it up.

 

[j brown's body]

This probably didn't help:

Trump Tweeted Attack on Pence Minutes After Hearing VP Was Fleeing Rioters

Donald Trump was told "they just took the vice president out" by Sen. Tommy Tuberville shortly before the then-president posted about Mike Pence.

www.newsweek.com

 

[AZRWinger]

This is why January 6th happened. People actually believe this garbage

So, the inspector general’s report is "garbage." Brilliant.

 

[j brown's body]

Ah yes, the refuge of Democrat talking points parrots, attack the person pointing out the facts. The article was linked in rebuttal to a claim made in another comment.

Capitol Police Said That Unrest Was "Highly Improbable" Ahead Of The Insurrection

BuzzFeed News has exclusively obtained the permits Capitol Police issued for protests on Capitol grounds for Jan. 6 — a rare window into a secretive organization and its most consequential day.

www.buzzfeednews.com

Don't tell me object to Buzzfeed as a source. They published the entire Steele dossier without any attempt at verification.

They didn't know Trump would send supporters he knew were armed to the Capitol.

 

[AZRWinger]

I mean sedition was amd that works.
Those people are seditious assholes.

Classic KGB show me the man, I'll show you the crime. All anyone needs to know is Orange Man Bad.

 

[Michael Cole]

Trump in uniform during his personal Vietnam:

I have an ex-wife who used to pose like that. She was much prettier and shaved her legs, though.

 

[AZRWinger]

They didn't know Trump would send supporters he knew were armed to the Capitol.

Again, Trump's speech called for legal protests against a stolen election. What part do you not understand?

During the summer of 2020 DC had seen massive violent riots including Leftist thugs nearly succeeding in storming the WH. Their rage was directed at the featured speaker at the stop the steal rally. Naturally Bad Orange Man zealots engage in pearl clutching at the prospect of the rally goers equipping themselves for self defense.

When she was murdered by the Capitol police Ashley Babbit had a utility knife with a 3 inch blade in her pocket. It's not unusual for people to carry small knives for convience. But Democrats hysterically bray about so-called armed protesters.

 

[TomFitz]

I am not your Internet valet. Look it up.

Since it didn’t happen, the internet will be no help.

 

[TomFitz]

Ah yes, the refuge of Democrat talking points parrots, attack the person pointing out the facts. The article was linked in rebuttal to a claim made in another comment.

Capitol Police Said That Unrest Was "Highly Improbable" Ahead Of The Insurrection

BuzzFeed News has exclusively obtained the permits Capitol Police issued for protests on Capitol grounds for Jan. 6 — a rare window into a secretive organization and its most consequential day.

www.buzzfeednews.com

Don't tell me object to Buzzfeed as a source. They published the entire Steele dossier without any attempt at verification.

So what? The documents were news in themselves. And, a lot of it was true (aas the FBI was well aware by the time the documents became public.

 

[TomFitz]

Classic KGB show me the man, I'll show you the crime. All anyone needs to know is Orange Man Bad.

Classic Trump cult victimhood!

 

[PoliSciPulse]

"Donald Trump could have cleared up confusion and hastened the arrival of National Guard troops to quell the Capitol riot if he’d called Pentagon leaders on Jan. 6, 2021, according to recent closed-door congressional testimony by two former leaders of the D.C. guard. Michael Brooks, the senior enlisted leader of the D.C. guard at the time of the riot, and Brigadier Gen. Aaron Dean, the adjutant general of the D.C. guard at the time, told House Administration Committee staffers that if Trump had reached out that day — which, by all accounts, he did not — he might have helped cut through the chaos amid a tangle of conflicting advice and miscommunication.

“Could the president have picked up the phone, called the secretary of defense, and said, you know, ‘What’s going on here?’ Our law enforcement is getting overrun, make this happen!’” a committee staffer asked Brooks, according to the transcript of a previously unreported March 14 interview reviewed by POLITICO.
“I assume he could expedite an approval through the Secretary of Defense, through the Secretary of the Army,” Brooks replied.

But Trump never called any military leaders on Jan. 6, per testimony from senior administration officials to the Jan. 6 select committee — a fact that the panel emphasized in its final report that concluded Trump was uniquely responsible for the violent Capitol attack by his supporters. Rather, he was observing the riot on TV and calling allies in his quest to subvert the 2020 election, as outlined by committee witnesses and White House records."

Link

Trump didn't need to call on the Guard. He could have called on his supporters to stop their violent invasion of the Capitol. Instead, he egged them in with a tweet about how Pence had betrayed them.

And people want to let this maniac back into the White House? Wow.

I'm not making this particular argument myself, but you know the Trump-loving crowd is going to say that we have his White House phone log and not his personal cell phone log. What is your response to that?

 

[exoplanet]

Ah yes, the refuge of Democrat talking points parrots, attack the person pointing out the facts. The article was linked in rebuttal to a claim made in another comment.

Capitol Police Said That Unrest Was "Highly Improbable" Ahead Of The Insurrection

BuzzFeed News has exclusively obtained the permits Capitol Police issued for protests on Capitol grounds for Jan. 6 — a rare window into a secretive organization and its most consequential day.

www.buzzfeednews.com

Don't tell me object to Buzzfeed as a source. They published the entire Steele dossier without any attempt at verification.

I read the article and it explains exactly why the deception from "Stop the Steal" organizers helped create a situation where the Capitol police were unprepared for the onslaught of protestors from another rally that it was supposedly unaffiliated with. I don't remember anyone ever saying that someone didn't have a permit to protest near the Capitol, the point is that they didn't expect the tens of thousands streaming in from the supposedly unrelated rally that Trump was at.

 

[pamak]

So, the inspector general’s report is "garbage." Brilliant.

According to the memo issues by Colonel Earl G. Matthews, U.S. Army serving in the DC National Guard the report is indeed "garbage"

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017d-8aca-dee4-a5ff-eeda79e90000

Although written in the third person, the recollections expressed are those of Major General (Retired) William J. Walker, U.S. Army, who served as Commanding General of the District of Columbia National Guard on the date in question, and Colonel Earl G. Matthews, U.S. Army, who then served as his Staff Judge Advocate.
....
In the best interpretation of events for the DOD (and the Inspector General examined the DOD actions and not the actions of the president), the problem was that the CIC was absent and as a result the DOD lost precious time before actually making the decision to employ its resources (which included the DC National Guard).

One example from the PERSONAL RECOLLECTION of the DC National Guard officers who wrote the above memorandum

page 4

Chief Contee asked Chief Sund aloud if he was requesting immediate D.C. National Guard support at the Capitol. Chief Sund replied “Yes”. Chief Contee then asked LTG Piatt if the D.C. Guard would be sent to the Capitol. LTG Piatt stated that it would not be his best military advice to recommend to the Secretary of the Army that the D.C. National Guard be allowed to deploy to the Capitol at that time. LTG Piatt stated that the presence of uniformed military personnel could inflame the situation and that the police were best suited to handle the situation. Both LTGs Piatt and Flynn stated that the optics of having uniformed military personnel deployed to the U.S. Capitol would not be good.

The idea that people hesitated to send army personnel to the Capitol because of optics may explain the hesitation of ARMY OFFICERS to make such decision but it does not hold water when we are talking about the president. Besides the fact that Trump never cared about how his actions would be interpreted by his political rivals, Trump could have easily contacted his VP, or the House and Senate leaders who were in the Capitol and get within minutes recorded confirmation of their agreement with his decision (sending troops to the Capitol). But of course, he chose to hide and delegate responsibility to his subordinates who ( in the best case scenario for them) hesitated to make decisions that could potentially displease their CIC.

 

[Plasmaball]

So, the inspector general’s report is "garbage." Brilliant.

Last part.

 

[Plasmaball]

Classic KGB show me the man, I'll show you the crime. All anyone needs to know is Orange Man Bad.

This is dumb. People are in jail for sedition.

 

[TomFitz]

I read the article and it explains exactly why the deception from "Stop the Steal" organizers helped create a situation where the Capitol police were unprepared for the onslaught of protestors from another rally that it was supposedly unaffiliated with. I don't remember anyone ever saying that someone didn't have a permit to protest near the Capitol, the point is that they didn't expect the tens of thousands streaming in from the supposedly unrelated rally that Trump was at.

The degree of advanced planning was obvious, even as it was happening.

The white supremicist action squads were already deploying their assault, even before Trump uttered the infamous “walk down to the Capitol” line.

 

[exoplanet]

The degree of advanced planning was obvious, even as it was happening.

The white supremicist action squads were already deploying their assault, even before Trump uttered the infamous “walk down to the Capitol” line.

It certainly seems plausible that Trump's secretive treatment of the march was related to the fake organization names and false information given in the permits. It fit hand in glove for maximum chaos and disruption.

 

[AZRWinger]

I read the article and it explains exactly why the deception from "Stop the Steal" organizers helped create a situation where the Capitol police were unprepared for the onslaught of protestors from another rally that it was supposedly unaffiliated with. I don't remember anyone ever saying that someone didn't have a permit to protest near the Capitol, the point is that they didn't expect the tens of thousands streaming in from the supposedly unrelated rally that Trump was at.

The point is the Capitol police approved permits for the rallies. The Capitol police declared the likelihood of violence was minimal. It wasn't a surprise a group of people were in the area.

The accusation has been that rally goers targeted the Capitol. They set off from the Elipse to a permitted rally on the Capitol grounds. By this time the barriers to the Capitol had been breached so they streamed to the Capitol where they were fired upon with explosive gas rounds and thrown from the balcony.

People are free to move from one rally to the next even those who support the Bad Orange Man.

 

[AZRWinger]

This is dumb. People are in jail for sedition.

What's dumb is the pretense insurrection and sedition are the same thing.

 

[dcsports]

The point is the Capitol police approved permits for the rallies. The Capitol police declared the likelihood of violence was minimal. It wasn't a surprise a group of people were in the area.

The accusation has been that rally goers targeted the Capitol. They set off from the Elipse to a permitted rally on the Capitol grounds. By this time the barriers to the Capitol had been breached so they streamed to the Capitol where they were fired upon with explosive gas rounds and thrown from the balcony.

People are free to move from one rally to the next even those who support the Bad Orange Man.

This simply isn't accurate. The Capitol Police were very concerned about the large crowds in the area and the potential for violence, given the charged atmosphere. There were many warnings, and joint meetings in the days leading up to Jan 6. The Capitol Chief of Police even requested to have the national guard on standby, but was turned down by his bosses.

 

[AZRWinger]

This simply isn't accurate. The Capitol Police were very concerned about the large crowds in the area and the potential for violence, given the charged atmosphere. There were many warnings, and joint meetings in the days leading up to Jan 6. The Capitol Chief of Police even requested to have the national guard on standby, but was turned down by his bosses.

Sigh, read the linked Buzzfeed article. The Capitol police approved the rally permits based on their assessment violence was unlikely.

The bicycle rack style barriers were easily breeched. They had been moved out of the way while Trump was still speaking at the Elipse. The choice of using these barriers indicates they weren't expecting trouble.

 

[dcsports]

Sigh, read the linked Buzzfeed article. The Capitol police approved the rally permits based on their assessment violence was unlikely.

The bicycle rack style barriers were easily breeched. They had been moved out of the way while Trump was still speaking at the Elipse. The choice of using these barriers indicates they weren't expecting trouble.

lol. "Sigh". Seriously? You are citing Buzzfeed?

This source actually doesn't match your statement at all. There's also been more than a little bit of discussion about that day. Clearly, everyone expected large crowds that day, and the potential for a problem if violence did break out. Including - as I noted - the Chief of the Capitol Police - who requested national guard back up. The Capitol Police Board turned him down, putting 'optics' ahead of security.

In a statement to BuzzFeed News, a spokesperson defended the actions of the Capitol Police: “Denying someone a permit based only on a belief that the group is a ‘proxy’ for another group would be an unlawful prior restraint.

“Before January 6, the Capitol Police knew the Congress and the Capitol Grounds were to be the focus of a large demonstration attracting various groups, including some encouraging violence,” the statement continued. “Based on this information, the Department enhanced its security posture and tried to get support from the National Guard. What the intelligence didn’t reveal, was the large-scale demonstration would become a large-scale attack on the Capitol Building, as there was no specific, credible intelligence about such an attack.”

 

[exoplanet]

The point is the Capitol police approved permits for the rallies. The Capitol police declared the likelihood of violence was minimal. It wasn't a surprise a group of people were in the area.

You posted your link when someone claimed that Trump kept his plan to march secret. The fact that somebody pretending to be unaffiliated with Stop the Steal and their Ellipse rally filled out some permits for tiny supposedly unrelated rallies doesn't affect that in the slightest. HOW MANY people showed up when Trump finally told them to go the Capitol was a surprise and that's why security response was not appropriate.

I don't know how you can dance around the security risks of a few hundred versus thousands and pretend not to notice the difference.

The accusation has been that rally goers targeted the Capitol. They set off from the Elipse to a permitted rally on the Capitol grounds. By this time the barriers to the Capitol had been breached so they streamed to the Capitol where they were fired upon with explosive gas rounds and thrown from the balcony.

Ok, so because a security barrier had been breached and they threw tear gas at them, they spontaneously decided to break down doors and windows and storm the Capitol Building? How in the world does that even make sense to you?