Trump celebrates harsh conditions for detainees on visit to ‘Alligator Alcatraz’

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Do we know for sure if there is even any truth to this story?

Mark

The amoral cosmetic surgery addict part? Definitely.

 

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How did Hitler get his loyal followers to commit, or accept, such heinous crimes against humanity?

Same way Fox made MAGA.

 

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If Trump knows he can't do that, why did he sign this executive order on day one, requiring additional resources to effect it? If Trump knows he can't do that, why did he have his Attorney General distribute this memo, outlining how certain citizens can be denaturalized?

You want to be notified when this crazy idea becomes a reality? Consider this, notification. Trump did this in his first term. So have other presidents. The difference now is Trump is expanding the criteria to denaturalize even more citizens. Even worse, he's trying to make it so that even some natural born citizens can be deported.

How would that work? Stuff em back in their momma?

 

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E

So you're worried he's going to make his loyal followers do what Hitler's loyal followers did to millions of Jews and Poles? What is your real concern short of an impossible fear of Hitlerism in this country?

Establishment of the authoritarian state that our billionaires will require to continue to compete as capitalism reaches end stages.

Authoritarianism is on the rise globally.

Because no democracy will tolerate the deprivation that will be necessary to determine the winner of the “who can be the richest most powerful person in the world”.

The game that has been ****ing us as a species for millennia.

 

[jaypatriot]

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Establishment of the authoritarian state that our billionaires will require to continue to compete as capitalism reaches end stages.

Authoritarianism is on the rise globally.

Because no democracy will tolerate the deprivation that will be necessary to determine the winner of the “who can be the richest most powerful person in the world”.

The game that has been ****ing us as a species for millennia.

Is wealth envy the predominant force making anti-Trumpers consistently cite billionaires as the bane of all evil?
There will always be billionaires trying to be wealthier billionaires.

And how does the Opposition choose to prevent such deprivation?
By electing a nutcase Socialist Mamdani of NYC to tax billionaires in NYC?

And for millennia the wealthiest have been working at making themselves even wealthier. Is that hard for you to accept that reality?
Are you going to change civilization in this millennia?

 

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Is wealth envy the predominant force making anti-Trumpers consistently cite billionaires as the bane of all evil?
There will always be billionaires trying to be wealthier billionaires.

And how does the Opposition choose to prevent such deprivation?
By electing a nutcase Socialist Mamdani of NYC to tax billionaires in NYC?

And for millennia the wealthiest have been working at making themselves even wealthier. Is that hard for you to accept that reality?
Are you going to change civilization in this millennia?

Nah.

Just a casual examination of the history of the rise of authoritarian regimes and what drive them.

Sounds to me like you’re all in for them doing as they damn well please.

Which history also demonstrates never works out well for everybody else.

 

[devildavid]

He brainwashed them. The soldiers were indoctrinated well before Poland was invaded in 1939.
No doubt you asked that question because you believe Trump has the capacity or intent to do the same. Why else would you ask that question?

You, no doubt, believe Trump might do something like that within less than three years. If so, you are sadly mistaken. And, no, he will not be president beyond 2029.

He didn’t brainwash them. They fell for his demagoguery just as Trump’s followers fell for his. It was a cult of personality just as Trump’s is today. There is no such thing as brainwashing. There are demagogues who create narratives to create loyal followers based on the fears, anxieties, and built in prejudices of their followers. They play upon them to manipulate them and win their unquestioned loyalty.

 

[devildavid]

Is wealth envy the predominant force making anti-Trumpers consistently cite billionaires as the bane of all evil?
There will always be billionaires trying to be wealthier billionaires.

And how does the Opposition choose to prevent such deprivation?
By electing a nutcase Socialist Mamdani of NYC to tax billionaires in NYC?

And for millennia the wealthiest have been working at making themselves even wealthier. Is that hard for you to accept that reality?
Are you going to change civilization in this millennia?

It has nothing to do with wealth envy. This is the line that is always used by authoritarians to justify the rich ruling over the poor.

 

[jaypatriot]

It has nothing to do with wealth envy. This is the line that is always used by authoritarians to justify the rich ruling over the poor.

If it isn't wealth envy, then why do Progressive/Liberals bring up Trump's new law as favoring the billionaires. Billionaires will always make more money.
Why should that bother you? You have opportunities to make money also.
I don't care how much billionaires make. I care about having enough money for a comfortable retirement.

 

[jaypatriot]

He didn’t brainwash them. They fell for his demagoguery just as Trump’s followers fell for his. It was a cult of personality just as Trump’s is today. There is no such thing as brainwashing. There are demagogues who create narratives to create loyal followers based on the fears, anxieties, and built in prejudices of their followers. They play upon them to manipulate them and win their unquestioned loyalty.

And you fear he has enough time to become a modern-day Hitler with all of the trappings of an authoritarian demagogue. And when he leaves the political scene in 2029 will you be happy or disappointed because you were wrong?

 

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Is wealth envy the predominant force making anti-Trumpers consistently cite billionaires as the bane of all evil?
There will always be billionaires trying to be wealthier billionaires.

And how does the Opposition choose to prevent such deprivation?
By electing a nutcase Socialist Mamdani of NYC to tax billionaires in NYC?

And for millennia the wealthiest have been working at making themselves even wealthier. Is that hard for you to accept that reality?
Are you going to change civilization in this millennia?

You are aware that I can be critical of the activities of the donor class without envying them, right? I’ve never had any problem getting anything I wanted.

The “envy” bit is just deflection. I only have a problem when their never ending quest for MOAR starts looking in my pockets for it. Reducing my quality of life to feed their addiction. Causing suffering for others.

 

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If it isn't wealth envy, then why do Progressive/Liberals bring up Trump's new law as favoring the billionaires. Billionaires will always make more money.
Why should that bother you? You have opportunities to make money also.
I don't care how much billionaires make. I care about having enough money for a comfortable retirement.

Pretty sure they want your retirement money too.

They want ALL the money.

 

[Jezcoe]

This whole detaining a ton of people thing is going great.

The government has imprisoned children who are citizens for a couple of weeks.

This isn’t just a whoopsie doodle… this is a huge **** up.

https://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/politics-government/article310497985.html

Certainly these are not the worst of the worst.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

A country built on stolen land via slaves from another land.

Seems like children are still working as slave labor in California. I hope the government gets to the bottom of this and ends slave labor once and for all.

 

[jaypatriot]

You are aware that I can be critical of the activities of the donor class without envying them, right? I’ve never had any problem getting anything I wanted.

The “envy” bit is just deflection. I only have a problem when their never ending quest for MOAR starts looking in my pockets for it. Reducing my quality of life to feed their addiction. Causing suffering for others.

SO, are the so-called "billionaires" getting into your pocket an reducing your quality of life? I didn't know you were so acquainted with billionaires that keep you from getting anything you wanted.
And you're worried about others suffering.

Being worried (or envious) about billionaires having too much money is like worrying about the Sahara Desert having too much sand. Or the ocean having too much salt.
It is what it is.

 

[Atomic Kid]

"The president was chaperoned by Florida’s hard-right governor, Ron DeSantis, who hailed the tented camp on mosquito-infested land 50 miles west of Miami as an example for other states that supported Trump’s mass deportation agenda. “The snakes are fast, but alligators [are faster],” he said. “We’re going to teach them how to run away from an alligator. Don’t run in a straight line, look, like this, and you know what? Your chances go up about 1%. Not a good thing.”

At a press conference following the tour, Trump was equally dismissive of concerns about conditions in the Everglades, where the daily heat index in July regularly exceeds 100F (37.8C). ".“It might be as good as the real Alcatraz. A little controversial, but couldn’t care less,” he said.

The Everglades camp is opening as the number of deaths of those in Ice custody continues to climb. A 75-year-old Cuban man, who had been in the US for almost 60 years, died in Ice custody in Miami on 26 June, the 13th death in the agency’s facilities since October."

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This man is sick in the head.

What's not to celebrate? Trump officially has very own concentration camp.

 

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SO, are the so-called "billionaires" getting into your pocket an reducing your quality of life? I didn't know you were so acquainted with billionaires that keep you from getting anything you wanted.
And you're worried about others suffering.

Being worried (or envious) about billionaires having too much money is like worrying about the Sahara Desert having too much sand. Or the ocean having too much salt.
It is what it is.

Yes. Yea they are.

They brought us to heel with the Great Divergence.

A drastic shift out of the pockets of the many and into the hands of the few.

I grew up before the GD and entered the workforce as it was starting. Most of the families I knew were prospering on one income.

Not no more. Now it takes two to make do.

You cannot prove that it didn’t happen because it is evident in any economic data from the period you care to peruse.

Now they are buying up all the entry level homes with the stated intent of turning us all into renters for our entire lives.

And on and on and on.

I do ok. But I was born well equipped.

Many are not so lucky.

 

[markdc]

The amoral cosmetic surgery addict part? Definitely.

I just want to make sure.
This is the same woman who falsely claimed to have met with Kim Jong Un.

Mark

 

[devildavid]

If it isn't wealth envy, then why do Progressive/Liberals bring up Trump's new law as favoring the billionaires. Billionaires will always make more money.
Why should that bother you? You have opportunities to make money also.
I don't care how much billionaires make. I care about having enough money for a comfortable retirement.

It isn’t wealth envy at all. It is about the false belief that the rich are better just because they are rich and should be favored by the government with less taxes because whatever helps the rich helps everyone. It doesn’t work that way. Not everyone has an equal chance to become rich when the game is rigged in the favor of those already rich. And more and more that is what has happened. The rich have altered the playing field more and more in their favor.

 

[jaypatriot]

It isn’t wealth envy at all. It is about the false belief that the rich are better just because they are rich and should be favored by the government with less taxes because whatever helps the rich helps everyone. It doesn’t work that way. Not everyone has an equal chance to become rich when the game is rigged in the favor of those already rich. And more and more that is what has happened. The rich have altered the playing field more and more in their favor.

Why is it so difficult for Liberals to understand the very rich and billionaires will always benefit from tax cuts to everyone?
Why are so many Liberals obsessed about who is rich when they know there are more millionaires and billionaires than ever before? Does that mean the middle class are being prevented from making money in this economy?
Or is it simply because non-millionaires envious of those who have become millionaires through their investments and innovation which anyone has an opportunity to capitalize on?
Yeah, yeah, I know, the system is 'rigged' in favor of the rich.
Tell that to the millions of migrants from shithole country who would die for the chance to come to America and advantage of opportunities given to those who whine about the rich on every social website.

I'm not rich. I am not a millionaire. I am someone who worked hard; save money; and invested in the market to grow my wealth. Why is that not available to everyone who in this country who has an education and worked hard to watch his/her wealth grow?
"Rigged" in favor of the rich, my aching butt!
A lot of young people should grow a pair; get an education in something other than a Liberal arts agree; and get into a growing industry and grow their wealth.

 

[j brown's body]

Why is it so difficult for Liberals to understand the very rich and billionaires will always benefit from tax cuts to everyone?
Why are so many Liberals obsessed about who is rich when they know there are more millionaires and billionaires than ever before? Does that mean the middle class are being prevented from making money in this economy?
Or is it simply because non-millionaires envious of those who have become millionaires through their investments and innovation which anyone has an opportunity to capitalize on?
Yeah, yeah, I know, the system is 'rigged' in favor of the rich.
Tell that to the millions of migrants from shithole country who would die for the chance to come to America and advantage of opportunities given to those who whine about the rich on every social website.

I'm not rich. I am not a millionaire. I am someone who worked hard; save money; and invested in the market to grow my wealth. Why is that not available to everyone who in this country who has an education and worked hard to watch his/her wealth grow?
"Rigged" in favor of the rich, my aching butt!
A lot of young people should grow a pair; get an education in something other than a Liberal arts agree; and get into a growing industry and grow their wealth.

Even Aristotle recognized that a strong middle class was essential to democracy because a powerful rich would give us oligarchy, which used what we have now.

 

[jaypatriot]

Even Aristotle recognized that a strong middle class was essential to democracy because a powerful rich would give us oligarchy, which used what we have now.

So you believe oligarchs are running the country?
I would ask you for proof but you cannot name powerful people outside of government who are running the country.